LT vs new Vision brand VV tube... marketed at TOX or Howitzer... anyone tried both? Suppliers list???

[orachel]

Ok, so I was well on my way to getting a LT (would have ordered already, but wallet was stolen... convenient delay)... had it all picked out and everything, with chrome finish. But then someone gave me a link to new vision brand VV, similar to LT, but comes with both 18500 tube and mini tube (18650 tubes on the way for an extra $10), and I think I like the display better. Plus, comes with 2 clearo tanks. Anyone tried this AND the Lava Tube who can tell me which they prefer??? I do like the idea of using either the reg size or the mini body, and eventually the 18650 body. Plus its got a puff counter and a few other things. Only things I'm not super keen on, based on video first look, is a) only in black and b) not sure if I like the firing button on the back, or not.

Second, anyone find someone with a good price and good warranty? So far only supplier I've found w 6mos warranty is out of stock. Found a great price on one somewhere else, but they only offer 14 days. And Like the LT, everyone seems to be calling them something else, so no way to do a decent search and find suppliers. Grargh. They don't make it easy for us to shop, do they?

So anyone who's tried both... please give us your opinion on pos and neg of each. And anyone who's found a good price and or warranty... a link would be super helpful! thanks so much! Going nutso trying to track these bad boys down, and have yet to get an opinion from anyone who has tried both lt and this new vision tox thingie.

and anyone who doesn't know what the heck I'm talking about, its this product... here's a great first view vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2rd9l5azSM&sns=em

 

[comptechltd]

I don't think they are going to be released until March.

 

[orachel]

They're definitely avail at a few places... but only prob is the place they're avail currently is the place with the 14 day warranty. I flat out won't do that. I don't have a lot of disposable income, and since my vv box just died, and my minibox has a loose wire... I'm counting on whatever I get to be the only mod I have to pop out for for at least six mos... hoping a year or more. Another place is taking preorders, and another place is already sold out and waiting for restock. I'm really hoping in 5-10 days when I'm buying they're avail other places, with decent price and good warranty. (crossing fingers!!!)

I think what might be happening is the 18650 tubes are due out in march. I wonder if some places have orders of kits coming once the 18650's are avail. I'd like the big one, but I'll be happy with the orig 18500 and 18350 tubes, and pick up the big one down the line.

 

[comptechltd]

Yeah, I just noticed that. I posted to soon. Sorry to mislead. As far as VV goes I just purchased the LT shortie as my intro into VV. It took me all of a day to realize that VV is the way to go. I am now going to purchase a ProVari. I will keep the LT as a backup. I'm should have just bit the bullet and been done with it.

Steve

 

[orachel]

Yay! Glad you're loving it. And yeah, that's the perfect backup, and great to take places where you don't want to risk your provari. Worst thing you can do is rely one unit.. no matter how good... cause if it fails, and you're recently off the cigs, that means big troubles. Yep, I tried an inexpensive vv box... been dying to upgrade, but broke, so it was hard to justify when I had a working vv. But since both my boxes died, I'm down to the trusty but oh so weak ego at 3.2v. Eek! So that's the excuse I needed to get a new one, on the bargain side. I hope you love the ProVari! I've yet to hear anyone say 'i hate mine' so I'd say if you can afford it, you can't go wrong. That seems to be a bullet no one ever regrets biting. I personally think I'd do a Darwin if I had the funds, but from what I've seen lately, they're even more pricey than prov.

 

[Karla Lyle]

I'd really like to hear from anyone who has tried a Lox as well. I just ordered 3 lavatubes in the last 3 weeks. 2 Standard for the hubby and I, and a stainless steel mini for me. I probably could have just gotten a Lox for a little more than the price of 1 LT and had a mini and standard in one.

 

[orachel]

Well, good news is that if there is a difference in function, I don't think it'll be substantial. Aside from the few bells and whistles, looks like they're pretty darn similar. BTW, if you got it at Apollo, pretty sure there's a 30day money back as well as the 1 yr warranty, so possible you might be able to return one or two if you decided to. And fyi, I've yet to find the vision tox with warranty over 6mos, so that's definitely something to work into the equation. If I wasn't in a pickle, I'd wait a month or so till major reviews start coming out on em. As it is, hoping a few good reviews are out by the time I'm ready to buy in 10 days or so. Crossing fingers!

you know, now that I think about it, apollo's money back might only be 14 days...not 100% sure, but that's something to check on, for sure.

