Lots of bad news about vaping recently?!?

[Jman8]

We no longer want tobacco because we have realized it kills us. We find a different solution, one not involving their money, their control. Well, we see they starve out the different already. We're different, why ought we expect different?

In which case it returns to something I said in another thread. Even propaganda can kill. All these negative stories, vaping and otherwise have an effect. It is not pleasant at all. It makes me physically ill, horrified. But I'm allegedly the terrorist in this case, I think differently, I act differently, I solve problems differently. Different is scary to those who try to hold on to control they never truly had. They want to share one resource they know is not scarce, fear. Sorry, I no longer consent to being afraid. I'll go look up what facts you have on offer. None to offer? Well you'll call it on faith. We've seen how religion works too.

"Sure, let's have more bad news!"

Wow, and you were doing so well until this point. If it kills us, then this post must be from a person not living, eh?

By the standard of "smoking kills" it won't be too long, nor challenging, to espouse "vaping kills." Might not be dead now, but one day, you wait and see. You'll die (a vaper) and what shall the anti blame it on? Climate change?

Until people stop flying in planes all over the planet for the sake of traveling (and going nowhere fast), I take the whole climate change debate with a tiny grain of salt. Really, you need an Air Force One while claiming this is a top priority? Very laughable IMHO.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Every heard the old saying fear is knowledge? I think if we used common sense and did the reading ourselves instead of relaying on 2nd hand info by word of mouth I think we would be better off. I hate people telling me something bad but that don't have any knowledge on the topic. (Rant over) hope every has a great week!

 

[MyMagicMist]

Wow, and you were doing so well until this point. If it kills us, then this post must be from a person not living, eh?

By the standard of "smoking kills" it won't be too long, nor challenging, to espouse "vaping kills." Might not be dead now, but one day, you wait and see. You'll die (a vaper) and what shall the anti blame it on? Climate change?

Until people stop flying in planes all over the planet for the sake of traveling (and going nowhere fast), I take the whole climate change debate with a tiny grain of salt. Really, you need an Air Force One while claiming this is a top priority? Very laughable IMHO.

Kind of my point really though. Living too, kills.

Still it has been proved that tobacco hastens death for many. Vaping reduced the risks in using nicotine drastically. A lot of vapers no longer want tobacco because it has proved dangerous.

Sure, living itself kills. That's just life.

 

[crxess]

Kind of my point really though. Living too, kills.

Still it has been proved that tobacco hastens death for many. Vaping reduced the risks in using nicotine drastically. A lot of vapers no longer want tobacco because it has proved dangerous.

Sure, living itself kills. That's just life.

I hate to sound Bass-ackwards, but I actually feel the only real threat in Naturally grown - Non genetically Modified Tobacco was the Tars.
Everything Tobacco Companies have done to Tobacco has been to make it As Desirable As Possible at All cost.
Genetically alter for maximum Nicotine yield.
Add Chemicals.
Create a Must have Product without concern for health effect.

Is it the Tobacco, or the .......ization there of? For a few hundred years Pipe smokers lived long productive lives, enjoying their occasional relaxing Smoke. Then came BT and the gradual but continual changes which have lead us to today's product.

We can no longer enjoy one without the effects of the other. The manipulation by man - for Profit.

This is what demanded I find a solution.

Pipe smoking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, in light of our new Alternative, they are in a Panic over losing FUNDS.
Profits
Taxes
Jobs

But most of all a fear of losing control.

* Note - I do not believe Tobacco is Safe at this time as I know of no Genetically unaltered product.* It likely followed the Doo-Doo into extinction.

 

[DougO]

There is a report on the BBC News website, today and covered in a number of the national newspapers suggesting that the UK is almost at the verge of e-cigarettes being prescribed on the NHS. This follows the UK Medicines Regulator approving a brand of e-cigarette, the e-voke to be marketed as a smoking cessation aid. Of course, there are the dissenter's that are still suggesting that vaping is unsafe! What is very interesting, and personally very annoying is who the 'supplier' is going to be.... British American Tobacco!!!

 

[Mazinny]

Not to derail nor to create flames, rather as reference. Here is where I'm getting informed about Global Warming/climate change. It is only one source. There are more that read in a similar way. They disprove a hoax.

You may view the video or not. I am only a vessel relaying what is there. I likely garble it to explain it with any quality. He does not though.

Not sure I understand how putting truths together to abolish lies is not helpful. That's alright though. Excuse me, I will be vaping a bit until I need to go feed my critters.

I don't want to derail the thread and turn it into a global warming or peak oil thread, other than to note that imo it isn't helpful, and hurts our credibility by declaring the opinion of one physicist ( on a topic in which he is admittedly ignorant ) as " the truth " :

"I am not really terribly interested in global warming. Like most physicists I don't think much about it. But in 2008 I was in a panel here about global warming and I had to learn something about it. And I spent a day or so - half a day maybe on Google, and I was horrified by what I learned ".

The overwhelming majority of climate scientists who have actually studied the topic for years ( as opposed to googling it for a few hours ) and published their research, have a very different opinion than Professor Giaever, but even they won't go as far as calling their opinion, the " truth ".

