Massachusetts banned e-cigs entirely... smh

[Uncle Willie]

I just think that Any Reasonable Judge would want to know what Exactly went into Declaring a "Public Health Emergency"?

And Why this Ban is so Time Sensitive, that it has to be Immediate? Verses say a Ban in 30 Days were Effected Parties have a Chance to Present a Case in Court.

So Grant the Injunction and lets let Everyone present their case.

Because even if the Ban is Overturned 3 Months from now, Isn't there going to be about the Same Amount of shop Closures and people Out of Work as what is happening right Now?

Unless your questions are just rhetorical, I think they are moot .. the deal is done, and it's up to the vape Shops and the Great Vapers of Massachusetts to take what action they deem appropriate ..

 

[Houndstooth]

I believe Fastech takes bitcoin and sells many things besides vape stuff. vaping is a basket of cats. There are millions of cats.

The Boston Tea Party just came to mind. Hmmm...

The governors ban applies to sellers. The penalties apply to sellers. There is nothing about adult consumer buying or posession.

No, unless you assess ramifications of the inability to have supplies shipped here.

 

[zoiDman]

Unless your questions are just rhetorical, I think they are moot .. the deal is done, and it's up to the Vape Shops and the Great Vapers of Massachusetts to take what action they deem appropriate ..

I would say Many (Most?) B&M Vape shops could go a Week without Face-2-Face sales if they Had to. Because Most B&M also have a Online side.

And a Week is about what it would take to get an Injunction prepared and Filled.

 

[Mowgli]

2 out of the 3 shops that I visit in my area say they'll stay open until the SS physically appear and force them to shut down. I don't know about the third.
Governor Negan DGAF about American citizens & families or harm reduction.
It's always about the money. This time it's #MSAbloodmoney

Gov Baker last night

 

[Uncle Willie]

I would say Many (Most?) B&M Vape shops could go a Week without Face-2-Face sales if they Had to. Because Most B&M also have a Online side.

And a Week is about what it would take to get an Injunction prepared and Filled.

Well, then, I'm sure we'll read about what the Vape Shops and the Great Vapers of Massachusetts decide to do .. the first order of business is to raise a basket of shekels ..

I don't know if CASA does much financially as far as these scenarios go .. I'm sure they are stretched pretty thin these days ..

CASAA

 

[AttyPops]

Horsefeathers. We had a vibrant free market in vape products with an almost infinite number of choices from thousands of vendors both small and large right up until the government started interfering with it.

The only way that BT can "own" the market in the absence of government intervention is to sell a better product that their competitors. They've been trying to create a better product for as long as I've been vaping (almost 6 years) and have failed miserably each time. So they bought into one independent company that did make a better product, and although it appears they "own" half the market in terms of dollars, that product (Juul) is so over-priced that's the wrong way to look at things. If we look at the number of vapers that actually buy BT products, it's quite small (likely under 25%).

Yeah, because Walmart sells all better products than the local USA made shops..... /snark

They could GIVE Juul away to own the market. State by state. Free Juul on every carton of smokes.

You're dream'n bud. But it's a nice dream, and if it's any consolation, in your own way I think you're an optimist.

 

[rosesense]

YUP, was just going to order from myfreedomsmokes when I notice their nic price went up! NOT a nice thing to do to loyal customers, especially during vape bans.

Who else is holding their prices for unflavored nic? I used to buy at OneStopDIY until they stopped selling nic, and I've been a loyal customer of myfreedomsmokes for a couple of years now....but not if they're gonna be jacking their prices up.

Heartland is well liked and reasonable prices.

 

[sofarsogood]

No, unless you assess ramifications of the inability to have supplies shipped here.

I don't know what you mean by "inability to have supplies shipped". If Fastech takes your money they are going to ship to the address provided. They have no reason to do otherwise at this point. A State attorney general is not going to be a bother for an offshore business. Hey, I could be wrong. I expect people in MA will place orders. May be we'll hear if they are received. If the Feds decide they want to open a new front in the drug war, turn millions of citizens into criminals, that would discourage plenty of vapers but I don't see that happening.