 

[bigoted]

I would definitely get the one with the warranty ! 'till they put a nice warranty on the other one...

 

[orachel]

Wanted to pop in here and update... first off, people are starting to get em and give little print reviews. All positive so far except one guy measured voltage output at 3, and it was lacking. Not sure what happened with that one, but others have been measured and they're performing much like a lava tube.... Someone mentioned 'lava tube with a face lift' and that seems to be pretty accurate... oled screen is much nicer, and says 'goodbye, my master' when you turn it off, which i find highly entertaining. Lowest price so far seems to be at litecigsusa $69, with 10 or 15 day warranty. Gotvapes has em at $85 with short warranty, but they've got new client rewards programs, so if you sign up with dwolla and have bought a bunch from them in the past, you might get a significant discount.

As for the warranty.. found one place with a 6 monther, but price was much higher. Then a super clever human told me about squaretrade. You can buy a 3rd party warranty for a $69 product for approx $11, if you want accident covg, add $6... so that'll cover you against everything except theft and loss (and misuse) for 3 yrs. Apparently they give a quick refund of your money, as soon as they verify product is dead. Must buy warranty within 90 days of purchase from online vendors (30 days w ebay, no coverage on private buyers or craigs list). Plus, they have a $5 referral program. Tell someone, they buy, you get $5 in your paypal acct. I'm thrilled to get decent coverage so cheap, so wanted to let you know it was an option... esp you, Karla Lyle, cause I know you just invested in a few LTs. So, that's the tox update! hope it helps someone.

 

[Karla Lyle]

Just noticed Litecig seems to have pulled these for "further testing" I wonder what that's all about.

 

[sailorman]

I have heard that some of them, made within a certain date range, have had improperly functioning circuits. The manuf. is aware of it and it's supposed to have been corrected. But there are still units out there with the problem. I forgot the exact nature of the glitch, but it didn't strike me as a safety issue, more of a performance issue. Litecig is probably being prudent and testing their stock so they know which ones are affected. The mfg. is replacing any bad units they receive from vendors.

 

[orachel]

I can tell you that seems to be exactly what''s going on with some of them including mine. The vendors are all on top of this issue. And when I notified litecig, they said they'd send a new controller head out to me on Monday. I know both Litecigs and Gotvapes are doing everything possible to get em switched for the correct ones, from what I've seen.

But here's the thing.. Even glitchy,(till I get my new controller head) Its amazing. I've been using a vv box mod for 6 mos, and even with the imperfect function on a malfunctioning unit, I am just flat out blown away by the astounding vapor and 'fullness' that that I'm getting from this device. I was under the impression it was the same size as the lava tube ,maybe a tiny bit smaller because of difference between 18500 and 18650. But I've seen a bunch of lava's and this just seems daintier, somehow. The display is crisp bright white oled, as clear as a smart phone. so the screen is actually rather small. There's lots of digital function including a clock, but the one thing that is pretty darn counter intuitive is that you have to reset the clock every time you switch the battery, so thats one function without a lot of added value.

I can tell you that I'm vaping 1.7ohm single coil Resurrector xl size, and the exact same carto juice and voltage gives me a much fuller denser vapor and just a more satisfying vape on the Tox than the vv boxmod. It works well for me since I use a number of types of cartos, but not a whole lot of dc hardware with it.

I just can't tell you how pleasantly surprised I am by this $69 kit. There was a review going around and the guy clearly got a bad one in the bunch, but for me, this is really an impressive vv mod for a relatively small amount of money. Everything about mine is rather sturdy and precise. No weird gaps or anything about it that looks like slapdash construction.

I know they're supposed to be available in a few different colors at some point. Personally, I'd love to have one in stainless, but I haven't heard of any metal finishes available.

