lol -- no I don't take much of an offense towards too many things --- I sort of figured you were expounding on it. Yep, we pretty much agree on it for sure.
Man Severely Injured After eCigarette Blows Up In His Face
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lol -- no I don't take much of an offense towards too many things --- I sort of figured you were expounding on it. Yep, we pretty much agree on it for sure.
My newest mod has short protection. Screwed up my build a couple days ago and it gave me a warning message. It also says check atomizer if the connection is bad. Lastly the quality of the batt is up to you. You can either use sony lg or samsung or crappy e fest. Either way it's not the mods faultIf everything is spec'd out with the right safety margins, regulation should keep the battery safe.
Unless there's a short
Or a bad connection
Or a bad cell
Or a cell that doesn't meet specs that got by QC
Or the board fails at regulating in one of a myriad of ways
Electronics fail.
Doesn't matter how good they are, there's always going to be a bad one.
I have a provari that failed in less than 2 weeks.
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You also have to account for the box. Can the MOSFET or switch handle that level of current, you don't want them welding them self closed. Was high temp solder used. Are the contacts capable of withstanding the heat generated by contact resistance.
At 75A you are walking a razors edge.
Actually, the Provari uses an American made chip made exclusively for Provape from a manufacturer in Illinois.
"Bare Circuit Boards - Manufactured in Illinois. We do not purchase the circuit boards from China due to their poor quality. While the circuit boards are more expensive to produce in the USA; this is the heart of the system and it’s important to us that they are the best quality we can get. Each PCB is electronically tested before it ever sees components.
Electronic Components on Circuit Board – these are the only parts that might come from outside of the USA. Some of these parts are simply not made in the US, so we can’t get them from a US source, even though we would prefer to.
We use components from Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, China and the USA.
Component assembly - Components are soldered onto the circuit boards at a facility outside Seattle, Washington. After getting components installed, the boards are tested several more times at our Monroe facility to ensure they are ready to ship. We test each one multiple times to give you the most reliable product you can get.
We don't cut any corners when it comes to quality control, testing, and component selection."
---- ProVari - "MADE" in the USA
Electronic Components on Circuit Board – these are the only parts that might come from outside of the USA. Some of these parts are simply not made in the US, so we can’t get them from a US source, even though we would prefer to.
We use components from Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, China and the USA.
Component assembly - Components are soldered onto the circuit boards at a facility outside Seattle, Washington. After getting components installed, the boards are tested several more times at our Monroe facility to ensure they are ready to ship. We test each one multiple times to give you the most reliable product you can get.
We don't cut any corners when it comes to quality control, testing, and component selection."
---- ProVari - "MADE" in the USA
Yes, cell phones contain Li-Ion lithium batteries, but which chemistry type? There are ICR, IMR, and Li-Poly lithium batteries. IMR are the only "safe chemistry" lithium batteries, and the only lithium batteries recommended for vaping because their chemistry is not volatile, unlike ICR or Li-Poly.bluecat said:
Battery University and ECF battery guru Rolygate recommend using a bigger battery over a smaller battery because a bigger battery will have a higher amp rating over a smaller battery.
"Battery size
An important consideration in battery safety is simply the physical size of the battery, and its C rating or safe discharge current. These two factors are linked, as small batteries of any type cannot safely run an atomizer, because they are not capable of supplying sufficient current.
Put simply: a larger battery is a safer battery. This means that a battery of sufficient physical size for the task can be of any type, as it will have sufficient safe capacity. The smallest cell this applies to is the 18500 format."
---Warning: Rechargeable Batteries for APV's
An important consideration in battery safety is simply the physical size of the battery, and its C rating or safe discharge current. These two factors are linked, as small batteries of any type cannot safely run an atomizer, because they are not capable of supplying sufficient current.
Put simply: a larger battery is a safer battery. This means that a battery of sufficient physical size for the task can be of any type, as it will have sufficient safe capacity. The smallest cell this applies to is the 18500 format."
