Massachusetts banned e-cigs entirely... smh

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I don't know what you mean by "inability to have supplies shipped". If fastech takes your money they are going to ship to the address provided. They have no reason to do otherwise at this point. A State attorney general is not going to be a bother for an offshore business. Hey, I could be wrong. I expect people in MA will place orders. May be we'll hear if they are received. If the Feds decide they want to open a new front in the drug war, turn millions of citizens into criminals, that would discourage plenty of vapers but I don't see that happening.

I should have clarified. I prefer buying my mixing supplies within the US, true or not, believing the products are regulated. Chinese liquids make me uncomfortable.
 

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I should have clarified. I prefer buying my mixing supplies within the US, true or not, believing the products are regulated.
They haven't been regulated, but above-board US vendors generally wish to avoid getting sued.

Chinese liquids make me uncomfortable.
You're not the only one who feels that way.
 

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Because sweeping government overreach tends to only gain momentum, not diminish. 2A supporters aren't stupid. They see the recent vape panic and know it's an easy stepping stone toward even more similar types of government actions.

As a 2A supporter myself, it's easy to see the parallels in the government control playbook being enacted.

Ok that's all good and well, I don't disagree. However it doesn't answer my question of what peeps are going to do with this ammo? ;) When does the shooting start, what sweeping government overreach is overreaching enough to make that path popular.

I am not advocating that route, hell I'm not even in the USA.
Regardless it seems like noise to me, more ammo... whooooo skerry, now bend over I'm from the guberment.

"When I want your opinion I'll tell you what it is" sincerely your elected officials.
 

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Ok that's all good and well, I don't disagree. However it doesn't answer my question of what peeps are going to do with this ammo? ;) When does the shooting start, what sweeping government overreach is overreaching enough to make that path popular.

I am not advocating that route, hell I'm not even in the USA.
Regardless it seems like noise to me, more ammo... whooooo skerry, now bend over I'm from the guberment.

"When I want your opinion I'll tell you what it is" sincerely your elected officials.

If you're inquiring as to when the masses will draw a line in the sand it's long away. Dosed from the sky with lithium and barium, lulled by the glowing box in the living-room, suckling fluoridated aqua, the US masses are completely docile, paralyzed by fear and anesthetized to reality.
 

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    Ok that's all good and well, I don't disagree. However it doesn't answer my question of what peeps are going to do with this ammo? ;) When does the shooting start, what sweeping government overreach is overreaching enough to make that path popular.

    I am not advocating that route, hell I'm not even in the USA.
    Regardless it seems like noise to me, more ammo... whooooo skerry, now bend over I'm from the guberment.

    "When I want your opinion I'll tell you what it is" sincerely your elected officials.
    As someone who is into sport shooting, USPSA, IPSC, Bullseye, plinking and shoot over 10,000 rounds a year,
    I'm glad I stocked up years ago. What I bought then is almost 10 times the cost it is today.
    Am well stocked with primers, powder, lead, brass, also.
     
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    If you're inquiring as to when the masses will draw a line in the sand it's long away. Dosed from the sky with lithium and barium, lulled by the glowing box in the living-room, suckling fluoridated aqua, the US masses are completely docile, paralyzed by fear and anesthetized to reality.
    OK, so.... TV, and chem trails.

    I buy the TV part, I think. At least they're sometimes complicit in it. Others in media, though, have cast shade on the stated "reasons".
     

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    the US masses are completely docile, paralyzed by fear and anesthetized to reality.

    I agree with that, chem trails I dunno, I'm skeptical at best. US TV however yeah it is very toxic!

    Sing along peeps "I am the slime from your video, can't stop the slime people look at me go" - FZ
     
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    Ok that's all good and well, I don't disagree. However it doesn't answer my question of what peeps are going to do with this ammo?
    Sorry for not giving a more definitive answer. I did that deliberately so as not to derail the discussion with guns. The very nature of your question suggests you don't know much if anything about firearm ownership. I see your located in Canada, so I'll take the high road and give you the respect of honest, straight answers. If you're trolling then whatever.

    My reason for stocking up is the same as people who are panic buying vape stuff. To have it before I can't get it (easily) any more. Truth: I'm not stocking up on ammo. Very few Americans are. To be honest, ammo really isn't under any threat of prohibition at the moment. At least in Georgia. There are a few cities and states in the USA that have restrictions. I do keep what I believe is a modest supply of ammo in my safe with the firearms.

