Man Severely Injured After eCigarette Blows Up In His Face

[Baditude]

I would not let my dog touch Efest with a stick.

These are good IMO:

MNKE 26650
Max discharge rate: 30A
Max Pulse discharge: 60A or 70A?

Edit: and of course reading Bad's blog is a must (thx again Bad!)

Thanks for the plug, but the 26650 MNKE are only 20 amp continuous.
MNKE 26650 batteries

 

[QU1T]

As much as I hate to say it, unless the vaping industry decides to regulate itself soon, the FDA will impose their own regulations and many of us will not like that. Too many in the vaping industry are only interested in their profit margin, not so much the safety of their customers. As usual, the bad guys will ruin it for the rest of us.

EUSSR is already busy limiting hardware, I think NL, with it's lax laws, of all places, decided to implement for 2016 already...someone correct me if I made a booboo

Thanks for the plug, but the 26650 MNKE are only 20 amp continuous.
MNKE 26650 batteries

Says 30A here and the shop in NL where I bought mine, no link at hand, perhaps a newer model?
MNKE IMR 26650 (3500MAH) 30A High Discharge Battery (Flat Top) - Custom Vapes UK

 

[SleeZy]

I find it highly amusing that all of these "sensational" reports are made by Fox... Basicly the swedish version of Aftonbladet.
They both work the same, hide the real cause and just spread fear mongering and propaganda. They will never explain why x or y happened. Just that "this is dangerous!!!" kind of a way.

It is quite well known that a mech shouldn't be operated with a unsafe battery and/or to be used within their safety range.
Sure failures can/could possibly happen, that's why we want to use the safest possible batteries and make sure the mod got good vent holes. To avoid these rare failures.
Sure this could happen to everyone/anyone, but i just feel this is just a propaganda war against the ecigg further on. Especially since this is comming from the fox channel. Which basicly lives of "sensational" things...

But all in all this also shows that, mechs does require a certain learning curve to get into, safetly. I've seen far to many ppl on here recommend mech mods to beginners. There's so much to learn/read before taking that step imo.

I'm glad that the guy made it through with minor damages though!

Edit:
Another thing that grind my gear how it could explode basicly right away, If the battery is venting you'll feel it before it'll go into explotion mode. Due the severe heat it'll make due a vent. Unless this guy wasn't using an IMR cell. Then i could see why it exploded right away.
Even if you were to use a mech mod without vent holes, the mod will get realy hot before it goes to chaos.

 

[Baditude]

Says 30A here and the shop in NL where I bought mine, no link at hand, perhaps a newer model?
MNKE IMR 26650 (3500MAH) 30A High Discharge Battery (Flat Top) - Custom Vapes UK

Nowhere do I see the "continuous" discharge rate on that link. Just saying 30 amps can mean the pulse or peak discharge rate, which is meaningless in vaping circles. I trust RTD Vapors quote of 20 amps continuous more.

I read recently that MNKE was purchased by IMREN, not exactly the most reputable of battery distributors. Whether the MNKE battery continues to be a quality battery remains to be seen.

"IMREN (formerly MNKE)- Top 10% are available to consumers, their top 5% are reserved for car companies only. Since IREN bought out MNKE can no longer call them a top cell manufacturer. Not because they are no longer making good batteries, but because the bare cells sold to the public are grossly over inflated when it comes to their amp ratings."
----- Beginner's Guide to Batteries​

 

[crxess]

Batteries are designed to vent from their top. Most mods have vent holes in the bottom = poor design.

Except Most Mechanical mods(NOT ALL) can run the Battery -Top Down.
Hybrids are one exception, among a few others.

Whenever possible a Flipped battery will increase the chance of Safer Venting of gasses.

 

[QU1T]

Nowhere do I see the "continuous" discharge rate on that link. Just saying 30 amps can mean the pulse or peak discharge rate, which is meaningless in vaping circles.

I read recently that MNKE was purchased by IMREN, not exactly the most reputable of battery distributors. Whether the MNKE battery continues to be a quality battery remains to be seen.

Pwned and noted, cheers Bad.

 

[vapero]

So basically what you are saying is that the great majority of mechs being sold have inherently unsafe design flaws (besides mechs being inherently more risky then a well designed regulated, as in Provape and the latter evolv). Isn't that wonderful. And yet vape shops and online venders are pushing this stuff, and pushing it on to newbies, largely because of more profit for them. So now we sit around and wonder why these things are blowing up. Just take a look at the newbie section of ECF and it is easy to see there is way to much talk about the wonders of mechs.

