mechanical mods, dangerous?

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RebelGolfer72

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Mech mods and rebuildables are about as inherently dangerous as an off-the-lot sports car. -in other words, in the hands of someone with a little experience, who knows the basics of safety, and doesn't try to push beyond sane limits, both are pretty safe. But for someone who doesn't know and understand battery safety, doesn't know and understand what they are doing with builds, the potential is there for them to do something dangerous (akin to giving a 16yr old on a drivers permit the keys to a porche and letting them drive the PCH at top speed in the rain.)
 

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Seems like every time I turn on the news there is a story about someone's mechanical EXPLODING....So naturally I was a little apprehensive but still wanted to see what all the hype is about so I hit (but very quickly lol) and it was great!

Greetings, Blaine, welcome to the forum.

Keep in mind that you can get an equally excellent vape from a regulated mod (Variable Voltage/Variable Wattage) of the sort that Bad mentioned in his post. Mechanical mods, unlike regulated mods, allow vapors to use low sub-oHm atomizer coils (one of the risk factors). For atomizers above 1.2 or 1.3 oHms, you can get an awesome vapor production and flavor using a regulated mod like an MVP V2 or a ZMax or one of the many other APVs.

I have a number of mechanical and regulated mods, and enjoy both types equally well.

-- Glenn


....The fact is a mechanical mod has little to no protection features like a regulated variable voltage mod has. A variable voltage mod will have short circuit protection, auto timed cutoff of the fire button, temperature monitoring, reverse battery protection, over-discharge protection, etc. built into the micro processor. Had I been using a regulated mod, the battery incident that I experienced would have been prevented from happening.

A mechanical mod's only "safety features" would be a collapsable hot spring (which some do not have), a vent hole to allow escape of the pressurized gas from a venting battery, and some have a lockable fire button to prevent accidental firing of the fire button.

Therefore, a regulated mod is safer than a mechanical mod. Safe chemistry IMR batteries are safer to use than ICR batteries....
 
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Funny, the only stories I've seen of malfunctioning ecigs have been ego twist looking devices. Have yet to hear of a mech mod exploding. Of course, like anything else, if abused a mech mod could potentially be dangerous....and there's certainly enough stupid in the population that it is bound to happen.
Been using Mech's for over a year and still have all of my face, teeth and my house has not yet burned down.

Something tells me this is just a troll post.....
 

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Being scared is a good thing when it comes to this kind of stuff when you don't know what you are doing,..
The people that are not scared and don't know what they are doing are the ones that scare the crap out of me..

Being reasonable is a good thing. Unreasonable fear is never a good thing though.


Do you own a car? Which do you think is more dangerous, the safe chemistry battery in your mech mod or the 60lb unprotected battery filled with highly explosive and caustic acid in your car? Have you or anyone you know ever added an amplifier to your car stereo? Did you find it necessary to learn all about battery safety and the electrical loads and limitations of your car first, or did you just buy an amplifier and ask someone to install it?

Isn't it amazing how much we worry about a little ecig battery while totally ignoring and knowing virtually nothing about that big explosive bomb sitting under the hood of our expensive cars?
 

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Isn't it amazing how much we worry about a little ecig battery while totally ignoring and knowing virtually nothing about that big explosive bomb sitting under the hood of our expensive cars?

I find it surprising to hear people talk about the scary batteries and how they constantly monitor them while they charge.
We used to be smokers! We laughed in the face of lung cancer, scoffed at COPD, and now we are afraid of batteries? Is vaping turning us all into a bunch of sandle wearing vegan hippies? LOL

(BTW, no offense intended here, some of my best friends are sandle wearing vegan hippies).
 

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Being reasonable is a good thing. Unreasonable fear is never a good thing though......

Isn't it amazing how much we worry about a little ecig battery while totally ignoring and knowing virtually nothing about that big explosive bomb sitting under the hood of our expensive cars?

Then there are the laptops and cellphones...(a couple quick examples)

Exploding Cell Phone Batteries Result in Consumer Reports Warning - AboutLawsuits.com

Exploding Laptop.com
 

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Funny, the only stories I've seen of malfunctioning ecigs have been ego twist looking devices. Have yet to hear of a mech mod exploding. Of course, like anything else, if abused a mech mod could potentially be dangerous....and there's certainly enough stupid in the population that it is bound to happen.
Been using Mech's for over a year and still have all of my face, teeth and my house has not yet burned down.

