Mechanical series tube
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I started vaping a v1 provari in late 2011 and the aw imr batteries were what I used from the start...like you said, the fire and trust batteries were also out there, but folks recommended the aw's. I believe it was the aw 18650 16 amp that came out in 2012, which was a pretty good battery at that time , although the mah was slightly lower . what you said is how I Remember it but believe the aw's came out in 2011 (perhaps before, but I wasnt vaping so I dont know)I'm a little reluctant to further derail this thread, but I believe your history and chemistry lesson is a bit off.
When I began vaping in 2012, the best battery available for our mechanical mods was the trusty old Trustfire ICR battery. Probably had maybe 4 amps cdr, but they didn't rate batteries by continuous discharge rate at the time. I actually had one explode in my mech. Capacity (mAh) was the only spec that mattered then. (Nobody in their right mind today would use a Trustfire, Surefire, or Ultrafire battery for vaping. In fact, they are widely considered obsolete for vaping today.)
Somewhere around this time period AW came out with the first IMR battery. "Safer chemistry" because they were less likely to flame or explode, but they could still flame or explode. AW's 18650 2000 mah battery had a whopping 10 amps cdr. Their 1500 mAh 18650 battery had 16 amps cdr.
Shortly thereafter that, Samsung Sony and LG developed their "hybrid" batteries (INR chemistry). Not as "safe" as IMR, but "safer" than ICR. The main draw for these batteries were more amps cdr. Maybe up to 20 amps cdr. Today we have 30 amp cdr hybrid 18650 batteries.
Today's hybrid batteries are more powerful and a bit safer than the ICR batteries of 2010. Any abused or misused battery can vent or explode. The problem with mech mods is they generally don't have any protection circuitry (which can fail) and many don't have vent holes to allow a venting battery to release all that gas they produce. That's when you have a potential pipe bomb.
Rechargeable Batteries
If you really wanna trigger him, tell him you're vaping nic salts on your mech.
I AMMMMMM!
Oh, and I've also wired an atty straight to a wall wart, in 2009... Doesn't that count for some sort of mech?
When I first started vaping (late 2010) The FDA was involved in a lawsuit, shipments were being seized by customs, and vaping was coming to an end.
But I loved this stuff, so what to do ... what to do!?!
It was obvious that I needed to (at least) learn how to be "self reliant", so I set out to learn how to make my own mods & atomizers, and DIY my own liquids.
As a result, I have several mods that I made myself, and even an atomizer made from a coax cable connector. And, I still DIY my own juice.
Not quite as bad as tappin into the AC, but almost!
ICR? whowhatwhy? I didn’t say anything about ICRs
yep. Or a hand grenade, which was the analogy I made. Thing is if the explosion inside a sealed container isn’t powerful enough to rupture the container it works really well as a safety feature. Civil bomb squads regularly carry around such containers. They’re usually quite heavy and need their own truck. It’s when it ISNT that it suddenly turns into an issue. The problem was that higher power batteries moved the pointer from IS to ISN’T. This caused a huge issue. People died.
not impossible. Did the mod case rupture and throw shrapnel?
So I’m being accused of disseminating misinformation without any actual direct disagreement with what I presented. I notice in the link about the provari battery the mod is sitting there in one piece next to the battery. Which is also in more or less one piece. I didn’t say they didn’t fail. I consider that thread a support of my statement about no-longer-available-batteries rather than a dissention. Just because some user happened to use the term “blow up” doesn’t make it factually accurate.Found another one:
My Provari battery blew up while sitting on the coffee table...Is this common?
I don't mean to be ragging on you, bomb. But we're supposed to be educating folks here, not giving out misinformation.
None of this matters though because those batteries are no longer buyable AFAIK.
That really doesn’t make sense. It’s totally in keeping with past experience regarding this topic though on both sides of the debate.
You I would suspect are taking the position that I did not state fervently enough that mechs are dangerous. I’m sure someone else will also take the position that I overstated the dangers of mechs.
IMHO which is just that and only that I think unprotected mechs are at this particular point in time too dangerous to use specifically because the current crop of available batteries need more protections than a pure mech can offer. While it is possible to use them if absolutely no mistakes are ever made, I do not think such things are possible in actual reality. There are numerous and very vocal people who disagree with that. I don’t trust these people. It’s a philosophical stance. I do not believe in the existence of absolute human perfection. I can’t find it in myself and I for damn sure have never seen it anywhere else. I don’t use em, I won’t stand near em.
