"Marry" up your multiple battery mods!!

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sawlight

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Thanks, I appreciate thread topics like this one. I've been in a comfort zone for almost the last 4 years, and need to refresh my knowledge as I'm having to expand my stash.
I don't plan to use anything that will require two, but good to know for just general info!


Well, sometimes I feel silly, because I read too fast and don't let the text absorb :laugh: before I post. :facepalm:
But that's what I love about this place, so many who are so helpful to share the information.
And so many (like you) who are quick to offer encouragement!
Even though I've been vaping for almost 4 years now, because I've used the same equipment, and simple top devices, I feel like a noob all over again. (Thanks FDA)


I would imagine there will be. As people hold on to old equipment, and old batteries.
The old equipment isn't an issue, most of the old equipment is single battery, so there won't be many problems with that. Old batteries, well, I'd like to think that wont be an issue as I hope? batteries will still be available.
The bigger picture is the newer equipment, that uses multiple batteries, and someone using older batteries in them at higher power outputs.
 

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Thanks for the information and warnings. All new vapers should be required to read this and pass a test a test before getting a multi-battery mod.
It's a nice thought, but with manufactures over rating batteries, and people caring less and less, but wanting more and more about devices, it's an uphill battle.
 

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I've been vaping for 6.5 years. I used to help new vapers in New Members forum and in Ask the Vets for years. Now I have no idea what they are talking about half the time. :lol:
Oh, I'd be completely lost, we'd have to go back to circa 2013 before I'd be any help. :laugh:

The old equipment isn't an issue, most of the old equipment is single battery, so there won't be many problems with that. Old batteries, well, I'd like to think that wont be an issue as I hope? batteries will still be available.
The bigger picture is the newer equipment, that uses multiple batteries, and someone using older batteries in them at higher power outputs.
I guess they need multiple batteries to push the huge watts. I won't be needing that. :)

p.s. - just noticed your sig lines. :facepalm: I heard/saw both (on the original shows) TOO FUNNY!!!:lol:
Full disclosure: I don't miss B&B, but DH, well he LOVED them!! :lol::lol::lol: huh, huh.....
 
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It's a nice thought, but with manufactures over rating batteries, and people caring less and less, but wanting more and more about devices, it's an uphill battle.

That's why God created @Mooch. I won't buy a battery that doesn't have his blessing.
 

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I see some people are aware of this, yet others are completely unaware of the possible dangers. Just because you are using a regulated mod it's not perfectly safe! You need to keep these batteries in matched or "married" sets to protect yourself.
When we say Married, we mean buy them brand new, just for this particular mod, two sets, three sets, one set, whatever you think you will need, and label them. It doesn't matter how you label them, you can use a magic marker, a label maker, fingernail polish, whatever you have that will last! It also doesn't matter how you label them, as long as YOU know what it means! You can go 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, whatever works for you, just so long as YOU know which battery goes with which.
Now your asking, "But I've got a regulated mod, it's got all these fancy safety features to protect me, why does this matter?" That's a great question, and I'm glad you asked it!
It matters because as you use batteries they build up more internal resistance, so they don't hold as much power as they used to, they don't charge up to the same voltage they used to, and they just don't have the amperage they used to. So you take the battery out of your old Hanna mod and throw it in your new rx200 with two brand new batteries. What's the weak link? It's not the protection circuitry, it's the old battery. The other two batteries are expecting the third to be as strong as they are so they are going to give it all they have and suck the weaker battery into thermal overload. OR, one, or both of the new batteries are going to have to work even harder to cover for the weaker one and go into thermal overload. Either way, it's on before the circuitry can do it's magic! Then you get the BOOM!!
Don't think it can happen? Go check out some of the threads on Candlepower forums sometime, I once saw a night watchmen blow up a newish Surefire 9P, using out of the box Surefire CR123A's. Burnt his hand, shot through the sheetrock, came out the siding and finally stopped 50' away after hitting a brick wall! Not a rechargeable battery, not an 18650, a new, out of the box 123A. What the conclusion was there was one bad cell in the box and one of the others in line was working so hard to compensate it went thermal and vented.
I've since gotten rid of all my multiple battery flashlights after a few of these incidents. Now that's a flashlight, pulling maybe 3 amps? Imagine that at 17amps!
So when I bust on people about marrying batteries, it's not just on a whim! There's also a reason I only use single battery mods, and I curse the revival of multiple battery mods, mechs in particular! So know your mod, know your battery, keep them married, keep them happy, please be safe out there!
Thanks for the topic everyone should get to know their equipment, I do have a question.
I have a set of married batteries maybe 2 months old with about 10 cycles on them, I usually take them out around 50% to charge them I noticed 1 battery takes longer to charge now the last 2 times. Should I divorce these 2 and use another married set or not?? Tia :)