Your paragraph on " peak oil " comes across as being lifted directly from a young earth creationist web-site. Nothing scientific about it and shows a clear lack of understanding as to the meaning of "peak oil " itself. Won't go into any more detail in this thread.

My point is that linking our legitimate concerns about the propaganda war against vaping, to what is generally considered pseudo-science could not be helpful to our cause, and will not shine a good light on us, if it were believed, that these types of opinions are common among pro-vaping advocates. I for one, will stop supporting advocacy groups who use these types of arguments.

 

[Jman8]

Kind of my point really though. Living too, kills.

Still it has been proved that tobacco hastens death for many. Vaping reduced the risks in using nicotine drastically. A lot of vapers no longer want tobacco because it has proved dangerous.

Sure, living itself kills. That's just life.

I'd like to see the proof, if you don't mind. I'm thinking the same sources will have 'evidence' that vaping is dangerous.

 

[crxess]

What is very interesting, and personally very annoying is who the 'supplier' is going to be.... British American Tobacco!!!

This is and has been the Goal of BT World Wide
Only took them 2 Years to basically Destroy Vaping, simply by becoming a Bit player in the industry.

 

[Zakillah]

Electric cigs are better then burning tobaco.
Electric powered cars would be alot better then burning oil.
Does it even matter if there is only a limited amount of oil? Should we use this tech to power our cars for eternity, just because?

 

[Two_Bears]

it's truly hard to hear things of this nature, and, i hear it all of the time. my own family, for example. my own MOTHER! I will have her 100 and 10 percent believing in mods/PVs. I'll have her COMPLETELY and totally FOR mods/PVs and AGAINST traditional cigs.... But then a week later, she'll slip and say something like "your little e-cigarettes were on the news again, they are WORSE for you than smoking, you know!?" & I have to start all over again, trying to tell her that they're SAFER than cigarettes, it's as-if she has dementia!? Selective dementia, when it comes to the government or the media, teaching her what to say & believe. I don't get it!

I mean, I've had her having 5 min conversations with my siblings, about how vaping is completely SAFE, compared to cigarettes... & then the very next day, I'll hear her say "Rachael Ray is against those e-cigarettes, I dont know if I want you smoking those things, they have more carcinogens in them than cigarettes!" It makes me want to CRY when I hear this BS out of her mouth, a DAY after hearing her giving a speech on how they are much SAFER than traditional cigarettes... Selective Dementia, I tell ya! It's terrible! :'(

If it were me here is how I would shake her out of that.

There are twits that don't know what they are talking about.

Then there are scientists and medical Doctors who tested eCigarettes..

I will listen to the UK department at of health (if memory serves)/said ECigs are 98%:safer than cigarettes.

I will listen to Dr Farsalinos.

 

[WattWick]

I will listen to the UK department at of health (if memory serves)/said ECigs are 98%:safer than cigarettes.

Ironically, I'm not confident the 98% reduced harm applies to the solution they opted for.

"We want to put an end to smoking. Who better to help with that than our fellow health pioneers over at British American Tobacco."

 

[MyMagicMist]

I'd like to see the proof, if you don't mind. I'm thinking the same sources will have 'evidence' that vaping is dangerous.

Visit any local graveyard or skull orchard as some call them. You can talk to the dead, go right on ahead. Kind of doubt many if any will say a thing about vaping, though.

 

[EBates]

I often wonder if they waited to see which way the political wind was blowing on this and which side was coming up with the funds, the FDA has committed hundreds of millions for "research" grants on ecigs.

I honestly do not believe anyone thought it would become the major "health" issue it has.

"...hundreds of millions for "research" grants on ecigs." Your Tax Dollars At Work.
The barrage of ANTZ Propaganda serves to demoralize the opposition and allow the Obama Gestapo to march in with less resistance.

 

[Woofer]

I don't want to derail the thread and turn it into a global warming or peak oil thread

Trying very hard to resist as well so thanks!

 

[Jman8]

Visit any local graveyard or skull orchard as some call them. You can talk to the dead, go right on ahead. Kind of doubt many if any will say a thing about vaping, though.

Wow. That was a nice and easy concession. I'll take it.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Wow. That was a nice and easy concession. I'll take it.

Well, you asked for evidence life caused death. Fairly obvious there. All I conceded was what I stated. Life causes death.

To put it another way, "if it lives, it dies." I would have thought was fairly easy to comprehend.

 

[Jman8]

Well, you asked for evidence life caused death. Fairly obvious there. All I conceded was what I stated. Life causes death.

To put it another way, "if it lives, it dies." I would have thought was fairly easy to comprehend.

That's not what I asked evidence for. But I'm okay with the dodge cause it shows that what I did ask evidence for is hard to come by.

 

[leftyandsparky]

I have a yard stick if ya'll need it to measure whos is bigger

 

[Jman8]

Yard stick? Whoa nelly.

 

[leftyandsparky]

My granddaddy taught me alot of uses for a yard stick... measuring wood, egos, using it for a walking stick, stiring a pot cooking outdoors,the list is very long!