M401 vs. 510 -- Can't decide. :(

[SleepHater]

I'll vote for a 401. I think the throat hit can be improved/increased with a EVOlution atty from intellicig. You can get them separate in white or black, plus I have seen quite a few pretty high fashion mods done by some ladies with a little fingernail polish if color matching is an issue.

Teraphon did a side by side comparison with an EVO att vs. a generic M401/Pilot atty and confirmed my belief that the EVO yeilds a better throat hit than the standard atty, who knows why.

The durability of my EVO is outstanding. I am still on my first atty after 6 weeks of what could only be described as abuse, 18 hours a day of vaping, I am really impressed with the life on these attomizers. Plus, overall I have dropped this thing more times than I can count. Dropped it the other day in the parking lot and then preceded to grind in to the asphalt while grabbing my book bag - I little external rub down with some hand sanitizer and I was on my way vaping. Plus I think the vapor production is really very good. Yeah, you won't be competing with some 12v super mod that will also serve as a fog machine at a Stones concert but you will certainly be able to blow some very nice smoke rings. Hope that helps.

Cheers.

 

[KreeL]

The M401 is a nice unit. It doesn't, however, compare to the overall performance of a 510-C.

 

[ruuku]

Why is this? does it have something to do with it reaching 100c i read somewhere in this vast forum that it turned into ?ACRELYNE? no clue if i spelled that right but i believe i read it was ?carcinogenic? not sure but this is something i would definitely want to avoid... i believe all of the juice i own has some percentage of VG... could you please elaborate... thanks...

There have been way better posts than mine on the subject (link to thread:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/experiments-equipment/14359-decomposition-vg-acrolein.html) but I'm pretty confident that even though the 510 gets pretty hot, i believe its not nearly hot enough for the break down of VG into acrolein (VG needs to get up to 280C for the breakdown to occur). I'm not saying that it WON'T happen, but I guess I'm willing to take that chance over the 4K chemicals in analogs. What meant in my post is that the 510 heats up VG so hot that it leaves a "residue" (not the acrid taste that i assume acrolein would produce) feeling in my mouth after i vape 50% VG, does not occur with PG so that's all i use in the 510.

 

[-sinner-]

Everyone gets a different battery life since no two vapers vape the same. I'm a constant vaper and I get about 3 hours of life at best. I just keep a few charged up and them swap them around. Rob @ altsmoke just got new purple LED batteries, had to order a few

I will say though that I'm mostly a E-cigar fan, but the 510 really won me over when I got it last week. Couldn't be happier with it.

thanks shimmy, thats good to know. i love my e-cigar too, sadly i think the sensor just went out on my second one, it lasted about 6 weeks. im tinkering with it, slowly hoping to bring it back to life. good thing i have spares.

sounds like a 510 with extra batteries is the way to go. thats been more the direction ive been leaning anyway, but i do like the availability of stock with the 401s. seems like everyone has parts for those, and we all know how important it is to keep our parts stocked lol!

 

[RsL]

sounds like a 510 with extra batteries is the way to go. thats been more the direction ive been leaning anyway, but i do like the availability of stock with the 401s. seems like everyone has parts for those, and we all know how important it is to keep our parts stocked lol!

Plenty of suppliers have 510 parts. Below is a supplier list...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uppliers-links-only-no-discussion-please.html

 

[SKYYcamel]

Are 510 parts compatible with the Janty Dura-C?

 

[RsL]

Are 510 parts compatible with the Janty Dura-C?

Yes. The 510 just goes by different names and Dura-C is one of them.

 

[ShMiGgY]

i'm voting 401 (mine is the newer 4 hole wide bridge type). If you want an e-cig that, for example, you can top off and screw in a charged batt before work, and, not take anything else with you the entire day. I don't have anything that will come close to my 401.

It is also by far, the most reliable that i have in my collection. I'm still on the first atty that came with it 2 weeks later, with no inkling of needing to do anything with it.

Sure, the vapor/throat hit could be better, but as far as the total package for most casual smokers, I really don't think you could beat a 401

 

[Annastasia]

Thanks all for your advice and opinions!

Does anything other than the 510 come with a personal charging case? I saw the VX2 from litecigs getting a mention that a case might be a possibility; if that happens I think I'll head that way for sure. It does look like a great model. I think I'm going to hold off for a little while and see what becomes available, though the 401 is still something I'm lusting after. The durability and battery life are big selling points for me.

It's funny how loyal people are to their favorite e-cig models! I'm loving all the reviews in this thread, very fun to read.

 

[MrKrinkle]

OK its my turn to chime in... I had the M401 till I got the 510 Manual and major points that make the 510 a better device...

1st - easy to top carts like a DSE901... the 401 has a lil tiny cart inside the main cart which in order to top off you need a paperclip to push the inner cart up to refill... such a pain in the ......

2nd - Manual 510 batts are sealed so overdripping will not destroy the manual battery which is a very very good thing...

3rd - I am still using the same 1st 510 atomizer now for over 2 months and it still produces like a champ... to get the amount of vapor I get from my 510 manual I would have to stick 2 or 3 M401's in my mouth at the same time...

4th - The manual 510 Batts are not sensitive to sound or vibration like the M401 and other PV's with auto switches...

5th - Now that the 510 has an available passthru and with a Kensington Power Pack I can vape all the live long day even on the go...

Like I said I at one time had 3 M401 kits cause I thought they would be great after reading what people thought but in my opinion the M401 is a tempermental delicate over sensitive fragile huge POS and Im glad I have gotten those demon devices from my house for they will never be welcome in my home again... Thank You and Have a Nice Day!!!

