Mechs vs Provai

[sawlight]

Not a big fan of the sub ohm and cloud chasing crowed, and normally "Tude and I agree, even a few months ago I'd have said the Provari and a carto tank can't be beat! But.... Mad Murdock ruined it for me! I've fallen in love with his 710 and nothing tastes the same as dripping, it just looses too much flavor in a carto!
I've tried it in a ZAP, not the same either! I've gone pretty much rda all the way of late! Got a Vmod, then picked up a Nemesis clone and a bunch of RDA's from fastech to play with. Seem to have settled on the IGO-L on the Chemesis with a 1.2 ohm coil, couldn't be happier right now! Not that much tinkering involved, rebuild it every two weeks, takes about ten min to do it right and go on.

 

[sawlight]

Respectfully, can you explain the math on this?

2 days on an unregulated device? And it tastes the same for those 2 days? First Vape till the last?

Maybe there is something to the term hybrid mod that I am ignorant about.

Please, educate me.


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18650 at 2600mah, 1.5 ohm coil, that's 2.6 amp draw, that's around 20 hours of runtime, give or take.

 

[Baditude]

@Baditude, no offense intended: almost 12k posts on ECF qualify you as a vaping hobbyist in my book no matter what kind of setup you use

Mechanicals are more for those who are vape hobbyists that like to tinker with their mods, or cloud chasers. Those more interested in a consistant care-free vape and just staying off of cigarettes use a regulated mod. Regulated mods also have built-in protected circuitry; mechanical mods have no protective circuitry and are not at all simple care-free devices to use (if you are doing it right).

I appologise. I should have been more specific and clearer in what I really meant to say. I may well qualify as a vaping hobbyist. However, I do believe those people who use mechanical mods tend to be the type of people more likely to tinker with their gear. I fall into that other category of vapors (despite my "almost 12k posts on ECF"), who does not like to tinker with their mods or vape gear. I prefer using a mod and gear that is more care-free and is safer to use because it has built-in protection. Therefore, I use only regulated mods.

Mechanical mods are not care-free devices like a regulated mod can be, IMO. They require more attention to details and a better understanding of all the variables that can go wrong that aren't as likely to occur with a regulated mod. Too often people say, "Mech mods are easy. I don't understand why others say they are not for beginners."

That's because many mech users may not understand all the things that they need to watch out for that are more critical than someone using a regulated mod. Mechs do not have the automatic protective circuitry that a regulated mod has. A mechanical mod essentially has nothing that could be considered safe about it.

In fact, I will go so far as to say that if a mech mod user does not use the "correct type" of batteries for their application, does not use a quality charger, does not routinely check their batteries' voltage with a multimeter coming off the charger and coming out of their mod, does not use a vape safe fuse, and does not frequently check the resistance of their rebuildable coil, they are vaping with considerably greater risk than someone who uses a regulated mod.

The typical mechanical mod will only have a collapsable hot spring (too many mechs nowadays don't even use a spring) and a vent hole to allow release of gases expelled from a battery in thermal runaway. Knowing how a battery in thermal runaway can swell to extremely large size and vent hot gases under high pressure, that vent hole can become blocked off, and effectively turn that closed-end mechanical tube into a pipe bomb.

I read of too many novice vapors who are using sub-ohm coils with inappropriate batteries; do not check their coil resistance because they don't own a multimeter; don't understand why their mod, fire switch, or batteries are getting hot; wonder why the spring in their mod has collapsed; or wonder why their coils keep popping. I keep reading of these vape shops in Southern California who routinely send novices home with their first ever e-cig with a mechanical mod equipted with an RBA with sub-ohm coils and maybe with inappropriate batteries. No education or words of caution...just go home and "make some clouds".

I'm obviously not speaking about those mechanical mod owners who are doing things right by the book. Somehow they learned what they needed to learn. My concern is for all those novices to mechanicals who have purchased a mech and are ignorant of what they should know to use a mechanical mod safely. I see this happening on the forum on almost a daily basis from the questions that they are asking. Many are not aware of the differences that a mechanical mod has compared to their Ego battery or regulated mod. Mechanical mods come with no owner's manual with safety rules included...at least none that I am aware of. The owners must learn these through their own research.

Sorry, I've gone off on a tangent, and may have even gone slightly off topic. I guess my point is there is a huge difference between a mechanical and regulated mod, in particular if you consider the differences in complexity and safety.

