Mech mod disfigures a e-cig user, sad.

[Bad Ninja]

Unfortunately, how many people realize they need education before going out and buying a mod? Little to no education comes from the people selling them either in a B&M or from a website. They might watch a couple of "reviews" on YouTube but those generally focus on the quality/performance of the gear and little to do with safe handling.

They just think, "that looks cool," and they buy it without doing any sort of research. As in the case with my Apollo clone.... Didn't realize what I was getting into until I was already there. And that was my own stupidity. If I had taken the time to look before I just grabbed at the cool shiny thing, I never would have messed with a hybrid. And if I had never stumbled onto this forum, I might have never known what I was doing was wrong/dangerous until it was too late. (Putting the Kanger Subtank Mini on the Apollo.)

Until people learn to look before they leap, there will continue to be problems like this.

And while the problem may be lack of education, the REASON for that problem is the resistance. If we wre all still using cartos and eGos, this wouldn't be an issue. vaping has advanced. People just aren't advancing their education with it.

How about adults take responsibility for their own actions.

I agree shops are more often than not staffed by horribly educated employees, but when you reach adulthood, your decisions are really own responsibility.

The first poor decision is an adult trying to "look cool".

You can build your atomizer as high as you like, but put the wrong atty on a SMPL and you'll have a serious problem.

It's not resistance. It's education.
And a dose of common sense.

 

[bluecat]

It's just this kind of $#!+ that's going to have us all using Vuse, Blu or nothing.

If those type of products would actually be affordable (the equivalent of unflavored), I would be all over them.

 

[WillieB69]

How about adults take responsibility for their own actions.

That would imply that humanity as a whole is sane and rational.
Which it clearly isn't.

People don't think. They act on impulse. That's what gets us into trouble.

 

[Racehorse]

Unfortunately, how many people realize they need education before going out and buying a mod? Little to no education comes from the people selling them either in a B&M or from a website. They might watch a couple of "reviews" on YouTube but those generally focus on the quality/performance of the gear and little to do with safe handling.

They just think, "that looks cool," and they buy it without doing any sort of research. As in the case with my Apollo clone.... Didn't realize what I was getting into until I was already there. And that was my own stupidity. If I had taken the time to look before I just grabbed at the cool shiny thing, I never would have messed with a hybrid. And if I had never stumbled onto this forum, I might have never known what I was doing was wrong/dangerous until it was too late. (Putting the Kanger Subtank Mini on the Apollo.)

Until people learn to look before they leap, there will continue to be problems like this.

And while the problem may be lack of education, the REASON for that problem is the resistance. If we wre all still using cartos and eGos, this wouldn't be an issue. Vaping has advanced. People just aren't advancing their education with it.

You are not a newbie vaper, and are probably, like me, an "intermediate to advanced" user. That means we know quite a bit about battery safety, etc. etc.

BUT I have to admit, (and appreciated your story about the apollo) that if I bought a SMPL mod, there would have been the *possibility* that I would have been at risk for placing the wrong (and dangerous) atty on top. IF I did not fully research my new purchase.

I guess my question is, just "how much" should we expect the general vaping population, or the person who just wants to switch from smoking, to know/learn in order to vape? I mean, I use a microwave, a digital camera, a zorjirushi electronic rice cooker, and cell phone on regular basis, and didn't feel I had to take a "course" in how to use any of them.

How "involved" should one have to be to use a vape device? Is it, or has it, or should it, reach the level of flying RC planes, etc.?

(I really do not have a fully formed opinion or solution yet.)

 

[WillieB69]

You are not a newbie vaper, and are probably, like me, an "intermediate to advanced" user. That means we know quite a bit about battery safety, etc. etc.

BUT I have to admit, (and appreciated your story about the apollo) that if I bought a SMPL mod, there would have been the *possibility* that I would have been at risk for placing the wrong (and dangerous) atty on top. IF I did not fully research my new purchase.

I guess my question is, just "how much" should we expect the general vaping population, or the person who just wants to switch from smoking, to know/learn in order to vape? I mean, I use a microwave, a digital camera, a zorjirushi electronic rice cooker, and cell phone on regular basis, and didn't feel I had to take a "course" in how to use any of them.

How "involved" should one have to be to use a vape device? Is it, or has it, or should it, reach the level of flying RC planes, etc.?

Food for thought.
I'm gonna chew on this and @Bad Ninja 's posts for awhile.

 

[Bad Ninja]

How "involved" should one have to be to use a vape device? Is it, or has it, or should it, reach the level of flying RC planes, etc.?