 

[rosesense]

I think online is the key. When I started vaping, there were no vape shops in my area and it is a fairly large city. If they could all continue with an online presence, the shops could probably make it until we see what shakes out. For the ones not allowed, they are probably toast and I feel for them.

 

[rosesense]

I don't know what you mean by "inability to have supplies shipped". If Fastech takes your money they are going to ship to the address provided. They have no reason to do otherwise at this point. A State attorney general is not going to be a bother for an offshore business. Hey, I could be wrong. I expect people in MA will place orders. May be we'll hear if they are received. If the Feds decide they want to open a new front in the drug war, turn millions of citizens into criminals, that would discourage plenty of vapers but I don't see that happening.

Just curious if you were vaping when the overseas shipments were all being confiscated?

 

[RedForeman]

If the Feds decide they want to open a new front in the drug war, turn millions of citizens into criminals, that would discourage plenty of vapers but I don't see that happening.

I never expected to see sudden, state-wide bans issued by executive order. However, we now see 3 and more in the works. Never say never.

 

[Rossum]

Yeah, because Walmart sells all better products than the local USA made shops..... /snark

Walmart sells cheaper products for less. Kinda like Fasttech.

They could GIVE Juul away to own the market. State by state. Free Juul on every carton of smokes.

Yeah, they could. But so what? That doesn't mean they'd "own" the market.

 

[AttyPops]

2 out of the 3 shops that I visit in my area say they'll stay open until the SS physically appear and force them to shut down. I don't know about the third.
Governor Negan DGAF about American citizens & families or harm reduction.
It's always about the money. This time it's #MSAbloodmoney

That MIGHT (as in I'm not an attorney, nor would I advise this if I were one) not be a bad idea. I mean, if the order is ruled invalid, they can claim damages. Maybe they could either way, but it's also protest. I mean, make them arrest all vape shop owners....

Down side is the fines/penalties if it's not thrown out.

So yeah...

Jackboots on the way to em, I'm sure.

 

[AttyPops]

I think online is the key. When I started vaping, there were no vape shops in my area and it is a fairly large city. If they could all continue with an online presence, the shops could probably make it until we see what shakes out. For the ones not allowed, they are probably toast and I feel for them.

Yep it is. That's why they'll kill it soon. Nationally. The Fed. They have to. Regardless if you buy into the "Save the children" or if you buy into "Grand conspiracy" it all ends up in the same place.

(Sorry, RS. I have a very sour mood today)

 

[MsBree]

I went ahead and bought from MFS at the higher price. I finished mixing with a liter of nic bought from MFS 5 years ago. It was perfect. Then I opened another 100 mg liter from MFS that's been in my freezer just as long and it looked perfect. It's hard for me to ignore that proven track record for such an important item.

This is great to hear, 5 years! I've heard nic can be stored in the freezer for extended period, but never knew exactly how long "extended" meant! We know now a minimum of 5 years! cool!!!

 

[MsBree]

Heartland is well liked and reasonable prices.

Thank you! Will check them out! Was looking at ecigexpress cause they're keeping their price down so far. They have good reviews, but I've never purchased nic from them before.

 

[sofarsogood]

Just curious if you were vaping when the overseas shipments were all being confiscated?

Please site specific examples.

 

[Rossum]

This is great to hear, 5 years! I've heard nic can be stored in the freezer for extended period, but never knew exactly how long "extended" meant! We know now a minimum of 5 years! cool!!!

Some people have had it in 7+ years. No problems in the freezer, in glass bottles. But do not store your nic base at room temperature.

 

[sofarsogood]

This is great to hear, 5 years! I've heard nic can be stored in the freezer for extended period, but never knew exactly how long "extended" meant! We know now a minimum of 5 years! cool!!!

The forum consensus seems to be indefinitely. My hunch is over even longer periods the potency might decrease slightly. Amber glass bottles stored in the freezer is the norm. Not a bad idea to put in a zip lock bag wrapped in bubble wrap. The major threat to nic is dropping the bottle.

 

[MsBree]

Some people have had it in 7+ years. No problems in the freezer, in glass bottles. But do not store your nic base at room temperature.

YUP, I saw the differences between the two, room temp and freezer. That's a no-brainer!