I said on another forum (the CASSA Facebook page) that mechs should be voluntarily taken off the market by vape shops and online venders. They are not a common consumer good and should not be sold as one. But of course the profit is just to high so it is not going to happen. As an active THR advocate it is very difficult to take about harm reduction when devices are blowing up in peoples faces.

so you are advocating on banning mech mods?
while we are banning stuff why not motorcycles? you can fall off you know, we should only allow cars
I vape only mechs and don't need a regulated mod, they are perfectly safe for me

mech mods and our batteries are powerfull little devices the problem is that people don't think there is anything lo learn, they think ithey are just plug and play, so as I said, a little warning or awareness info on every mod on the market could minimize this a lot

 

[vapero]

Except Most Mechanical mods(NOT ALL) can run the Battery -Top Down.
Hybrids are one exception, among a few others.

Whenever possible a Flipped battery will increase the chance of Safer Venting of gasses.

yes but if you have a tear on the wrap the you get a hard short instead of an autofire

 

[KentA]

I suppose the bottom-line is education. First and foremost for the new vaper. This can only be done effectively IMO, at the point of sale. Sure, there are forums such as ECF which will help many, but there are many, many, more out there who do not visit forums. They can only be reached though the vendors. I'm not saying that there's no individual responsibility required from the consumer, just that I think the folks selling these goods should be responsible for what they sell to the public, offer some type of basic education on the compatibility / safe use of the goods sold, and not send folks out the door until they do so.

I couldn't agree with you more, but there are legal repercussions to this approach as well.

I asked a very knowledgeable B&M owner a specific question about a 510 connection, & his answer was that he couldn't advise me on that because if he did he could be held liable. He knew the answer but referred me to the internet.

It reminded me of my teaching background; I taught alpine skiing & was warned by legal counsel not to discuss how to fall because if we taught a student how to reduce the chance of injury while crashing, & they got hurt, we were responsible.

 

[SleeZy]

It reminded me of my teaching background; I taught alpine skiing & was warned by legal counsel not to discuss how to fall because if we taught a student how to reduce the chance of injury while crashing, & they got hurt, we were responsible.

Whoa... This seems realy backwards to me imo.
Edit: I mean it's better to learn them how to fall "correctly" rather that not saying at all... :S

Sorry for OT.

 

[DC2]

I find it highly amusing that all of these "sensational" reports are made by Fox... Basicly the swedish version of Aftonbladet.
They both work the same, hide the real cause and just spread fear mongering and propaganda. They will never explain why x or y happened. Just that "this is dangerous!!!" kind of a way.

I've never in my life seen any report on any news outlet explain why.
Fox News has nothing to do with it.

The fact is that the "news" doesn't care why.
Why only comes weeks or months later after nobody cares anymore except for us.

If you ever tried to find out "why" any of these incidents happen, which I have...
You'd find that you pretty much can't do it.

First they are "investigating" the cause.
Then they won't say anything due to possible pending litigation.

Again, Fox News has nothing to do with it.

It is quite well known that a mech shouldn't be operated with a unsafe battery and/or to be used within their safety range.

In what universe?

Oh, you must mean the ECF universe.
That's a pretty small universe when looking at the bigger picture.

mech mods and our batteries are powerfull little devices the problem is that people don't think there is anything lo learn, they think ithey are just plug and play, so as I said, a little warning or awareness info on every mod on the market could minimize this a lot

Now this is a post that makes sense, due to the inherent truthiness.

 

[SleeZy]

I've never in my life seen any report on any news outlet explain why.
Fox News has nothing to do with it.

The fact is that the "news" doesn't care why.
Why only comes weeks or months later after nobody cares anymore except for us.

If you ever tried to find out "why" any of these incidents happen, which I have...
You'd find that you pretty much can't do it.

First they are "investigating" the cause.
Then they won't say anything due to possible pending litigation.

Again, Fox News has nothing to do with it.


In what universe?

Oh, you must mean the ECF universe.
That's a pretty small universe when looking at the bigger picture.


Now this is a post that makes sense, due to the inherent truthiness.

Yea, it's very true and i agree with all of what you said.
And yes i kinda thought about ECF and other communitues. I personally try to steer newbies away from mechs and tell them about the safety etc.
But i've seen it far to often that newbies on here (efc) gets recommended mechs as their first setup. Which was kinda my point i guess. But i didn't explain it good enough.

