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My fiancee loves the cinnamon roll...hummm so im wondering and have been for a while, what do we truly know about what were vaping from these e-liquids and the health affects. Im new to vaping and im not being a shot caller here, im asking honestly what excactly is in them and is there really any way to find out, long term studies or whatnot. There is no regulation here federally and im not asking for that to make myself clear, but what do veterans who care about this stuff think about all this?
 

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Correct!

So, unless I DIY it, how do i know the peppermint ejuice I"m using doesn't contain peppermint OIL?

Sorry, missed your question.

Good vendors now specify if it's water soluble or oil soluble. You want water soluble:

Perfumers Apprentice - Peppermint Flavor

If you don't DIY, ask your eliquid provider. If they don't know, or refuse to answer, I wouldn't buy from them anyway.
 

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My fiancee loves the cinnamon roll...hummm so im wondering and have been for a while, what do we truly know about what were vaping from these e-liquids and the health affects. Im new to vaping and im not being a shot caller here, im asking honestly what excactly is in them and is there really any way to find out, long term studies or whatnot. There is no regulation here federally and im not asking for that to make myself clear, but what do veterans who care about this stuff think about all this?

Well, we don't know much, but we do know that food flavorings are untested and have never really been approved for inhalation.

I just use common sense, basically. I try to use clear, clean eliquids as much as I can. I even vape unflavored on occasion--it's not half bad and it cleans my atomizer coils. :facepalm:

I'm lucky because I don't like strong flavors; I mostly vape light menthols, green tea, one or two tobacco flavors (one synthetic RY4 and one NET from Ahlusion because I trust Ahlusion) and a couple of coffees--I always look for clear and not too creamy or sweet coffees. If a particular eliquid I like is too strong, I dilute with some unflavored base. If a liquid is really dark I usually avoid it.

I try to stay away from custards and buttery flavors because I don't DIY--yet. But I've been considering getting some Bavarian Cream from TPA to use as a creamer in my coffees.

That's just me. You have to make your own risk assessment. I am also convinced that vaping is much, much healthier than smoking. I've been vaping for 4 years and my health has improved.

There is plenty of good information on this forum--search, ask questions, read. We're all guinea pigs at this point.

Good luck!
 

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Personally, I'm not persuaded by this one study, and I will continue to vape cinnamon (including the Cinnamon Bun and Cinnamon Red Hots that I received from MBV earlier in the week), but where are you getting that this wasn't "vetted by peers"? Toxicology in Vitro is a peer-reviewed journal, and the article would have gone through the peer-review process before it was accepted for publication. To be clear, the fact that it is "in press" means that it has been accepted for publication.

Frightening isn't it?. It seems (I)institution today has no qualms about skewing the numbers and conclusions. I'm skeptical of any entity that deems itself to be an authority to interject itself into controversial issues. In so doing they impose upon themselves the obligation to a higher standard of ethics and examination. LTBB, let the buyer beware of them.

Good luck!

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Well, we don't know much, but we do know that food flavorings are untested and have never really been approved for inhalation.

No worries. Most food flavorings available commercially are tested and approved today by the FDA and DHS. That said, precaution is always appropriate.

Oh, and btw 75% of taste is smell. So we inhale a lot of food. :)

Like I said, no worries. Enjoy, and...

Good luck!

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Agreed. :) And please do post more, when convenient. You write very well.

Yes, I agree. As well, this poignant suggestion...

If, in fact, James Thompson (Mt. Baker's owner) has used the consolidated research, from a variety of sources, to reach this conclusion..

I scratched my head wondering why MBV would rely upon what is so apparently a methodologically flawed study. To knowingly embroil itself in the certain controversy that would ensue. To preemptively pop oneself up on the radar. Seems to me to be utterly counterintuitive. Perhaps we should be asking the question, "Why?".

Oh, and by the by, I love Cinnamon Roll.

Good luck!

:)

It is an old maxim of mine, that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. — Doyle, Sir Arthur Conan, The Sign of Four
 
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This is a known issue and i applaud MBV for doing what they did. As everyone knows, or should know, food flavorings were never meant or approved for inhalation. just because they are safe to eat doesn't mean they are safe to inhale--for prolonged periods.

I have stopped vaping cinnamon after talking to our resident chemist and a master DIY-er Kurt:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...u-vape-cinnamon-flavors-read.html#post3906345

Another flavor that was discussed and discontinued by many juice and flavorings makers was diacetyl. But just because a flavoring is advertised as diacetyl-free doesn't mean it's perfectly safe to vape.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-bad-your-health-if-vaped-5.html#post3352880

and Kurt's reply:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-bad-your-health-if-vaped-6.html#post3374751

Appreciate your posting this here. Not sure how long it would have taken me to find it otherwise.
 

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When I first started vaping in July, I had some Cinnamon Roll. Everybody loves it. I can not vape it. It burns my mouth and throat. So I do not vape anything with cinnamon in it. I can not vape vanilla custards either. They make my mouth and throat swell and burn. So I don't vape them either.