 

[UntamedRose]

Whats with all the VS's stuffs. be happy get both

 

[Racehorse]

The ego is dead.

Not even a little bit. I've owned about 30 mods including provari and I'm sitting here vaping on my ego twist.

Egos......Most used ecig batt in the world.


I liked the Provari. I liked the Sigelei Zmax. I know people LOVE their MVP2's.


I mostly vape on a REO mechanical bottom feeder. I just like everything about it. I don't do subohm, I don't even have any desire to. When not using the REO I use my Ego twists. 18 months and counting, and I've tried a whole lot of things.

ALL that said......who cares what other people are using, I say PLEASE YOURSELF. Whatever you enjoy, whatever makes a good vape for you, go with it. Figure out what you like and stick w/it.

 

[mackman]

Have the best of both world get a Provari and a Reo.

 

[albcig]

I keep reading of these vape shops in Southern California who routinely send novices home with their first ever e-cig with a mechanical mod equipted with an RBA with sub-ohm coils and maybe with inappropriate batteries.

that is very very wrong indeed. it's all fun and vape till someone gets hurt and the witch hunt begins.

 

[madqatter]

IMHO Mechs are for tinkerers and people that wants incredibly massive amounts of vapor. They are less interested in flavor...

I don't care to tinker with my mods. I care about staying off the analogs. I care about flavor. I don't care about cloud chasing. I want a maintenance-free vape. All that, and I use mech mods exclusively.

I'm like WattWick. I'm not a tinkerer or a cloud chaser, I do care about flavor, and my mods are mechs (just bought an MVP2 also, but it's not here yet).

In fairness, though, I am regulating my mechs with a Kick, so I suppose that puts me in some neitherlands between the worlds. *shrug*

Also you can get Mech dirt cheap. There isn't much to them. A tube, some connections and a switch.

What I also care about is size.

These are some of the factors I like. I also like the aesthetics.

Mechanical mods are not care-free devices like a regulated mod can be, IMO. They require more attention to details and a better understanding of all the variables that can go wrong that aren't as likely to occur with a regulated mod. Too often people say, "Mech mods are easy. I don't understand why others say they are not for beginners."

That's because many mech users may not understand all the things that they need to watch out for that are more critical than someone using a regulated mod. Mechs do not have the automatic protective circuitry that a regulated mod has. A mechanical mod essentially has nothing that could be considered safe about it.

In fact, I will go so far as to say that if a mech mod user does not use the "correct type" of batteries for their application, does not use a quality charger, does not routinely check their batteries' voltage with a multimeter coming off the charger and coming out of their mod, does not use a vape safe fuse, and does not frequently check the resistance of their rebuildable coil, they are vaping with considerably greater risk than someone who uses a regulated mod.

I do agree with all this. I got AW IMRs from a reliable source and a Nitecore charger. I check my batteries for overcharge and overdischarge with a multimeter every time I use them, and I inspect them for wear/deformations. I use a Kick, which also acts as a fuse. I check the resistance on my coils. I use an Ohm's law calculator regularly. I am a newbie who uses mechs, and it still kinda freaks me out a little when other newbies say they want a mech....

 

[serenity21899]

I have both ProVaris and mechs. Most of the time, I just want to throw in a fresh battery and fill my carto tank and go on about my day. A ProVari works well for this. Once in awhile, fussy doesn't bother me and I break out the mechs. I like having a choice depending on my mood.

 

[e-pipeman]

I have both ProVaris and mechs. Most of the time, I just want to throw in a fresh battery and fill my carto tank and go on about my day. A ProVari works well for this. Once in awhile, fussy doesn't bother me and I break out the mechs. I like having a choice depending on my mood.

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[EddardinWinter]

I have both ProVaris and mechs. Most of the time, I just want to throw in a fresh battery and fill my carto tank and go on about my day. A ProVari works well for this. Once in awhile, fussy doesn't bother me and I break out the mechs. I like having a choice depending on my mood.

I have a couple of mechs, too. My preference is for the ProVari, but I am quite inexperienced with mechanical modding. Since I am relatively new to RBAs, I am glad to have a regulated mod driving my RBA for safety reasons. But, my opinion could change.

There are lots of people I respect a great deal who swear by mechs, and that is great. My issue, like Baditude's is many new users are jumping right into mechanical modding without the background that could help keep them safe.