P.S. Using an Istick 100w tc
 
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Thanks for the topic everyone should get to know their equipment, I do have a question.
I have a set of married batteries maybe 2 months old with about 10 cycles on them, I usually take them out around 50% to charge them I noticed 1 battery takes longer to charge now the last 2 times. Should I divorce these 2 and use another married set or not?? Tia :)

P.S. Using an Istick 100w tc
Unless you are noticing a drastic reduction in run times (on the mod in question) I'd say no, that may be your charger acting up? Try swapping the batteries around in the mod and charger and see what happens.
Also, are you charging them in the mod? Some of these mods are known for not charging all of the batteries equally.
In theory, again THEORY, at 10 cycles those batteries are just broken in, the average life span is 300 cycles.
 

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Unless you are noticing a drastic reduction in run times (on the mod in question) I'd say no, that may be your charger acting up? Try swapping the batteries around in the mod and charger and see what happens.
Also, are you charging them in the mod? Some of these mods are known for not charging all of the batteries equally.
In theory, again THEORY, at 10 cycles those batteries are just broken in, the average life span is 300 cycles.
Cool I will do what you suggested with swapping around to see what happens. Run time is about the same I have not noticed a drop there. The charger is a couple of years old intellicharger I4 it might be time for a new one. I never use the charge port on my mods with replaceable batteries, someone mentioned that to me early to get a charger. I am not a high wattage vaper so there is not to much stress on my batteries. Thanks a bunch for the answer and ideas on what to look for :)
 
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Thanks for the op! Never too much information on battery safety. I am no expert, but have made comments on occasion when somebody posts about getting a multiple battery mod. Now, having said that.......

I did my research before getting my first dual batter mod, a Sigelei 100+. Per Baditude's recommendations, I got 2 pair of Sony VTC4's and married them up and only charge on my Intelicharger I4. I keep track of the position I charge and install them and always revers them from the previous charge/use. I never go right from mod to charger or vice versa, letting them "rest" a few hours first. It's been working great and I'm believing I am as safe as I can be. But then I read JoeyC's post/question, which I have been wondering myself.....

I read somewhere here about not leaving a battery on the charger once it shows fully charged. But I also regularly have one show fully charged for some time before the other, but have been leaving both in until both show fully charged. I never paid close enough attention to tell if it is always the same battery or not, but will pay closer attention form now on. So, should I pull one of the married batteries as soon as it shows fully charged or leave both on until both are complete?

As far as running the same pair on different mods, I just got a Sigelei 213 that came with a pair of LG batteries that I immediately labeled and married up. Would I be OK with putting a pair of the married Sony's in the 213 while the LG's are charging? I was planning on picking up a pair of the LG 3000mah's, making it easy to differentiate which batteries go in which mod, but I was in no hurry until I read a couple of posts here.

One final comment, as far as labeling batteries. I have a couple mods that any addition to the circumference of the battery makes them quite tight in the mod. You might want to check before labeling a bunch of batteries for that mod.
 
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I read somewhere here about not leaving a battery on the charger once it shows fully charged. But I also regularly have one show fully charged for some time before the other, but have been leaving both in until both show fully charged. I never paid close enough attention to tell if it is always the same battery or not, but will pay closer attention form now on. So, should I pull one of the married batteries as soon as it shows fully charged or leave both on until both are complete?

This one is up to you. It also makes a difference on the particular charger. Some chargers will stop charging at full and not try to charge again till it's removed. Some will send a trickle charge to keep the device charged till you remove it. Some will start recharging as soon as it detects a drop under full. None of these should be a real issue if you are removing the device the day they charge. From empty they will take like 5 hours to charge and you are removing them way before you need to worry. But some people treat all batteries like old AA rechargeables that lost power so quickly they leave the battery on the charger till need them. Take them off the charger when they are done doesn't mean watch over them and the second they finish remove them. Don't throw batteries on the charger before going on vacation. Don't throw them on and then leave them there for 2 days when the other set is dead.
As far as running the same pair on different mods, I just got a Sigelei 213 that came with a pair of LG batteries that I immediately labeled and married up. Would I be OK with putting a pair of the married Sony's in the 213 while the LG's are charging? I was planning on picking up a pair of the LG 3000mah's, making it easy to differentiate which batteries go in which mod, but I was in no hurry until I read a couple of posts here.

