Massachusetts banned e-cigs entirely... smh

[mn shutterbug]

Guess I missed that one. I did manage to find an eleaf istick on there today but it's just going to take a long time to get here, if you get my meaning.

 

[zelda]

Judge rejects Gov. Charlie Baker's appeal over vape sales ban ruling | Boston.com

 

[mn shutterbug]

Judge rejects Gov. Charlie Baker's appeal over vape sales ban ruling | Boston.com

I read the article and saw where 11 of the cases reported vaping nicotine alone. I have my doubts about that. I'm guessing they have no idea what else was in their juice or pods but don't want to admit it.

Also this - "However, Baker said, vaping was initially promoted as a safe alternative". It was originally a safe alternative and still is by those that vape responsibly.

 

[zelda]

They just won't stop.

Mass. Public Health Council approves emergency regulation for vape ban following Suffolk Superior Court ruling

 

[Yaker]

Has anyone figured out how to order online?
I tried a couple places but they wouldn't ship to MA
Thanks in advance for any help

 

[Mowgli]

Put stuff in cart
try "estimate shipping"
No shipping to Mass? Add to sh*tlist
try another site

 

[Yaker]

Thanks,
I kept filling out all the details only to find Out they wouldn't ship.
May have found one, but might take a while

 

[Mowgli]

Vape sales are still banned in Mass - Massachusetts' ban on vaping clears legal hurdle

 

[AttyPops]

^^ Sorry, dude.

 

[zelda]

I've thought from the start this was about taxing the out of ecigarettes/eliquid. This gives the legislature time to accomplish this.

I'm proud to be one of the early vapers and early forum members. It's tragic to see how this wonderful journey is ending up as.

 

[Astron]

They can take your car?????? https://malegislature.gov/Bills/191/H4183.pdf

 

[Katya]

 

[Astron]

I mean, what is HAPPENING?

getting your car taken away because you don’t have a receipt readily available for your vape? Please tell me I am wrong about this.

 

[AttyPops]

Supreme Court Limits Police Powers to Seize Private Property
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-1091_5536.pdf
Unanimous SCOTUS ruling, BTW.

The decision will not halt civil forfeitures, said Wesley P. Hottot, a lawyer with the Institute for Justice, which represented the Land Rover’s owner.

“People are still going to lose their property without being convicted of a crime, they’re still going to have their property seized,” Mr. Hottot said. “The new thing is that they can now say at the end of it all, whether I’m guilty or not, I can argue that it was excessive.”

So IDK.

 

[Katya]

I mean, what is HAPPENING?

getting your car taken away because you don’t have a receipt readily available for your vape? Please tell me I am wrong about this.

You should be happy that they can't cane you. Yet.

"Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem is a Latin passage and the official motto of the U.S. Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the University of Massachusetts Amherst. The phrase is often loosely translated into English as "By the sword we seek peace, but peace only under liberty." "

 

[Astron]

Supreme Court Limits Police Powers to Seize Private Property
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-1091_5536.pdf
Unanimous SCOTUS ruling, BTW.



So IDK.

I hear you...my rebuttal would be (and I know you are not posing an argument) is that your average Joe Vaper ain’t got money for an attorney.

IF my interpretation is correct...this is going to be a mightily big CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE that WILL get a LOT more attention.

 

[AttyPops]

I mean, what is HAPPENING?

getting your car taken away because you don’t have a receipt readily available for your vape? Please tell me I am wrong about this.

Normally, these B.S. laws are used against illegal drug DEALERS. However, I'm sure there's further abuses that are for non-dealers, just possessors.

One of the reasons I voted to legalize the green here in MI, is because of these types of draconian laws and the abject failure of not only our criminal justice system, but also of the treatment programs which are usually inadequate to solve the addiction problems, if they can be solved at all.

It's worse for other stuff.

But in the case of NIC...well...that's a LEGAL drug. So now we're talking about "vape devices"?

I swear, we fell into an alternate universe sometime around 1980, and it's just degrading more and more every day.

 

[Katya]

I swear, we fell into an alternate universe sometime around 1980, and it's just degrading more and more every day.

Ya think? From the world's foremost sanctuary city:

Police detain a man for eating a sandwich on a San Francisco BART platform - CNN

 

[Astron]

How many times in a row am I allowed to use the emoji before I alert the admins.

 

[AttyPops]

Ya think? From the world's foremost sanctuary city:

Police detain a man for eating a sandwich on a San Francisco BART platform - CNN

Meh. The guy escalated the fine to detainment (totally predictable). Maybe try the OUTSIDE on that one. There's a thread about cops/authority.
I don't want to get into it here. Trying to stay e-cig related.