No. If you really want to trigger me make pointless snide remarks like that one. Which was the point I assume.If you really wanna trigger him, tell him you're vaping nic salts on your mech.
Baditude pointed out the lack of accuracy in my time guesstimate as well. Apparently the term “maybe” was inadequate to display my lack of certainty. I’m particularly bad at determining amounts of past time.
but you don’t go around evangelizing how awesome and harmless such behavior is. That’s the thing I tend to have an issue with. You’re a grownup. You’re going to do what you do.
I’m not interested in controlling your behavior. It’s the noobs looking for information I worry about. They deserve truth.
It probably doesn’t. If the wall wart was UL certified it had protections in it, and either way there were no lithium batteries involved. I’ve done that too, more or less. I used to have a bunch of USB tethers which I at one point or another put into a wall USB device. The dangerous bit there was mostly the tether quality. Those things were so badly made.
In other news I'm trying to decide if I wanna get a dreamer and an ardent
Or get the bonza kit
With either one I'm gonna be buying an expansion tube
I can get the dreamer and the ardent in store the dreamer is like 80 for brass 90 for white powdercoated copper
Idk how,much a bonza kit would be after shipping
Or get the bonza kit
With either one I'm gonna be buying an expansion tube
I can get the dreamer and the ardent in store the dreamer is like 80 for brass 90 for white powdercoated copper
Idk how,much a bonza kit would be after shipping
Also idk if i the conductivity difference between the brass compared to the powder coated copper if enough to matter
Matter for what? Voltage drop is voltage drop. A certain amount of it is going to exist. More with an extension tube than without. The connection between the tubes will probably matter more that the metal they’re made out of. Brass is mostly copper btw.
Mooch did a shootout. What it comes down to is contact point conductivity. As in, as long as the surface area of the contact point is big enough, it doesn't matter, even between steel and copper. Even gold or silver wouldn't make a big enough difference.
In that case imma get the dreamer in brass amd my ocd will hate me afterwards lol
If not ICR's's, what's left except IMR? No recorded deaths from vaping until 2019. The Provari is vented, so no mod rupture or shrapnel thrown.
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From vaping? Or from explosions of vape devices? I was specifically thinking of two. One guy was a long time member here and the other guy set a mech down on a pile of change in his car in some city I can’t remember the name of. That one I understand was particularly pyrotechnic. Doesn’t count the numerous mutilations.
You specifically said "people died'. There were no recorded deaths from vaping or explosions until this year when there were two. The first had battery blow up in a faux hybrid mech which propelled his atomizer into his skull and burnt his bedroom. The second was a mech where it exploded and threw shrapnel into his carotid artery and he bled to death. I don:t know about the two cases you speak of.
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I think we’re thinking of the same instances. The second one was very likely this year. I have less data about the first one. It seems to me you are attempting to take me to task for misrepresenting when these things occurred and implying I implied they happened earlier than they did. I don’t think this happened.
Actually, I'm thinking the first one you mention happened in the spring of 2018, Florida I believe. Though it was re-reported a lot when the second incident happened earlier this year.
This actually an important analogy. All batteries of different chemistries and capacities will react differently once they reach a state of thermal runaway. This needs to be taken into account IF trying to design a device, be it regulated or mechanical, that is to withstand the pressures generated by a failing cell so that it keeps the user relatively safe – at least from flying shrapnel.
The tensile strength of any device needs to be able to withstand the maximum pressure that is capable from any cell that fits said device. This will allow vent holes to relieve that pressure. If the tensile strength is not able to withstand the pressure, then vent holes will not be able to perform their duty and the device will break.
Or vent holes have to be of size to be able to relieve pressure quicker than it is able to build up so that the tensile strength of the device is not breached.
I am not convinced this level of engineering goes into these devices and that vent holes, (although adequate for a venting battery - which to my knowledge is of low pressure release) are enough to prevent a device from breaking apart under pressure.
Vent hole location is also very important on a tube mod. Cells are designed to vent from the positive end. Yet many tube mods have the vent holes at the bottom of the mod. What happens if the cell swells a bit before it vents? There will be no path for the gasses to make it from the top of the mod down to the vent holes.
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