Something tells me this is just a troll post.....
You obviously didn't read my first post in this thread. About 3 weeks into using my first mod (a mechanical) the battery exploded. I didn't abuse my mod, and although ignorant at the time I wouldn't call myself stupid.

:censored: happens. The fire button got stuck in the mod, causing the rapid over-discharging of the ICR battery in use. Thermal runaway = battery meltdown with flames. The protection circuit in the battery failed. The hot spring in the mod failed to prevent over-discharge. The mod did vent out the firing button as it was designed to do, but the switch was ruined and pants that the mod was in was burnt from the venting flames. It could have been worse and caught more on fire had I not found the mod when I did.

It's rare, but it can and has happened. Just because it is a rare occurance doesn't mean it can't happen to you. It won't seem so rare if it happens to you.

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Picture evidence of batteries that exploded in mechanical mods.

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AW IMR safe-chemistry battery which vented in a book bag.
 
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You obviously didn't read my post in this thread. About 3 weeks into using my first mod (a mechanical) the battery exploded. I didn't abuse my mod, and although ignorant at the time I wouldn't call myself stupid.

**** happens. The fire button got stuck in the mod, causing the rapid over-discharging of the ICR battery in use. The protection circuit in the battery failed. The hot spring in the mod failed to prevent over-discharge. The mod did vent out the firing button as it was designed to do, but the switch was ruined and pants that the mod was in was burnt from the venting flames. It could have been worse and caught more on fire had I not found the mod when I did.

It's rare, but it can and has happened. Just because it is a rare occurance doesn't mean it can't happen to you. It won't seem so rare if it happens to you.

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Being in your pants... That could have been REAL bad!

Also reaffirms my sports car analogy- even in the hands of someone experienced, and who knows what they are doing, things can happen.

And for someone who would be just getting into rebuildables, I would always recommend using a regulated mod, and keeping coils in the 2 ohm range. You can learn a lot building that high, you can work with a safer regulated mod, and with higher ohm coils, you can learn what a +/- 10-20% change in coil resistance will do for you etc. and mistakes are less likely to be dangerous
 

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Welcome to ECF blaine.

Would you be kind enough to point me to the origin of those news stories... ya' see, other than the hyperbole here on ECF, I've never seen a story on the TV news regarding mech mods going boom.

Your best friend's husband is a top of the line idiot, or just thought it funny to scare you... which still, makes him an idiot.

I use mech mods every day, day in - day out, as do a half dozen of my friends and neighbors. Add in the hundreds (thousands?) of users here on ECF.
They are as safe as the user is intelligent. Considering the number of idiots (see above) that use them... they must be reasonably safe.



Most of the news stories I have seen on it have been from my favorite local news station, news articles on Facebook, and I think a show like Entertainment Tonight or something like that. I have also watched some youtube videos users have posted comparing and contrasting different mods and talking about mechanical and most of the have said to be ware of the mechanical mod's bc if misused they can explode but how do you "misuse" a mod? I'm new to the vaping community so I'm just trying to get educated on all this stuff :D
 

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Most of the news stories I have seen on it have been from my favorite local news station, news articles on Facebook, and I think a show like Entertainment Tonight or something like that. I have also watched some youtube videos users have posted comparing and contrasting different mods and talking about mechanical and most of the have said to be ware of the mechanical mod's bc if misused they can explode but how do you "misuse" a mod? I'm new to the vaping community so I'm just trying to get educated on all this stuff :D

:) Nothing is 100% safe. Mech mods are slightly less idiot proof than Egos or Provaris, in that they don't have any built-in protection against shorts. That means you have to be safety conscious.

You need the "right" batteries for your build. You need a good charger for your batteries.

You need a decent digital multimeter, and you must learn how to use it on coils and batteries.

You need to measure coils, whether they're premade like Kanger coils, or homemade, like the ones people build for their rebuildable atomizers.

You need to be aware of the battery enough to switch to a fresh battery as the old one runs out.

You need some knowledge of Ohm's law; you don't want to short out the battery.

This is all pretty simple, but it involves a learning curve, some self control, and a willingness to learn.
 

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Rhean pretty much covered it. Some basic information of which batteries to use and some common sense goes a long way.

Choose from this list of safe-chemistry IMR batteries for either a regulated or mechanical mod. Battery Basics for Mods

Regulated mods will provide short circuit protection and over-discharge protection by shutting down prior to a catastrophic battery situation.

