May contain Diacetyl formaldehyde etc...
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You need to read more, there's been lots of testing done, and it's not "we don't know", it's "we can't find ANYTHING".. as in: no damage, no sign of any effect at all.
Lung tissue has not showed any sign of having any effect from everything they threw at it.
Seriously, if you don't think that there's been any testing done when the anti-vape groups have been looking for a smoking gun for the last few years, they would have found it already.
And that's why they are doing these labels and such with the mentality "Well, we haven't found anything YET, but let's make it look as bad as possible and discredit it!".
Let's shoot to kill first and then check the ID of the 1 year old orphans in that building... some might be terrorists.
Potentially harmful, potential disadvantage, potential risk,,, lol.
You mean like the water that comes from your tap, the air you breathe in a populated area, air fresheners, fumes from burning candles, fried foods, grilled foods, soft drinks, energy drinks, aspirin, nuts, cookies,cakes & pie, alcohol - the list is endless...
Vast amounts,,, lol.
My liquids contain 3% to a maximum of 8% flavorings.
For every 100ml of liquid only 3ml - 8ml of it is flavorings.
If you're someone that likes high VG heavily flavored & sweetened goop there are liquids that contain 20% or more flavorings to compensate for the vg's flavor muting effect.
Big difference between 3mls & 20mls of flavoring in a single 100ml bottle.
As with anything the dosage defines risk, everything in moderation nothing in excess.
The anti vaping propaganda is effective on some folks that vape too.
You mean like the water that comes from your tap, the air you breathe in a populated area, air fresheners, fumes from burning candles, fried foods, grilled foods, soft drinks, energy drinks, aspirin, nuts, cookies,cakes & pie, alcohol - the list is endless...
Vast amounts,,, lol.
My liquids contain 3% to a maximum of 8% flavorings.
For every 100ml of liquid only 3ml - 8ml of it is flavorings.
If you're someone that likes high VG heavily flavored & sweetened goop there are liquids that contain 20% or more flavorings to compensate for the vg's flavor muting effect.
Big difference between 3mls & 20mls of flavoring in a single 100ml bottle.
As with anything the dosage defines risk, everything in moderation nothing in excess.
The anti vaping propaganda is effective on some folks that vape too.
You're quite right that they haven't found anything yet, but they also haven't tested all of the flavorings and combinations of flavorings.
As I keep saying, my personal feeling is that flavorings probably don't do any harm, but we don't have enough data yet to be certain.
I also agree that a lot of these researchers have set out to discredit vaping, and the fact that they haven't been able to do so is doubly encouraging.
However, we don't know everything yet, and it may turn out that certain types, concentrations or combinations of flavoring can be harmful.
Again, I think that this is probably not the case, and all the evidence that we have so far is very encouraging.
Right- it is extremely difficult to rule out the possibility of harm when it comes to consuming _anything_ in any way. I've seen people misunderstand you in other threads when you point this out, but it's simply true. My morning coffee is a witch's brew of chemicals, many of which would be considered carcinogens if held to the standards artificial ingredients are. That said, the best guess we have right now is that coffee is on net good for most people.
Diacetyl and related compounds are a trickier case. We do know that inhaling large amounts of these compounds over a long period of time can lead to serious disease. Of the flavors people vape they are probably the most suspect when it comes to safety. As is pretty much always true, the dose makes the poison. I'm inclined to think that they are not a very serious concern for most vapers, but that might not be true for someone who goes through 30 mils a day of Cap Vanilla V1 mixed at 10%.
If it's a concern for you you should do your own research, and come to your own conclusions. It's certainly possible to vape flavored juice and avoid diacetyl and related compounds in all but trace quantities. They have a quite distinct flavor profile (which is why they are used in juice) so once you learn to recognize them you'll probably know if they're present in large quantities in any juice you vape.
Even the 20% stuff....What percentage out of that 20% make up what anyone might worry about........Key phrase "possible trace amounts"
Go read my blog, I have a whole chunk dedicated to diacetyl....
You probably already know this, but just for anyone that doesn't:
That percentage of "flavoring" that people buy and uses, is actually a concentrate that is already very diluted in PG. ( a few in VG, but not that many)
So the amount of actual flavouring that people are actually using is VERY SMALL.
yep....exactly what I was getting at....add to that already tiny amount, what amount of THAT is in question?
It has been a very long time since I bought any e-liquid since I like what I make. I am curious....has adding food coloring become wide spread? I know I have some beautifully colored e-liquids but there was no food coloring involved in getting them to that color.
The point is to put the least "extra/unneeded" stuff in anything.
Food coloring has already been showed to have certain health issues, and no one, not a single e-liquid maker had gone that route for a reason. (at least that I know of)
I know that you keep being passive-aggressive in a lot of your posts, but at some point, you're passing the point of curious and devil's advocate and into "looking for anything to validate something that must prove that vaping is bad".
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Not that I know of, I've never seen a single store bottle that appeared to have any, and I've never heard of anyone stating that any brand of liquid has any.
If there is someone that does it, they would be doing more damage than they realize.
Not sure what the direct effect of vaping colouring might have but if it's not made benign in the vaporization process, people would probably end up with coloured tongues.
I eat the occasional twinkie too... I live dangerously.. someday, I might die... (shudder)
Perhaps labels with lies on them will prevent my death..
Lol..
Does the company have lab reports on their website? I know some do with listed ppb.
No, I'm just pointing out that all the arguments that are applied to food coloring apply equally to flavorings.
As it happens, I have used a starfruit flavoring that made me wheeze like an accordion, so there's an example of a flavoring having a negative effect.
And I am most certainly not claiming that vaping is bad, in fact I'm certain that it has saved thousands of lives, mine included.
You might want to check out the formaldehyde thread where I was in complete agreement with you before you decide that I am somehow against vaping or some kind of safety nazi.
No worries, I don't think of you that way, just stating that you've been coming off a bit much as " well what about this then"... heck, I wouldn't put unscented soap in my vape just because it states in the ingredients that it contains VG, but I'm sure someone probably will at some point. (I've seen a video of someone puffing on hot sauce, can't remember if it was with a vaping kit or they soaked a cigarette in hot sauce, but it was pretty pathetic)...
That said, and about your question/comment, people have allergies to just about anything, some including their own sweat, the sun, water, etc. so it's a given that some molecules will trigger some people to have a reaction. Doesn't mean that the molecule is a poison for 99.99999999999999999999999% of the population, but it is for that one person. Do we ban the one thing that has this molecule?
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