Even better would be identifying the quantity required to be possibly dangerous. Kind of like if you do not want excess radiation exposure don't live in a house built of brick. Higher levels than a wood house due to the small amounts of radioactive elements found in the rocks used to make bricks. Granted it's pretty low dose but it's still there. You can avoid even that little slight risk by moving, but you need to decide your own comfort level for that risk.
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Even better would be identifying the quantity required to be possibly dangerous. Kind of like if you do not want excess radiation exposure don't live in a house built of brick. Higher levels than a wood house due to the small amounts of radioactive elements found in the rocks used to make bricks. Granted it's pretty low dose but it's still there. You can avoid even that little slight risk by moving, but you need to decide your own comfort level for that risk.
I wholeheartedly agree, but I'm not in a position to undertake a multi-decadal epidemiological study in order to determine what quantities of diketones might pose a significant risk to vapers. All I can say is that so far we're not seeing a lot of (or any, actually) vapers keeling over as a result of vaping too much custard.
Our tap water in the desert is worse than any juice on the market
Most of the time it runs between 900-1200ppm. We have two RO systems
Wow! That high? I used to keep saltwater reef tanks and made my own synthetic seawater. I needed as close to 0 ppm to mix into and used a RO / DI system for tap water of 30-40 ppm. If I had to deal with 1000 ppm water I would have gone through one RO filter a month.
Yep. Its twice the federal safe limits for drinking water, but its California so federal law is irrelevant.
Each unit gets 2 new filters and a new membrane every year.
40 miles north in Palm springs, tap water is 125-200ppms.
I told ya Cali doesn't care about its residents.
Only the wealthy matter here and the people keep voting the same crooks back in office.
The membranes are very expensive for the true RO performance. Even with prefilters I'm surprised you get a year out of one. I forget one of the few really good things in NY is the tapwater. What you have coming out of the tap without filtration would barely be a step above drinking mud.
It also contains glass, which if ingested could be fatal!
Yea you cant drink it.
It'll clog yer kidneys.
Here's the punch line...
We actually have to pay for it.
Welcome to California.
I disagree. I've read lists of potential ingredients in cigarettes, but not what was specifically in each brand. And I gave up my unsuccessful search to determine what was added to make cigarettes "fire safe." I didn't see that one coming - just suddenly one day my Marlboros tasted weird and had a hard draw. A clerk at the liquor store explained the regulation to me. That's when I started buying native brands off the Rez. It was another 18 months or so before they were required to comply with the "fire safe" regulation.
The problem with that is that vaping is new.
I'm sure nobody died of smoking related illnesses in the first ten years after the invention of the cigarette.
I think there may have been, but the connection to smoking wouldn't have been made (or confirmed, even if suspected).
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Sure. Vaping is new, and we haven't had time to really assess the risks involved. That said, extrapolating from what we do know it seems clear that vaping is a lot safer than smoking, right? If I had to place a bet, I'd actually put my money on certain forms of vaping being better for you than not vaping, but... there's no way to be sure at this point.
I just found this:
Flavored E-cigarette Liquids Reduce Proliferation and Viability in the CALU3 Airway Epithelial Cell Line. - PubMed - NCBI
And this:
Vapors produced by electronic cigarettes and e-juices with flavorings induce toxicity, oxidative stress, and inflammatory response in lung epitheli... - PubMed - NCBI
Not very encouraging, although I still doubt there's much real world risk.
Flavored E-cigarette Liquids Reduce Proliferation and Viability in the CALU3 Airway Epithelial Cell Line. - PubMed - NCBI
And this:
Vapors produced by electronic cigarettes and e-juices with flavorings induce toxicity, oxidative stress, and inflammatory response in lung epitheli... - PubMed - NCBI
Not very encouraging, although I still doubt there's much real world risk.
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I have the same weed whacker, but it doesn't cut the stuff here in Nevada.[emoji2]
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A kid just choked on his mom's finger spinner, it was in the news. Where was the warning label?[emoji3]
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Ours comes with kidney stones straight from the tap! Nevada is the "no warning label" state.[emoji3]Our tap water in the desert is worse than any juice on the market
Most of the time it runs between 900-1200ppm. We have two RO systems
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I'm not familiar with the first study, but the second one sounds like when they exposed living lung tissue to e-cigarette vapor and found "significant cell damage" after seven days. The part they usually leave out of the news reports is that they "couldn't form a comparison" to cigarette smoke, because that killed the cells off within the first 24 hours.
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