Cinnamon is a known irritant. It only makes sense that it will irritate your respiratory passages. My Dentist says he has patients that can not use cinnamon mouthwash, gum, toothpaste or toothpicks. It is common. So, if you feel burning or irritation from vaping something, why vape it? There are many other flavors available.

MBV did not pull its cinnamon flavors from this one study. This was just another study in a series of articles and stories regarding cinnamon. Better to err on the side of caution. I respect their decision. I do not need to agree with it or not.
 

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For what it's worth - Ceylon cinnamon is only 1 type of cinnamon & is the one used in the study. Ceylon is NOT the cinnamon you usually find on the grocery shelf, however, it is the type that often recommended for lowering blood sugar & can be found in health food stores. My question - what type of cinnamon are the vendors using as the oils differ between them?
 

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Earlier this year I vaped cinnamon only for about 3 months. Went to the dentist for my cleaning, and they freaked about my gums. They wee swollen and sore, and I had white spots on them that looked like I burned them with eating hot food or liquid.
Not much proof with this side effect, but I had big trouble breathing. I may as well if had asthma. I got winded so bad and so easily, I couldn't ride my dirtbike more than half a mile in the woods without being so out of breath I wanted to pass out.

I have been off the cinnamon for about 2 months now. My guns are better, and I am not running out of breath as quickly.




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all substances have a good and a bad side, even cinnamon.

The good....

Cinnamon is a great source of manganese (45.5%), fiber (11%) and calcium (5.2%), but the real healing components are found in the essential oils of the bark. Here are just a few of the miraculous findings in relation to cinnamon and health.



Cinnamon lowers blood sugar

Studies have shown that cinnamon lowers blood sugar and blood pressure in those with type 2 Diabetes. A study published in 2003 by Diabetes Care identified that as little as 1g of cinnamon per day “reduces serum glucose, triglyceride, LDL cholesterol, and total cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes.” As Dr. Mercola informs us, it does this by slowing the stomach emptying (preventing blood sugar spikes) and enhancing antioxidant defenses.



Cinnamon improves brain function

Studies have shown that cinnamon reduces brain swelling for tramatic injury and stroke victims. It has also been discovered that even just the smell of cinnamon can improve cognitive functioning and memory.



Cinnamon is anti-fungal

Cinnamon has been shown to prevent and stop the growth of bacteria, fungi and yeasts and is often used to prevent and or lesson Candida yeast growth. A study published in 2003 in the International Journal of Food Microbiology showed that Cinnamon could act has a powerful food preservative with just a few drops of extract was added to a broth.



Cinnamon can inhibit tumor growth

A study published in July of 2010 showed that cinnamon extract had an anti-tumor effect by inducing tumor cell death, which could lead to the development of an alternative or complementary treatment for a diverse range of cancers.

Cinnamon can decrease inflammation

Inflammation is at the root of almost every disease in the body, whether the inflammation causes the disease or vise versa. Cinnamon acts as an anti-inflammatory by lowering the release of arachidonic acid from cell membranes.



Beyond these five health benefits, cinnamon has also been connected to weight loss, preventing unwanted blood clotting, contributing to the prevention of Alzheimer’s disease and cardiovascular health. In order to reap these benefits, it’s important that you be sure to take the right amount of cinnamon or cinnamon extract, as there can also be negative effects if consumed in large amounts over time.


and the bad......

An allergic reaction to cinnamon can cause a wide range of symptoms, depending on the severity of the allergy and whether the cinnamon touches the skin or is swallowed. Some of the most common symptoms include watery eyes, runny nose, and cough. Skin irritation may result in various types of dermatitis, including eczema. Swelling of the face or throat, especially if accompanied by difficulty breathing, may indicate the presence of a severe and potentially life-threatening allergic reaction known as anaphylaxis.

In many cases, an allergic reaction to cinnamon is so subtle that it may be confused with other problems, such as the common cold or seasonal allergies. This is especially true when cinnamon is an added ingredient in a product, because the affected person may not even realize that the spice has been consumed. Itchy, watery eyes and a stuffy or runny nose are commonly reported signs of a reaction and usually begin within a matter of seconds or minutes following contact with cinnamon. A cough, a mild fever, or a sore throat may also occur. Those with underlying respiratory illnesses, such as asthma, may notice a worsening of symptoms after coming into contact with this spice.

Sometimes, an allergic reaction may appear in the form of skin irritation, medically known as dermatitis. This often involves a condition known as eczema, in which the skin may itch, peel, or develop blisters that break open. This type of reaction is most common when cinnamon comes into contact with the skin, although those with a relatively mild allergy may develop skin symptoms if cinnamon is repeatedly ingested.

Anaphylaxis may occur during an allergic reaction to cinnamon, although this is not common. Symptoms of this severe type of allergic reaction may include swelling of the face, tongue, or throat as well as difficulty breathing. When breathing becomes difficult, there is a risk of oxygen deprivation to the brain and other organs of the body, which can cause permanent brain damage or even death within a matter of minutes, making it crucial to obtain emergency medical assistance at the first sign of these symptoms. Life support measures such as oxygen therapy may be necessary, and hospitalization is likely until the health of the patient has stabilized.

.....and now you probably know more about cinnamon than you ever wanted to.
 
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