There are a couple of things that if they were upgraded, would really make these mods look much pricier than they are.

but all things considered, and even taking into account the few days I'm having to wait for the new head controller, I'm much more impressed by this than I expected to be. I wanted inexpensive/tube/vv.. and as we all know there are restrictions/ limitations to the products in this price point of vv function. with the 2.5amp restriction, but what I was expecting was something that would be reliable, allow me to do about 80% of the things I want to in terms of vaping speific hardware at specific voltages, and a decent perfomance on a day to day basis, at least for a year or so that I figured it would last.

I never imagined that I'd be getting such a truly fantastic vape, and at 4v, no less. I'd love to sit and vape this back to back with the lava tube, and see which i actually preferred. Might actually be ordering one tomorrow, so if I have any direct comparison I'll let you guys know.

 

[Fazed]

I have and have reviewed the Lavatube, and should have the vision TOX on Monday. I will of course put it through the same scrutiny that I put the Lavatube through and report my findings. BTW, my 1st run lava didn't perform all that well either, so I'm not really expecting much from the TOX. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, though. Who knows.

Anyway, I'll review it and post the video as soon as I'm done.


Sent via cellular communication device...

 

[Fazed]

Update: I received it today and so far as it comes straight out of the box... It is unusable. I set it at 5v and unloaded it read 4.8v Loaded (using a 3Ω Boge) it was 3.7v WTF??? Bumped it up to 6v and unloaded it still read 4.8v, but loaded voltage was still only 4v. I emailed Vaporheads.net and requested a fix. We will see what they say. But for now... Stay away from this one until they fix it!

 

[orachel]

Yeah, I don't know what vaporheads are doing, but I know both the Gotvapes and Litecigsusa teams are fixing the problem immediately, and at no cost to consumer, as soon as the corrected heads show up from manufacturer. Its my understanding that a bad batch were put into circulation in error, and unfortunately ended up at all the vendors. Kinda curious, though.. based on your description, that might simply be the 2.5 amp restriction in action if you've got something really low res or a dc on there..many of those won't come anywhere near 5v, even working properly, as advertised. Guessing you're not a beginner, just on your number of posts, though. If you're dealing with 3.0 or higher ohm, though, you definitely got a bad one. Just as a suggestion until the good one shows up... I'm very happily vaping (on my funky controller head.. don't have new one yet) at 4v with a 1.7ohm resurrector, and getting a great vape out of it. Feels like about a 5v hit because of the low ohms, and seems like that's what you're aiming for. Hope that helps, at least in the interim. Sorry you got stuck with one of the duds, too! On the plus, sounds like they've got the fixed ones ready to roll, and are planning LOTS of improvements to these within a shortish timeframe. I'm still pretty hopeful they'll end up being a super high functioning vv unit with low price tag (once they get the bad ones out of the batch!) lol. We were just lucky enough to order early and get stuck with the wonky ones. Ah well... such is my vapeluck, it seems.

edit.. just noticed you're the guy who also has and has reviewed lava tube, so guessing you're not just vaping outside capabilities. (sorry! lots of super newbies ordered lava's...didn't mean to assume you were one of them). Bad seed head. Bummer. I just ordered a stainless steel lava tube as well, so guessing we'll both be in posession of both Lava Tubes and Tox, with corrected tox heads, at about the same time. Curious to hear your comparison once you've got the replacement!

BTW...any of you with the bad batch of TOX heads.. anyone else noticing problems with measuring these things w volt meter? I don't know WHAT'S going on, but about 5 out of 10 x won't even register on the meter. I know voltage is what's listed (at 4v) or pretty darn close cause I'm comparing it to another vv unit... but not resistering on meter? What's that about??