The fact is, filling a car with gasoline is more dangerous than vaping.

The dangers are pretty obvious.
We know batteries can explode.

MAC books have been exploding on crotches for a decade.

Critical thinking is required to safely navigate life.
Vaping is no exception.

 

[Wruff]

Use regulated mods. Much much safer, and far greater control over the device. Welcome to the 21st century.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

I guess my question is, just "how much" should we expect the general vaping population, or the person who just wants to switch from smoking, to know/learn in order to vape?

There are too many stories out there for anyone to feign ignorance of the dangers involved with vaping. Most people would ask questions about the dangers before they bought a piece of gear. There is a segment of the population though that has a flippant attitude towards life in general.

 

[haleysdadda]

So I've been vaping since Feb. Started with Ego-twist then Sigeli 30w currently on an IPV4s. I went this route because 1) I like adj. things 2) mech mods didn't look like any fun. So I still don't understand the risk/reward of a mech mod. Is it that much better than say my IPV? I've used all kinds of attys on my Ipv from my old Aerotank to my latest and greatest Mutation X MT, with a Mutation X V4 in between. Never had ANY ISSUES. Please somebody tell me what I'm missing!

 

[Bad Ninja]

So I've been vaping since Feb. Started with Ego-twist then Sigeli 30w currently on an IPV4s. I went this route because 1) I like adj. things 2) mech mods didn't look like any fun. So I still don't understand the risk/reward of a mech mod. Is it that much better than say my IPV? I've used all kinds of attys on my Ipv from my old Aerotank to my latest and greatest Mutation X MT, with a Mutation X V4 in between. Never had ANY ISSUES. Please somebody tell me what I'm missing!

What makes you think you are missing out?

I prefer old cars to new, I build trucks and knives for fun, and enjoy simple things over high tech.

Doesn't make it better or worse, just a different way of doing things.

 

[Jdurand]

I guess my question is, just "how much" should we expect the general vaping population, or the person who just wants to switch from smoking, to know/learn in order to vape? I mean, I use a microwave, a digital camera, a zorjirushi electronic rice cooker, and cell phone on regular basis, and didn't feel I had to take a "course" in how to use any of them

This is the most pertainent point of this thread in my opinion. Devices for everything from cooking to shaving have been made simple and safe, just hit the button and you will be fine. The old fashioned vape gear (mechs) are not as plug and play as the next generation mods which are regulated and temperature controlled. With this being said, all these items got safe via evolution, I mean, who uses a straight razor any more? I believe the purist mech users will fade away and the devices that are left will all be much safer.

 

[YoursTruli]

Unfortunately, how many people realize they need education before going out and buying a mod? Little to no education comes from the people selling them either in a B&M or from a website. They might watch a couple of "reviews" on YouTube but those generally focus on the quality/performance of the gear and little to do with safe handling.

They just think, "that looks cool," and they buy it without doing any sort of research. As in the case with my Apollo clone.... Didn't realize what I was getting into until I was already there. And that was my own stupidity. If I had taken the time to look before I just grabbed at the cool shiny thing, I never would have messed with a hybrid. And if I had never stumbled onto this forum, I might have never known what I was doing was wrong/dangerous until it was too late. (Putting the Kanger Subtank Mini on the Apollo.)

Until people learn to look before they leap, there will continue to be problems like this.

And while the problem may be lack of education, the REASON for that problem is the resistance. If we wre all still using cartos and eGos, this wouldn't be an issue. Vaping has advanced. People just aren't advancing their education with it.

and yet the vape industry (and communities) continues to push gear forward to the utmost (or no) limits... even though I hear a lot of "self-regulation" lip service where is that happening? I would love for that to be the answer, self-regulation, because I am one of the most ~government needs to stay out of my business~ type person that I know, but, there does not seem to be any limits concerning gear or eliquid for that matter.
What really happened to the whole "harm reduction" thing?

... and don't you think there is also a general unquestioned expectation in the general population that all vaping equipment is "safe" to use because (of over regulation) vendors could not sell it to the general public otherwise? I think (some/most) average (non-vape community onliners) people just expect all of this gear to be safe to use, especially if no one (the vendor/warning label) told them otherwise, why would they not? I am willing to bet the majority has no idea it's all unregulated, I know if I was not involved in the online communities I would not. I mean seriously I would never wonder if the drill I just picked up at home depot is going to explode on me when I plug it in, but the battery ones have a warning label. Maybe I am off track and missing something here.