A mechanical mod does not have a processor, so the "safety part" has to come from the user. This entails monitoring battery voltage levels prior to them becoming over discharged with a voltmeter or digital multimeter. An ohms reader or digital multimeter can be used to measure a juice device's coil resistance. A "non" reading or a reading with changing random numbers means the coil has a short and should not be used.

Don't carry spare batteries in a pocket or purse where they can come into contact with metal like keys or coins This can cause the battery to complete its circuit, over-discharge, and go into thermal runaway. Carry spare batteries in a plastic battery case. Never use a warm or hot battery, this means it is stressed and could hard short.

Use only recognized high quality IMR batteries in your mod (no batteries with "fire" in the name), not cheapo batteries from the bargain bin. After buying quality batteries, don't then skimp and buy a cheapo charger. Buy your batteries and charger from recognized e-cig vendors such as RTD Vapor or the like.
 
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Extremely fortunate it wasn't a front pocket! :D

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Being in your pants... That could have been REAL bad!....

You obviously didn't read my first post in this thread. About 3 weeks into using my first mod (a mechanical) the battery exploded. I didn't abuse my mod, and although ignorant at the time I wouldn't call myself stupid.

:censored: happens. The fire button got stuck in the mod, causing the rapid over-discharging of the ICR battery in use. Thermal runaway = battery meltdown with flames. The protection circuit in the battery failed. The hot spring in the mod failed to prevent over-discharge. The mod did vent out the firing button as it was designed to do, but the switch was ruined and pants that the mod was in was burnt from the venting flames. It could have been worse and caught more on fire had I not found the mod when I did.

It's rare, but it can and has happened. Just because it is a rare occurance doesn't mean it can't happen to you. It won't seem so rare if it happens to you.

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Picture evidence of batteries that exploded in mechanical mods.

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AW IMR safe-chemistry battery which vented in a book bag.
 
Welcome to ECF blaine.

Would you be kind enough to point me to the origin of those news stories... ya' see, other than the hyperbole here on ECF, I've never seen a story on the TV news regarding mech mods going boom.

Your best friend's husband is a top of the line idiot, or just thought it funny to scare you... which still, makes him an idiot.

I use mech mods every day, day in - day out, as do a half dozen of my friends and neighbors. Add in the hundreds (thousands?) of users here on ECF.
They are as safe as the user is intelligent. Considering the number of idiots (see above) that use them... they must be reasonably safe.

Same here, been vaping mech mods for a year now and nothing happens to me. My friends even used a K100 with a dripper and their good.
 

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Seems like every time I turn on the news there is a story about someone's mechanical EXPLODING:ohmy: ]

Really... Just because I vape doesn't mean I don't watch the news... ummm, is this some strictly ideological broadcast station I don't know about? Care to share the name of it so I can check it out?

Edit: Nevermind... just saw where you said you're getting it.
 
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Mechanicals are as safe as you the user allows them to be. Use safe chemistry IMR batteries. Also, mechanicals are designed to use the pure voltage from batteries, not from circuit boards like regulated devices. Use common sense, invest in a good charger, batteries that can handle the load(resistance/ohms) you are putting on it and make sure you utilize the safety rings are whatever on the device. When using your batteries and you have to sub ohm under .8 ohms, invest on 30 amp rated batteries. Also invest in a cheap multimeter and test the batteries to make sure they are not over drained.

I work at a B&M vape shop and have some younger kids who frequent the establishment. They are of smoking age mind you but completely stupid with battery safety. Throwing all kinds of whatever coil in there atty because Rip Trippers says its the greatest thing yet in vaping. They use quad nano coil this or that, never use an ohm meter, never check their batteries and use them the instance they come off their cheapo chargers. Complain its not firing right then I go to check it and their batteries and mods are getting super hot. Even after educating them in safety or using a fuse int heir mechs, they are still pushin what are clearly 5-10 amp rated batteries and easily taxing them with 15-22 amp loads easily. I once had to ask them to leave because I didn't want to have to be reaponsible(even though legally I'm not) due to having a vented 18650 blow up in our lounge area.