 

[Fazed]

Yeah, I don't know what vaporheads are doing, but I know both the Gotvapes and Litecigsusa teams are fixing the problem immediately, and at no cost to consumer, as soon as the corrected heads show up from manufacturer. Its my understanding that a bad batch were put into circulation in error, and unfortunately ended up at all the vendors. Kinda curious, though.. based on your description, that might simply be the 2.5 amp restriction in action if you've got something really low res or a dc on there..many of those won't come anywhere near 5v, even working properly, as advertised. Guessing you're not a beginner, just on your number of posts, though. If you're dealing with 3.0 or higher ohm, though, you definitely got a bad one. Just as a suggestion until the good one shows up... I'm very happily vaping (on my funky controller head.. don't have new one yet) at 4v with a 1.7ohm resurrector, and getting a great vape out of it. Feels like about a 5v hit because of the low ohms, and seems like that's what you're aiming for. Hope that helps, at least in the interim. Sorry you got stuck with one of the duds, too! On the plus, sounds like they've got the fixed ones ready to roll, and are planning LOTS of improvements to these within a shortish timeframe. I'm still pretty hopeful they'll end up being a super high functioning vv unit with low price tag (once they get the bad ones out of the batch!) lol. We were just lucky enough to order early and get stuck with the wonky ones. Ah well... such is my vapeluck, it seems.

Sorry. Should have stated that I was using a 3Ω Boge carto when I got these readings. 1.6A current draw (5v with a 3Ω carto)... Definitely a bad unit. Vaporheads wrote me back, but so far has not resolved my issue. I will withhold further comment and give them a chance to make it right. I have emailed them a link to this thread and will see what they choose to do.

 

[Fazed]

BTW...any of you with the bad batch of TOX heads.. anyone else noticing problems with measuring these things w volt meter? I don't know WHAT'S going on, but about 5 out of 10 x won't even register on the meter. I know voltage is what's listed (at 4v) or pretty darn close cause I'm comparing it to another vv unit... but not resistering on meter? What's that about??

Mine registers fine... I just don't like the numbers... LOL!

 

[Rhody]

Well, I'll chime in here.....ordered the Tox, got a bad one, wouldn't go above 4.8v and when it was under load with a 3.0 Boge cartomizer, the
voltage went down to about 3.2v. So I contacted the vendor (Litecig)....immediately got a new "head", but unfortunately, it did the same thing.
Litecig IMMEDIATLEY gave me a refund once I contacted them.
Litecig is a great vendor to deal with, have always ordered from them, and will continue to order from them. It's just unfortunate that they got a bad batch of Tox kits. I seriously would wait for these issues to be fixed before considering purchasing one

 

[orachel]

Yep, have to agree on that. The thing is... and I DON'T KNOW if this is true... apparently gotvapes doesn't have its corrected heads yet. I was wondering why Litecigs does, and gotvapes doesn't and heard that the litecigs replacements still might not reach voltage.... Gotvapes is holding out I guess till they know for sure the prob is resolved. Again, you know how you hear these things...might well turn out not to be the case. And the GV one was $20 more to begin with, which was why I went litecigs to begin with. But I really like the unit, so assuming my new lava tube shows up, and I'm not over the moon loving it better than tox, then I'll probably give litecigs one more chance (assuming my first replacement is still funkified, like yours) to fix it. I know the vendors are working with manufacturers, and they are planning all sorts of amazing improvements to these units soon, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE the idea of having the head and tube separate, both for size changes and the ability to purchase a new head only when major improvements happen, or new tube only when new colors are out. But... not willing to wait forever. If there was something else I was dying to have instead, or if I had the funds to go up to a buzzpro or provari, I'd feel differently, of course. But i figure if this one is funky, and they dont get it together on the following one, then I'll start asking for money back. Of course, I'm not suffering too badly with current one. I want it fixed, of course, but i'm pretty happy at 4v because I'm using low res cartos... so not like i'm ripping my hair out in the interim. lol If i were... THAT would totally be a different story.

 

[Fazed]

I have personally spoken with Gary Briggs from vaporheads last night via facebook chat. He is a stand up guy. He is as ...... as anybody that these aren't working right. He told me he will take care of it, and to send my head unit back to him and he will try and get a replacement. If not, then a refund.

I have lots of mods, and don't mind being without it, it just delays my review somewhat, but as it came from the factory, I couldn't have reviewed it anyway.

My recommendation is to wait on the purchase of the TOX, until the manufacturer gets their act together.