The marrying isn't about devices it's about the batteries. You don't have to marry batteries to the devices (though I do, but not for safety reasons). So long as the pairs of batteries have always been together. So for example let's say you also had two eleaf pico's. Those are single battery mods. If your 213 batteries died don't go to your pico's and take the batteries out of those and put them in the 213. But let's say you had an Hcigar VT133, you could take the two of those and put them in the 213. I would like to add that the 213 in particular does a lot more battery monitoring then most devices. While I don't recommend not marrying batteries with it. It can draw more from one battery to make up the difference in another battery and will stop vaping if the batteries get low enough and there is voltage difference (.2v) and tell you that the batteries a unbalanced.
 

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Thanks, Topweasel. Confirms I am within acceptable practice with my batteries. I don't put them on the charger right after using them, I don't use them right after charging, I don't take them off the charger until both are fully charged (never noticed any substantial difference in charge times), and I never ever leave them on the charger when not there (other then bathroom breaks :D).

And I'm going to pick up a pair of the LG HG2 3000mah's for the 213 and keep my rotations simple.
 
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Thanks for the op! Never too much information on battery safety. I am no expert, but have made comments on occasion when somebody posts about getting a multiple battery mod. Now, having said that.......

I did my research before getting my first dual batter mod, a Sigelei 100+. Per Baditude's recommendations, I got 2 pair of Sony VTC4's and married them up and only charge on my Intelicharger I4. I keep track of the position I charge and install them and always revers them from the previous charge/use. I never go right from mod to charger or vice versa, letting them "rest" a few hours first. It's been working great and I'm believing I am as safe as I can be. But then I read JoeyC's post/question, which I have been wondering myself.....

I read somewhere here about not leaving a battery on the charger once it shows fully charged. But I also regularly have one show fully charged for some time before the other, but have been leaving both in until both show fully charged. I never paid close enough attention to tell if it is always the same battery or not, but will pay closer attention form now on. So, should I pull one of the married batteries as soon as it shows fully charged or leave both on until both are complete?

As far as running the same pair on different mods, I just got a Sigelei 213 that came with a pair of LG batteries that I immediately labeled and married up. Would I be OK with putting a pair of the married Sony's in the 213 while the LG's are charging? I was planning on picking up a pair of the LG 3000mah's, making it easy to differentiate which batteries go in which mod, but I was in no hurry until I read a couple of posts here.

One final comment, as far as labeling batteries. I have a couple mods that any addition to the circumference of the battery makes them quite tight in the mod. You might want to check before labeling a bunch of batteries for that mod.
As long as the batteries are "married" up, yes, you can swap them between mods, as long as it's a two or three battery mod to a two or three battery mod. Meaning you have a mod that takes two batteries and want to put them in another mod that takes two batteries, go for it! But as stated, don't take mismatched batteries and "mix and match" to get something going. That's where the problems come in. If you have two dual battery mods, or two triple battery mods, as long as the batteries are in "sets", you are fine to swap between them. It's taking two married batteries and adding a third of unknown condition, or however, that creates the issue.
Sorry, it's hard to convey through a keyboard.
 

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Great info and advice in this thread! I use a single battery mod and my husband uses a rechargeable, but it's great knowledge to have for the future if we decide on a 2 or 3 battery mod. Tbh, the 2 and 3 battery mods kinda scare me, but the more info I read about batteries, the more comfortable I feel about using them safely. Knowledge goes a long ways.
 
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I agrree with OP 100%. I label my batteries and yes i have several devices. A few single cell and a few dual cells and a couple triple cells. Now, with the exception of my triple cell devices i have married batteries for each class of mod. Class being a 200W, 150W, and 100W. I never use a set married pair of cells that i got for my 200W device with my 150W or 100W devices and vice versa. I have 8 batteries for my single cell mods, they are all 75W so no issue here. Never have i ever mixed batteries.
 

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I have single battery mods and a Nitecore 2 cell charger. It's worked out fine. I just ordered a 3 battery mod, and had to fork up out a new 4 cell Nitecore to maintain their "relationship". I should have just bought a 4 cell to begin with, but the 2 cell was on clearance from Provari, and I grabbed it without thinking. And while I could just usb charge the new mod, well.....no. So if you are getting an external charger, or replacing an old charger, buy with future expansion in mind.
 

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Bumping this back up, I was hoping it would attract more attention and stay up better than it has.
I'm thinking about breaking my own rules, no multi-battery mods. There's some killer deals on the 200w mods and the runtime would sure be nice on vacation! I've yet to go over 50 watts, but.......
 
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