I think Mechanicals are more than a fad, but they may always be a relatively small part of the vaping public. Now that there are regulated mods that can allow sub-ohm vaping, they have competition in the sub-ohm world. It should be interesting to see how things develop.

 

[Ranic85]

I can't run a .3 ohm dual coil on a VV/VW so I a mechanical it is!

 

[BernieVideo]

18650 at 2600mah, 1.5 ohm coil, that's 2.6 amp draw, that's around 20 hours of runtime, give or take.

This may be true, and awesome.

But you are not Vaping at the same watts for all those hours. The flavor and amount of Vape must change as you use it. It's simple math.

Isn't it.


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[sawlight]

This may be true, and awesome.

But you are not Vaping at the same watts for all those hours. The flavor and amount of Vape must change as you use it. It's simple math.

Isn't it.


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Yes, and no! Normally I like around a 1.7-18 ohm coil on my mechs and I don't run my batteries below 3.5V, with the bulk of that run time at 3.7V.
So lets do the math,
Off the charger it's 4.2v, but with voltage sag that drops to 3.9v, 1.8 ohm coil, that's 8.45 watts, 2.16 amps.
Next is 3.7v, with sag that's 3.5v, the longest run time, that's 6.8 watts, 1.9 amps.
Last is 3.5v, for me it's time to change the battery, that's 3.3 with sag, 6.05 watts 1.8 amps.
So yes, it does start out stronger, which is why a lot of people "short charge" batteries to around 3.9v to keep the wattage closer over use. I haven't found a need for this as I mainly use 18350's and 14500's anymore, they tend drop into 3.7v rather quickly, the 18650's take a while longer.
With the 1.2 ohm build I have on my IGO-L, here's how the math works on it,
4.2, sag to 3.9, we get 12.65 watts and 3.25 amps.
3.7, sag to 3.5, we get 10.2 watts and 2.9 amps.
3.5, sag to 3.3, we get 9.07 watts and 2.75 amps.

In both cases we get a drop of around 2 watts initially from full charge to the stable voltage, not terrible. Also remember when I started, this is all we had, so it's not a big deal to me!
I'm not saying my Provari is going anywhere anytime soon mind you, I still love it and may end up putting an E-Barron on it, other than I hate the idea of N/R and resistance wire in the build!
But as I said, back in the day this is all we had, and on good days we could get 2.5 ohm carto's, most times it was 3 ohm, and somehow we survived!

 

[WattWick]

I think Mechanicals are more than a fad, but they may always be a relatively small part of the vaping public. Now that there are regulated mods that can allow sub-ohm vaping, they have competition in the sub-ohm world. It should be interesting to see how things develop.

I'm on the mech wagon, but I wouldn't mind a regulated mod that allows for down to 0.7-ish ohms... as long as the circuitry doesn't add a couple of inches. Luckily, it's only a question of time until we get better/smaller batteries and electronics and displays that don't eat up as much space as a battery.

However, (not really @Eddard) non-mech users blow the "variable voltage" deal way out of proportion. The fact that you can use a bigger battery in a smaller mod makes this almost irrelevant anyway. Unless you don't care about size at all, and compare 18650s to 18650s. I rather change a battery every now and again than vape on a bat.

 

[Krizzell]

Are mechs more popular now over Provaris and other regulated mods,seems like the trend.

Mechs are popular because they look cool and different than a regulated mod. But a lot of people have no clue on what to do when they get one.

 

[tc1]

Yes ... mechs are more popular than vv/vw devices like the Provari. Thanks to the flood of rebuildable atomizers that have hit the market.

On a decent RDA and/or RBA like a genesis ... you can barely ... if at all ... feel the difference between a fully charged battery and say a half charged battery. With no regulation circuit ... you save battery life as well. (In comparison to a vv/vw device pulling the same amps of course)

Mechanicals tend to be rugged, simple, and visually appealing ... giving you the option of customizing your vaping experience 100%. That's why they are so popular.

 

[DaveP]

I can't run a .3 ohm dual coil on a VV/VW so I a mechanical it is!

At 3.7v that's 46 watts and 12 amps. What battery are you using? Ever had one spew?

 

[Ranic85]

At 3.7v that's 46 watts and 12 amps. What battery are you using? Ever had one spew?

Sony 30 amp batteries and MNKE 20 amp batteries.

 

[madqatter]

Mechanicals tend to be rugged, simple, and visually appealing .... That's why they are so popular.

I like this about them.