---Warning: Rechargeable Batteries for APV's
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I would really hate to think someone would have to die during one of these ecig accidents for it not to be so easily dismissed by a few sentences in a forum and I am unaware of anyone that has had a cigarette blow up in their hand, face or mouth causing severe injury so I am not sure where the comparison come into play here....
Not sure about you but I do not know of anyone that would like to suffer burns, broken teeth, a neck fracture, burn to their eyes or a hole in the roof of their mouth that may or may not ever heal properly by using an ecig like this poor guy has.
I empathize with anyone injured from anothers(possible) neglect. I also feel little for anyone injures through acknowledged stupidity,and a few fit.
I also know Cigarettes have killed hundreds annually through accidents such as Falling asleep, smoking around combustibles, Forest fires,etc, not to mention the millions killed by tobacco related health issues.
Really did not get that analogy, sorry.
But that was my point @Baditude . Chips are not boards, and Provari's chips are not American made. Even Provape is mounting foreign chips on their American made PCB's.
I think that MUCH more emphasis needs to be placed on battery safety by manufacturers of electronic vaping devices. I recently watched a vid of an Efest battery venting.. The damn device happily kept on firing, although the battery was venting.
I'm certain that the same battery would have thrown a "Weak Battery" error in a DNA xxx based device, and simply shut-down before it had a chance to vent. Other than boards from Evolv and ProVape, does anyone know of another electronic regulated vaping device which offers constant, real-time, battery monitoring? I would like to think that YiHi's SX series boards do, but I've seen nothing concrete about it.
On the topic of the latest mech explosion... I've been here for around 5 years now, and found that the saying "you can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink" rings true. There are a handful of members here who shout battery / device safety from the rafters at every opportunity, however, there will always be those who simply do not want to take the time to read, and learn. There will always be those who will grab the most inexpensive batteries they can find to run their super sub-ohm build on a mech, without investing in an ohm-meter to check for resistance / shorts BEFORE attempting to fire their build. There will also always be folks who just have the misfortune of purchasing new, but defective goods..
It's getting more difficult to finger-point at user error as the underlying cause of the majority of incidents these days. We have a boat-load of cash-grabbing vendors out there who make little effort in sourcing quality batteries and devices. We have become bombarded with vape-goods which in many ways look like toys, and are kind of marketed as such on various sites. I can see where many could be lulled into a false sense of security in thinking that these goods are safe to just pick up and use, as long as whichever battery / atty fits it.
I suppose the bottom-line is education. First and foremost for the new vaper. This can only be done effectively IMO, at the point of sale. Sure, there are forums such as ECF which will help many, but there are many, many, more out there who do not visit forums. They can only be reached though the vendors. I'm not saying that there's no individual responsibility required from the consumer, just that I think the folks selling these goods should be responsible for what they sell to the public, offer some type of basic education on the compatibility / safe use of the goods sold, and not send folks out the door until they do so.
I'm certain that the same battery would have thrown a "Weak Battery" error in a DNA xxx based device, and simply shut-down before it had a chance to vent. Other than boards from Evolv and ProVape, does anyone know of another electronic regulated vaping device which offers constant, real-time, battery monitoring? I would like to think that YiHi's SX series boards do, but I've seen nothing concrete about it.
On the topic of the latest mech explosion... I've been here for around 5 years now, and found that the saying "you can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink" rings true. There are a handful of members here who shout battery / device safety from the rafters at every opportunity, however, there will always be those who simply do not want to take the time to read, and learn. There will always be those who will grab the most inexpensive batteries they can find to run their super sub-ohm build on a mech, without investing in an ohm-meter to check for resistance / shorts BEFORE attempting to fire their build. There will also always be folks who just have the misfortune of purchasing new, but defective goods..
It's getting more difficult to finger-point at user error as the underlying cause of the majority of incidents these days. We have a boat-load of cash-grabbing vendors out there who make little effort in sourcing quality batteries and devices. We have become bombarded with vape-goods which in many ways look like toys, and are kind of marketed as such on various sites. I can see where many could be lulled into a false sense of security in thinking that these goods are safe to just pick up and use, as long as whichever battery / atty fits it.