 

[Stubby]

so you are advocating on banning mech mods?
while we are banning stuff why not motorcycles? you can fall off you know, we should only allow cars
I vape only mechs and don't need a regulated mod, they are perfectly safe for me

The fact that you think they are perfectly safe for you tells me to give you a lot of room when you vape. Sounds more like famous last words rather then someone who has real knowledge of mechs. Anyone who has real knowledge of the dangers of batteries would never say that.

Just want to understand, what other option would you suggest? a license for a mech?

Appears to be some reading comprehension issues. How calling for a voluntary withdrawal of mechs ending up banning and licensing is more then a bit over the top. The answer is that I don't care what you do, just don't push mechs as a common consumer good, which is exactly what is happening today.

 

[KentA]

I've never in my life seen any report on any news outlet explain why.
Fox News has nothing to do with it.

The fact is that the "news" doesn't care why.
Why only comes weeks or months later after nobody cares anymore except for us.

If you ever tried to find out "why" any of these incidents happen, which I have...
You'd find that you pretty much can't do it.

First they are "investigating" the cause.
Then they won't say anything due to possible pending litigation.

Again, Fox News has nothing to do with it.


In what universe?

Oh, you must mean the ECF universe.
That's a pretty small universe when looking at the bigger picture.


Now this is a post that makes sense, due to the inherent truthiness.

If you ever sat throughJournalism 101, you know all about theFive Ws
Five Ws and One H: The Secret to Complete News Stories - Journalistics

Five Ws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[stevegmu]

The reputable sites I have seen who sell mechs include a warning saying they are an experienced/advanced user item. Perhaps B&Ms don't issue such warnings, but most B&Ms in the US are a bit of a joke. They either don't know about the Fastech items they re-sell or don't care and sell what they guy who goes into the shop asking what he needs to blow clouds with a mech. People are also cheap, and buy junky mods as long as they are inexpensive and re-wrapped batteries, because they cost $3 less...

 

[Dopefish]

And this is why I only use real VTC4 and VTC5 batteries

 

[sonicbomb]

Except Most Mechanical mods(NOT ALL) can run the Battery -Top Down. Whenever possible a Flipped battery will increase the chance of Safer Venting of gasses.

I thought inverting the cell was a no-no in a mech? Or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[SomeTexan]

The reputable sites I have seen who sell mechs include a warning saying they are an experienced/advanced user item. Perhaps B&Ms don't issue such warnings, but most B&Ms in the US are a bit of a joke. They either don't know about the Fastech items they re-sell or don't care and sell what they guy who goes into the shop asking what he needs to blow clouds with a mech. People are also cheap, and buy junky mods as long as they are inexpensive and re-wrapped batteries, because they cost $3 less...

My favorite local vape shop tries to educate their customers before selling them advanced gear, and it gets them cussed out fairly often. I watched a guy cuss the owner out when he explained why he doesn't sell Efest batteries. Watched another guy cuss out an employee because he refused to build them a .05ohm Kanthal coil for his mech mod. I've seen people cuss them out because they wouldn't sell them a mech mod after they proved the have no idea what it takes to use one safely. They gladly point them half a mile down the road to a shop that will sell anything to anyone and still get cussed out. There are too many idiots that think they should get whatever they want, whenever they want regardless of the consequences. If it didn't affect the vaping community as a whole, I would be all for letting natural selection run it's course...

 

[SleeZy]

I thought inverting the cell was a no-no in a mech? Or am I misunderstanding you?

It is, if you wanna be safe.

 

[vapero]

The fact that you think they are perfectly safe for you tells me to give you a lot of room when you vape. Sounds more like famous last words rather then someone who has real knowledge of mechs. Anyone who has real knowledge of the dangers of batteries would never say that.



Appears to be some reading comprehension issues. How calling for a voluntary withdrawal of mechs ending up banning and licensing is more then a bit over the top. The answer is that I don't care what you do, just don't push mechs as a common consumer good, which is exactly what is happening today.

my mechs are perfectly safe because I know how to use them. I make my own mechanical mods and I do know how to test them to the limits and really know about the safety involved in them.

I know there is always a risk and I know how to deal with it in case it happens, I know how does a battery vent and place the vent holes in the right place, I know that batts can swell so I give them room to breath etc...

a well designed mech mod is safer in the hands of a knowledgeable user than a regulated is. but the key point is you NEED to know what you are doing.

this all "mechs are bad and should be banned" come on, by that measure a lot of things we do everyday should be banned also.

I see trucks on the highway daily but you wouldn't give one to some teenager that doesn't know how to drive