As others have already said, practice safe procedures and your mech is no less safe than your cell phone or laptop, which have been known to blow up far more than ecigs. When dealing with lithium batteries, be it in vape gear, cell phones or high end torches(mag lights or astronomer laser pointers) there will always be a minimal chance of the battery going into thermal runaway. When pushing a battery to its limits and using faulty cheap Chinese knock off chargers are using chargers that either don't have circuit cutoffs or output the non recommended voltage, then bad things can happen. That is why everything that runs on batteries ALWAYS has a disclaimer in regards to ONLY use the intended batteries and charger.

On another note, never have I seen such thing ps in the news other than the Florida man, who clearly didnt get the clue to NEVER stack batteries in a mech. I have heard more issues with cheap knockoff egos rather mechs, and they always seem to be from some younger idiots charging them off of cheap HongKong made eBay ipad/iPhone chargers that had shorted out sometime ago.
 
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There was a report from over two years ago of a Florida man who had batteries explode in his mod. Allegedly it was a home-made mechanical mod, and he was stacking batteries, and the wrong kind of batteries at that. Allegedly he was using non-rechargeable batteries like flashlights and boom boxes use. This was a particularly bad explosion which knocked out teeth and part of his jaw.

I myself have had an ICR protected Li-ion battery explode in a mechanical mod. The fire button got stuck on the mod, causing the battery to over-discharge and go into thermal runaway. Below is that battery:

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Now, this was nowhere as near violent as what happened to that Florida man. But as you can see from the pic, the meltdown was enough to cause the battery to split open and vent pressurized hot gas hot enough to burn the pants pocket the mod was it. The protected circuit in the battery and the hot spring in the mod did not prevent this battery incident from happening.

Granted that was not one of the best batteries that I could have used, but it WAS the battery that was recommended for that mod at the time I purchased it, and I didn't know any better for the worse.

Protected ICR batteries use a flamable chemistry, so when the primitive circuit built into them fail, they can become quite dangerous. This is why these batteries are no longer recommended to be used in any mod.

The newer IMR and hybrid batteries use "safer chemistry" which do not require built-in protected circuits in them, as they are inherently safer. They can still vent gas should they go into thermal runaway, but they are less likely to and in less dramatic fashion than an ICR battery can.

The fact is a mechanical mod has little to no protection features like a regulated variable voltage mod has. A variable voltage mod will have short circuit protection, auto timed cutoff of the fire button, temperature monitoring, reverse battery protection, over-discharge protection, etc. built into the micro processor. Had I been using a regulated mod, the battery incident that I experienced would have been prevented from happening.

A mechanical mod's only "safety features" would be a collapsable hot spring (which some do not have), a vent hole to allow escape of the pressurized gas from a venting battery, and some have a lockable fire button to prevent accidental firing of the fire button.

Therefore, a regulated mod is safer than a mechanical mod. Safe chemistry IMR batteries are safer to use than ICR batteries.

Having said that, I still use a mechanical mod. I use safe chemistry IMR type batteries in my mechanical mods and regulated mods. I practice safe battery habits. The chances that I will experience another battery incident is extremely small because I am using safer batteries, the right batteries, and practicing safe battery habits.

Learn which batteries are the safest to use in your mods. There's a lot of battery and charger information in this ECF sub-forum:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...43-batteries-chargers-multi-meters-forum.html

Always respect the power that is in these batteries and always practice safe battery habits.



Sorry, but what is IMR and ICR?
 

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Sorry, but what is IMR and ICR?

They are different designations to show the differences in chemistry in Li-ion batteries. The ICR type are generally low amperage rated (not good for vaping) and if overloaded or over-charged will vent with flames and hot gases. The IMR are a high drain chemistry (good for vaping) that don't result in flames if they fail.

No flames (IMR) is always better than flames (ICR)....:laugh:

This list of IMR batteries with brand and model numbers are a good reference .... Battery Basics for Mods
 

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It's a code used by the battery manufacturers for designating different kinds of lithium ion cell.

As far as I can understand it (doubtless someone can correct the details if they are wrong), it goes like this:

I = lithium ion
C/M/F = cobalt/manganese/iron phosphate chemistry
R = rechargeable(?)

Therefore,

ICR 18650 = lithium cobalt oxide (traditional) cylindrical cell
IMR 18650 = lithium manganese oxide cylindrical cell
IFR 18650 = lithium iron phosphate cylindrical cell

all of which are rechargeable lithium ion cells 18 mm diameter by 65 mm long, and each of which has different voltages and electrical properties.
 
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