I suppose the bottom-line is education. First and foremost for the new vaper. This can only be done effectively IMO, at the point of sale. Sure, there are forums such as ECF which will help many, but there are many, many, more out there who do not visit forums. They can only be reached though the vendors. I'm not saying that there's no individual responsibility required from the consumer, just that I think the folks selling these goods should be responsible for what they sell to the public, offer some type of basic education on the compatibility / safe use of the goods sold, and not send folks out the door until they do so.
RobertCromwell said:
Actually, there was a post about a year ago here on ECF of an eGo battery which was charging which exploded and traveled across the room like a mini rocket striking a young child resulting in some nasty burns to the child. I never saved the link, unfortunately. The below video is of a eGo battery explosion unrelated. Ego's use Li-Po lithium batteries, not a safe chemistry.
A regulated mod which allows autofiring has faulty protection circuitry. Most of these autofiring incidents resulting in fires are from regulated box mods which utilize a non-removeable Li-Po battery -- again not a safe chemistry.LouisLeBeau said:
Point being: IMR (Li-Mn) safe chemistry batteries may vent, but not as dramatically as an ICR or Li-Po battery, and will not vent with flames or explode. Any battery venting incident in any mod without adequate vent holes is a potential pipe bomb due to accumulating gas unable to escape an enclosed container. Batteries are designed to vent from their top. Most mods have vent holes in the bottom = poor design.
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The problem is not just that people want the cheapest high performance vape they can get, but that they also expect to get that from cheap batteries and chargers.
What we are involved in is a race to the bottom, rather than quality equipment and knowledgeable users.
That will persist as long as there is a disregard for the treatment and care of (any) batteries.
T
What we are involved in is a race to the bottom, rather than quality equipment and knowledgeable users.
That will persist as long as there is a disregard for the treatment and care of (any) batteries.
T
Curious. What 26650 batteries are you using that are 50 amps?
The only one that I'm aware of is the Panasonic CGR26650A 26650 mah 50 amp CDR battery (if you can find them).
I just meant the publicity wasn't good for vaping. Why do you always find the need to attack every post you come across.
I've seen a lot of news about mods exploding, injuries etc. and every time this happens we here at the forums discuss what happened andhow it could have been avoided, but the reality is that we always start talking about b&m irresponsibility for selling something to someone that doesn't know hot to use it, and it's true, but maybe we are wrong there...
I think mod makers, even clones should come with a warning and information about battery safety and ohms law etc. and I think us, the vapers should come up with that warning and then us asking all modmakers to print it and include it on their product. how hard could it be? it's definitely easier than to educate every b&m employee. just place a small receipt size paper with everything the buyer needs to understand before using it, eg. type of battery, recomended type of atties, etc.
it could be a copy/paste legend at least, so if they buy a mod and not knowing anything at least they know they need to take special care on certain areas
just my two cents
I think mod makers, even clones should come with a warning and information about battery safety and ohms law etc. and I think us, the vapers should come up with that warning and then us asking all modmakers to print it and include it on their product. how hard could it be? it's definitely easier than to educate every b&m employee. just place a small receipt size paper with everything the buyer needs to understand before using it, eg. type of battery, recomended type of atties, etc.
it could be a copy/paste legend at least, so if they buy a mod and not knowing anything at least they know they need to take special care on certain areas
just my two cents
Efest 3500 mah 50amp continuous... 100amp burstCurious. What 26650 batteries are you using that are 50 amps?
The only one that I'm aware of is the Panasonic CGR26650A 26650 mah 50 amp CDR battery (if you can find them).
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That figures.
Believe that if you wish, but purple Efests are notoriously well known for over-rated specs. Post a link to those batteries please.Purple Efest Batteries: Not As Advertised
That figures.
Purple Efest Batteries: Not As Advertised
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Thank you @Baditude I don't suffer shinyitis but when I do go shopping for my next mod it will be something that I can put my own imr into.
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