 

[haleysdadda]

What makes you think you are missing out?

I prefer old cars to new, I build trucks and knives for fun, and enjoy simple things over high tech.

Doesn't make it better or worse, just a different way of doing things

Yah but I bet you'd put seatbelts in that 55 Chevy if your child, wife ect. was going to ride in it! I hope there's rollbars in those trucks your building for racing/offroad! Is some kind any kind of safety feature gonna affect your vape that much? Me thinks you & I have been here before @Bad Ninja !

 

[YoursTruli]

There are too many stories out there for anyone to feign ignorance of the dangers involved with vaping. Most people would ask questions about the dangers before they bought a piece of gear. There is a segment of the population though that has a flippant attitude towards life in general.

Yes but you are also inside the community "bubble". I think vape community onliners often forget that the general population as a whole has very little/limited to no knowledge about vaping, gear, eliquid in general. In the entire two years I was "offline" I had zero idea what was happening in regards to anything vaping period and if the newbie forum/questions asked here is anything to go by I was not alone in that experience.

 

[Bad Ninja]

and yet the vape industry (and communities) continues to push gear forward to the utmost (or no) limits... even though I hear a lot of "self-regulation" lip service where is that happening? I would love for that to be the answer, self-regulation, because I am one of the most ~government needs to stay out of my business~ type person that I know, but, there does not seem to be any limits concerning gear or eliquid for that matter.
What really happened to the whole "harm reduction" thing?

... and don't you think there is also a general unquestioned expectation in the general population that all vaping equipment is "safe" to use because (of over regulation) vendors could not sell it to the general public otherwise? I think (some/most) average (non-vape community onliners) people just expect all of this gear to be safe to use, especially if no one (the vendor/warning label) told them otherwise, why would they not? I am willing to bet the majority has no idea it's all unregulated, I know as if I was not involved in the online communities I would not. I mean seriously I would never wonder if the drill I just picked up at home depot is going to explode on me when I plug it in, but the battery ones have a warning label. Maybe I am off track and missing something here.

I would rather see adults self regulate themselves, take responsibility for their own actions and act like adults instead of children.

The "Advanced user item" is pretty much listed on every vape store on the net, when referencing and rebuildable atomizers.

Problem is when the ego won't let people admit they are NOT advanced users.

 

[YoursTruli]

This is the most pertainent point of this thread in my opinion. Devices for everything from cooking to shaving have been made simple and safe, just hit the button and you will be fine. The old fashioned vape gear (mechs) are not as plug and play as the next generation mods which are regulated and temperature controlled. With this being said, all these items got safe via evolution, I mean, who uses a straight razor any more? I believe the purist mech users will fade away and the devices that are left will all be much safer.

I highly doubt that, mech mods and users will always be around (especially with all of the vapapocalypse stockpiling being done now which includes people who would have never bought a mech mod grabbing up a few just incase) I still use mine.

 

[Jdurand]

The "Advanced user item" is pretty much listed on every vape store on the net, when referencing and rebuildable atomizers.

This is an excellent point, and yes, this advice or warning is often ignored out of vanity.

 

[Jdurand]

I highly doubt that, mech mods and users will always be around (especially with all of the vapapocalypse stockpiling being done now which includes people who would have never bought a mech mod grabbing up a few just incase) I still use mine.

Vapocolypse will effect nicotine only in my opinion. Too many "variable voltage flashlight" solutions to ban or regulate gear. I still think the mech user will go the way of the dinosaur in the future. There will always be purists, don't get me wrong, I just see them coming out of the mainstream.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Yah but I bet you'd put seatbelts in that 55 Chevy if your child, wife ect. was going to ride in it! I hope there's rollbars in those trucks your building for racing/offroad! Is some kind any kind of safety feature gonna affect your vape that much? Me thinks you & I have been here before @Bad Ninja !

What's your point?
My wife rocks a mechanical with a derringer at .4 ohms. She's an adult. She knows what she is doing, and is very educated when it comes to mechanicals and battery chemistry.
It's not rocket science.


Don't bring a child into the analogy.
We are referring to grown adults.



You Also missed my point. Some like mechanicals because they are simple primitive electronics.
They also never die.

 

[YoursTruli]

OFF TOPIC WARNING: yes you have been warned!

I mean, I use a microwave, a digital camera, a zorjirushi electronic rice cooker, and cell phone on regular basis

greatest thing since sliced bread if mine ever exploded I hope it takes me with it! LOL

sorry ok.... back to the topic at hand