    My primary reason for owning guns is recreation. I take them to the range. It's a lot less expensive to buy from online dealers than at a gun store or range (often one and the same). So I use my supply at the range, then re-stock what I consumed more or less. Just like vape stuff, it pays to wait/watch for sales. I don't go often, because it's expensive. 5.56 NATO costs about 30¢ per round, shipped to my door. My last two trips to the range I went through 90 and 60 rounds each. Other calibers I use are in that same ballpark, price-wise.

    Seems the gun control hot topic of the day is scary looking semi-automatic rifles and magazines that hold more than a few rounds, thanks to a very short list of crazy people and their sensational murder scenes. Until a month ago, I never really cared about rifles that much. What I already have is adequate and probably better suited for home defense.

    But, with the entire panel of Democratic 2020 presidential hopefuls tripping all over themselves with promises of a Constitutional end run, I decided to buy a "might be prohibited soon" rifle and some 30 round magazines to go with it. Because I can. Period. The new rifle and accessories look great in my safe with the guns I already own, and performed well at the range when I took them out a couple weeks ago.

    At the end of the day, in my heart of hearts, I believe the chances of the government kicking in my door for anything is nearly zero. Would I take up arms in protest of something like that? I don't know. The determining factor would be what sort of deadly threat was presented to me and my family versus minding my own business and staying clear of the conflict. I'm a rational, law abiding citizen with nothing to prove to anyone.
     

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    If you're inquiring as to when the masses will draw a line in the sand it's long away. Dosed from the sky with lithium and barium, lulled by the glowing box in the living-room, suckling fluoridated aqua, the US masses are completely docile, paralyzed by fear and anesthetized to reality.

    I'm generally a glass half full guy .. chilling Post, though (actually disturbing) .. wearing the old Tin Foil hat, are you .. ??
     

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    Well, then, I'm sure we'll read about what the Vape Shops and the Great Vapers of Massachusetts decide to do .. the first order of business is to raise a basket of shekels ..

    I don't know if CASA does much financially as far as these scenarios go .. I'm sure they are stretched pretty thin these days ..

    CASAA

    The 1st order of Business is to File one of these...

    https://vaportechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2019-09-24-Verified-Petition-New-York.pdf

    And Thank God it Doesn't take a Truck Load of Money to file one.
     
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    It's not the filing that costs .. filing is cheap .. it's the Attorneys ..

    Doing an Injunction Really Isn't where the Money Pit is.

    It's when a Judge Grants a Temporary Stay on this Ban. And Now you have to do a Long, Protracted, Fight against the State, which Basically has Unlimited Funds, to get a Permanent Ruling.
     

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    Maybe Not. But PayPal Isn't taking this Lightly.

    And if FT doesn't have Paypal, they Don't have Much.

    I touched on this in another response. If PayPal, Ebay, Amazon, Discover, Amex, Visa, et al, get righteous and jump on the save-the-children bandwagon it will cripple on-line sales regardless of executive action or legislation.
     

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    I touched on this in another response. If PayPal, Ebay, Amazon, Discover, Amex, Visa, et al, get righteous and jump on the save-the-children bandwagon it will cripple on-line sales regardless of executive action or legislation.

    It Isn't so much that someone like Paypal might want to "Save a Child". All though I guess that is Possible.

    It's when they Receive a Notice from the Feds saying that we Hope you have Not been a Willing Participant in an Illegal Transaction that might have Violated a Tobacco Regulation.

    That's the kind of thing that would keep a Paypal Lawyer(s) up at night.
     
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    It Isn't so much that someone like Paypal might want to "Save a Child". All thought I guess that is Possible.

    It's when they Receive a Notice from the Feds saying that we Hope you have Not been a Willing Participant in an Illegal Transaction that might have Violated a Tobacco Regulation.

    That's the kind of thing that would keep a Paypal Lawyer(s) up at night.

    Agreed, but my point is that some of these companies could take voluntary steps to curtail the on-line sale/purchase/shipping of things they may disapprove of, even absent a legal threat, as a virtue signal.
     

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    Classy, I don't want to make more work for ya, but are we gonna have a thread for each state as it comes up? 'Cuz we'll have 50 of em soon. :(

    No offense to the OP either. But given this cascade, maybe it's time to consolidate. I mean, misery loves company, so let's not disperse too much! ;)

    What do others think?


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