 

[AnglVapin]

Like I said I at one time had 3 M401 kits cause I thought they would be great after reading what people thought but in my opinion the M401 is a tempermental delicate over sensitive fragile huge POS and Im glad I have gotten those demon devices from my house for they will never be welcome in my home again... Thank You and Have a Nice Day!!!

Oh...come on. Don't be shy. Tell us how you really feel! LOL

I agree... the 510 hands down over the M401.

 

[bnatural]

Like I said I at one time had 3 M401 kits cause I thought they would be great after reading what people thought but in my opinion the M401 is a tempermental delicate over sensitive fragile huge POS and Im glad I have gotten those demon devices from my house for they will never be welcome in my home again... Thank You and Have a Nice Day!!!

8-o
Please tell us how you really feel MrKrinkle.....

so delicate, sensitive and fragile is not your thing. Is the wife out chopping wood?

 

[MrKrinkle]

Oh...come on. Don't be shy. Tell us how you really feel! LOL

I agree... the 510 hands down over the M401.

8-o
Please tell us how you really feel MrKrinkle.....

so delicate, sensitive and fragile is not your thing. Is the wife out chopping wood?

Well to be honest I was being nice I could get more descriptive but my true opinion of the M401 might make some members cry and might anger the MODS...

I like delicate fragile and sensitive in a lady within reason... no Drama queens need apply... but as for a smoke if I wanted some girly smoke I would have puffed on Carltons or Vagina Slimes I mean Virginia Slims or Capri's or some sh*t... but I was a Marlboro Reds man and the 510 Manual finally satisfied my needs...

 

[wegster]

Just...


(would it help if the 401 was a purdy color? )

 

[viachy]

No1 Thread for me at the moment.
Check my signature.

My only doublt at the moment is about the battery life and the atomiser getting the way too hot - talking about the 510....

On the other hand it gotta be either 510 or a Mod, so I think I`ll chose the 510...

Still not sure if it is worth it though

 

[need_2quit]

My only doublt at the moment is about the battery life and the atomiser getting the way too hot - talking about the 510....

On the other hand it gotta be either 510 or a Mod, so I think I`ll chose the 510...

My m402 gets BLAZING hot. I need to get our laser temp gun out to check it one day.

I have a 510 on order. Have had the M402 for about 2 months. It's a total POC. 4 attys/4 batteries = all tempermental. Have talked to others = same issues. They usually don't post about it.

If someone wants to troubleshoot and reach for an analog after an hour of tshooting the 401, go for it lol.

 

[ShMiGgY]

I'm surprised.

Did you guys have early model 401's?? I have two of the new ones, and the only thing i don't like about it is the vapor production/throat hit (it's there, but not as good as my other models). Everything else about it is fine...

It's never given me one problem operation/realiability wise.. I do need to smoke higher strength out of it though to equal a lower strength on my other models. I'm currently vaping 36mg coffee out of a 4081 passthrough at the moment, and it is kicking my head in compared to the 401... dizzy... and lightheaded, and huge clouds of vape... honestly feels like overkill.....
gonna go lay down... I will say the 401 never does that to me, it just gives a nice smooth vape experience...

A lot of this will have to do with your personal preferences. Depends on the type of smoker you are/were. I was only ever a half pack/day person, and the 401 suits me fine.

One thing i've found is that dudes seem to gravitate towards the 510, and the lady's prefer the more subdued 401's....

Guess i'm a puss.

 

[Judge Mental]

My m402 gets BLAZING hot. I need to get our laser temp gun out to check it one day.

I have a 510 on order. Have had the M402 for about 2 months. It's a total POC. 4 attys/4 batteries = all tempermental. Have talked to others = same issues. They usually don't post about it.

If someone wants to troubleshoot and reach for an analog after an hour of tshooting the 401, go for it lol.

Well, I'll speak up, n2q... I've done everything I know to to get my 401 working like I think it should - like everyone else says it works. It gets such glowing reviews that I was convinced it was me and I was doing something wrong.

I have six batteries and six atomizers and no matter what combination I use, it doesn't produce a decent amount of vapor and the taste is either bland or harsh (when the atty gets hot?) no matter what different juice I use. I spent an entire evening cleaning, blowing out, drying atomizers and cleaning carts, etc. and finally got one combination of battery/atty to give somewhat decent vapor for all of an hour. Sigh...

I received my 510 manual today and am happily vaping away - no fuss, no muss, no juice in my mouth. Oh... and no break in period with a yucky tasting atty. I don't have to top off near as often and when I do, I don't have to locate a straightened out paper clip or other tool to push up the cart. May seem like a small thing but annoying when you have to do it every ten minutes or so.

So for me... for the 510. Way, WAY better than the 401, IMO.

Suzi

 

[need_2quit]

oh wow you got it suzi? sweet. I should get mine by monday I guess. Ordered from the widow.

I think that's the thing that pisses off 401 users - too damn tempermental. I have better things to do with my time than get out my junkie kit and tshoot it. I'm dying for a good hit and I'm always left wanting. Occasionally you get a brilliant hit, and you're like wth? give me one EVERY time! There just is no ryhme or reason to it's quirks.

ShMiGgY you could be right. The 401 might be just the thing for light analog smokers that want a dull, mini vapor hit. I will say the few times it does produce vapor it's about 1/2 of the 510 video's I've seen. But it is short lived and back to WTH?!! lol

btw - I'm a chick and I hate the Mxxx.

 

[MrKrinkle]

I hate the M401 its the devil and a poor excuse for a PV...