I doubt you'd make it to the emergency room. Food coloring, I really don't get...I wish my juices would stay crystal clear. They keep turning that deliciously custardy yellow!
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Fairly certain that there is a manufacturer that has a blue eliquid. Dyed? One would think....
Heisenberg (The Blue)
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Looks more like it's just the bottle that's colored according to the "flavor" (something quite common)... if you can find pictures of the actual liquid to confirm, it would be better.
Edit: looked it up, and yup, it does appear that they use colouring.
I checked more about coloring, and some people are stating that the amount is very small and shouldn't be a risk, but needs to be proper type of coloring. Water/PG based, very high quality refined stuff, and not grocery store stuff.
That said, I wouldn't.
Some flavoring oxidize anyways and have a tint already.... plus nicotine does add a fairly large amount of yellowing with steeping, that should be enough for most people I'd believe.
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As I see it, could there be something harmful in e juice? Sure there could, but I have to listen to my body. When I smoked, I knew I was going to die, I could feel it. Not only that, I knew it was not going to be a quick painless death, on the contrary, I could feel the slow death coming on each day. Now I have energy to burn, endurance for days and just overall feel 100% better than I have in 20 years. With those results, I really don't care about the science. I also have moved down from 24MG to 3MG juice over time. I will stop vaping as well someday. Let's not forget this is an avenue to quit smoking. if you treat it as a replacement, and are considering vaping for life, then this discussion may have merit.... to me, and I believe most vapers.....not so much.
I want to be a plowfessionah vapah like I see on the youtubes..... If I'm going to stick in it for the long haul, I better make the switch to unflavored
Me too - I started on 12mg and am now down to 4.5mg.
I'm finding this latest switch to be a little more difficult though - my liquid consumption has risen.
If it doesn't settle down, I'll go back up to 5 or 6 for a while before I try going down again.
One day I'll give up completely, but I'm not in any hurry.
Actually you probably don't. Most flavoring companies phased out diacetyl years ago. You're probably vaping Acetyl Propyniol though, but that's just splitting hairs
I hear diacetyl is even more delicious than AP though. Flavourart has diacetyl in some of their food flavors that they don't sell for vaping. You can buy it from their site in Italy. "Croissant" is supposed to be absolutely out of this world delicious.
I make my own....Capella V1 supposedly might have a little. AP is a whole different flavor....kinda like Fritos....I have that tooActually you probably don't. Most flavoring companies phased out diacetyl years ago. You're probably vaping Acetyl Propyniol though, but that's just splitting hairs
I hear diacetyl is even more delicious than AP though. Flavourart has diacetyl in some of their food flavors that they don't sell for vaping. You can buy it from their site in Italy. "Croissant" is supposed to be absolutely out of this world delicious.
What do you mean you make " your own " ? You make your own diacetyl ? Capella V1 does not have diacetyl as far as i know, are you sure it does ?
People use the term "diacetyl" generically to mean any diketone, just like some people down south call soda, coke. There's very little diacetyl in commercially sold ejuice, and most companies use Capella V1, which is chock full of Acetyl Propyniol ( a diketone similar to diacetyl ), not to be confused with Acetyl Pyrazine, which diy'ers call AP.
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I found the hardest was going from 12 to 6 ( I always cut down by half) I vaped my face off for about 6 weeks after that. going from 6 to 3 has been a cake walk by compare. Don't give up with the switch, who cares if you look like a house fire, you'll settle back to regular.
Nope, not sure at all. I know they say they don't ADD any but I've never heard them say it doesn't CONTAIN any. All I know is they send it to me by the barrel!
And thanks....I gots my ap's mixed up. This post is actually a good example of my concern.
For some odd reason, going from 8mg to 7mg was the hardest one for me. Well, that and this latest one from 5mg to 4.5mg.
I've been going down in 1mg increments, but I noticed it was getting more difficult, so the last step down was 0.5mg (from 5 to 4.5).
I don't think I had allowed myself to become fully accustomed to 5mg before I did this, so I think stepped down a bit too fast.
I mix batches of around 200ml. If I haven't become accustomed to 4.5mg by the time I finish this batch, I'm going to go back up to 5mg or maybe even 6mg and make sure I'm fully stabilized before I go down again.
I may even start going down in 0.25mg increments. I'm in no rush, and I'll get there in the end.
I think I'm going to level out for a while once I get to 3mg.
Yep, which is why I refer to "diacetyl and related compounds," rather than saying diacetyl, or just saying acetyl propionyl, etc. You're right that that might be a bit misleading though- diacetyl itself is rarely used in juice flavorings these days, and while some related compounds can break down into diacetyl the quantities involved are small, if I understand what I've read correctly.
At any rate, I'm unaware of any case in which these compounds, used as flavorings in juice, have been even accused of causing actual disease, let alone shown to have done so (note that someone _has_ sued makers of microwave popcorn, claiming that they were seriously damaged by its fumes when microwaving it... smdh.) That doesn't mean that they're 100% safe to vape, but... well, this probably warrants some study, and the most conservative thing would be to avoid these compounds, and perhaps flavors in general.
I think this is something everyone should do their own research on, and come to their own conclusions about, but I'm not very worried about it, given what we know right now. I'll continue to buy the V1/non-DX flavors.
We should indeed keep things in perspective. I won't go into detail, as it would be depressing, but I had a ringside seat when my Mom died of lung cancer. I'm sure a fair number of forum members have been through that as well. We're all going to die, eventually, but you're quite right that that's not a pleasant way to go.
Considering how many have been vaping for years and intend to continue, to be honest, it's not just the nicotine, it's the stimulation, oral/mouth and fingers that some can't do without.
Most "serious" smokers may be fine with vaping, but should somehow it gets killed/banned/etc. many would return to smoking, of that I have absolutely no doubt.
But a silver lining: Those fidget spinners for ADHD have been very popular with the vaping community.
Don't forget gluten-free haircuts, gluten-free oil filters, gluten-free satellite installation, etc...
"Pluid" is bright green.
Careful. If I recall, what happened was this: several workers in a microwave popcorn-processing plant got the disease. Upon testing, it was found that the plant had higher levels of diacetyl (a component of the "artificial butter flavor") in the air than at similar facilities, and so they said "ah-hah, that must be it!" and the blame was placed on the diacetyl. As far as I know, it was never actually shown to be a cause, just a correlation. And as we all know, correlation does not equal causation.
Sorry I'm late to this thread, but we're under an air quality alert today for high pollution levels, so I'm holding my breath until tomorrow but am having blurry vision from it. Once I can take a breath of air tomorrow morning I'm making a bag of microwave popcorn to celebrate that I'm still alive. Just 12 more hours to go.
Fair enough. Let me re-phrase that: "it is generally accepted by public health organizations, and the law, that 'inhaling large amounts of these compounds over a long period of time can lead to serious disease.' It has yet to be conclusively shown that this is in fact the case, but the conservative position would be to consider them possibly dangerous to inhale in large quantities over a significant period of time. Better?
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