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[igetcha]

hi kate,

regardless of whether his reviews are for his own products or not, he is a supplier. the rules say that no suppliers are allowed to post in the review section.

and who is to say that the products he reviewed but doesnt sell are totally accurate now? for example, in one particular product review he stated in a series of videos on this particular popular e-cig that it had no throat hit what so ever........even though at one point he nearly coughed his bollox off after taking a drag! but then he sells the same model on his site now. to some, it could be percieved as knocking down the competition in order to boost his own.

i never had any prior reason to doubt him, but since learning he is now a supplier i cant help but feel that it was just part of a marketing strategy. i may be totally wrong, i may be totally right.......i honestly dont know.

ive often thought about selling e-cigs as a side income but the one thing thats stopped me is knowing i would not be able to do reviews any more.

and i can almost certainly say that if i suddenly declared myself a supplier, the mods on here would not hesitate to remove my reviews in a flash.

you cant have one rule for one, and not the other.

 

[Spikey]

I have issue with this also... BUT...

I have to say.. that while I agree with you guys... I think that the RESPONSES to his reviews are what is so valuable and to take the thread down would remove the whole thing. All the people who got one of "those" went to that review and added what they thought after they used it and I think that having all those differing opinions (one says it has TH and another says TH is weak) is what makes the reviews so valuable to newbies. Reading through a thread and getting opinions from others on a product will tell you a lot about it and let you know if one person got a "dud" or the reviewer got an "exceptional" one.

Maybe they could remove his reviews for any products he sells... but leave the thread without the video? The videos for what he sells are all on his website anyway.

hi kate,

regardless of whether his reviews are for his own products or not, he is a supplier. the rules say that no suppliers are allowed to post in the review section.

and who is to say that the products he reviewed but doesnt sell are totally accurate now? for example, in one particular product review he stated in a series of videos on this particular popular e-cig that it had no throat hit what so ever........even though at one point he nearly coughed his bollox off after taking a drag! but then he sells the same model on his site now. to some, it could be percieved as knocking down the competition in order to boost his own.

i never had any prior reason to doubt him, but since learning he is now a supplier i cant help but feel that it was just part of a marketing strategy. i may be totally wrong, i may be totally right.......i honestly dont know.

ive often thought about selling e-cigs as a side income but the one thing thats stopped me is knowing i would not be able to do reviews any more.

and i can almost certainly say that if i suddenly declared myself a supplier, the mods on here would not hesitate to remove my reviews in a flash.

you cant have one rule for one, and not the other.

 

[Kate]

Yeah, I see what you're saying Scott.

It's my understanding that when Trog became a trader his reviews weren't removed.

He never put a review up of the Screwdriver to my knowledge, or if he did it's been taken down or moved.

So the precedent is that reviews from before someone becomes a vested interest are not removed from the reviews board.

EDIT
Hi Spikey, we were posting at the same time.

Your suggestion of removing videos and leaving threads might work, Parked didn't do text reviews from what I can remember.

 

[Spikey]

I think that Trog is a diff story thought.. he is not selling M401's or Janty products or E-cigars.

Yeah, I see what you're saying Scott.

It's my understanding that when Trog became a trader his reviews weren't removed.

He never put a review up of the Screwdriver to my knowledge, or if he did it's been taken down or moved.

So the precedent is that reviews from before someone becomes a vested interest are not removed from the reviews board.

EDIT
Hi Spikey, we were posting at the same time.

Your suggestion of removing videos and leaving threads might work, Parked didn't do text reviews from what I can remember.

 

[rsngfrce]

I raised this same question about supplier reviews a few days ago...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...esting-area/9359-supplier-identification.html

At that time, Parked was still not identified as a supplier, he is now.

 

[igetcha]

well im just reading his "were open" thread............the whole thing stinks so far.


but $3.50 for an RN4081 atomiser!!! i'll take 10!

 

[Kate]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/dietsmokes/9230-were-open-introduction.html

 

[redrose]

Is Parked only selling Janty products? The limited suppliers I've read about seem to sell only one brand. I got the impression that Parked's operation is more like a retailer (for lack of a better word) than a supplier from one brand. A Walmart more than Brand store. If so, maybe that would require a new label. It would make sense that he would carry the items he's tried and liked. I guess time would tell if he changes his offerings and replaced quality with cost cutting, but I don't see that as the situation right now. I know I still value his reviews.

I think as e-cigs gets bigger, the lines that are so black and white in it's infancy, will become gray in many areas, and may no longer fit. For instance, Cash is a moderator with "delete" powers. If we didn't know Steve to be a good honest guy, that would be kind of questionable. Just my opinion but I haven't seen any reason to distrust Parked, and btw, I haven't purchased anything from him. I think many of the members who are passionate and motivated will become involved in some aspect in the future of e-cigs.

 

[D_Struct]

Parked seems to be selling items from multiple sources. He's a Janty retailer, though.

I, honestly, think many of the previous Janty reviews were done as a fan, given Janty is in his hometown, it's hard to deny there might be a bit of a connection.

I don't believe he was ever working for or with Janty USA.

I don't believe the "reviews" that are done with his products should remain in that section, OR they should be tagged as a supplier review with GIANT letters. He shouldn't be allowed to do any more review videos in the review section regarding products that he currently carries.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Kate]

Kate-

I Live in Fort Worth Texas so I'm affiliated with "Janty" I met Jeff over 6 months ago and since then I have been talking to him numerous times and we have built a great business relationship.

Jeff and I just recently purchased a huge 3000 sq foot Warehouse/office space for DietSmokes.com and Jantyusa.com.

I'm a authorized Janty reseller and I do buy all
my products from Janty up front ! So the stock of my janty items are represented in my
inventory system online.

This makes sense since we both have tons of stock and we need a place together so we can help out each other when we need it. We both need each others help sometimes.

These are both separate companies the only thing we really have in common is the office space we have together and our love for
personal vaporisers !

Since the Opening of dietsmoke.com I have borrowed his computer/desk sometimes so if you got a e-mail from janty saying your order has shipped that was through stamps.com. This might have happened to at least 20 of you. It's coming from dietsmokes.com but stamps.com doesn't know the difference that is why you got the e-mail

So there's your explanation

Videos-

No i don't think my videos should come down I gave them a fair shake if a product sucks i will tell you no matter what company it is. I have done this on a few models etc..... My videos are how I started and should stay up i believe this is a part of "Parked" and who I am.

Also 75% of these videos were done before I knew I was getting in the business.

In the future new videos will be in my section I will not post them in that section. They will now be in my own forum

Thanks

Parked

P.S. sorry i have not got back to you earlier I'm slamed packing up a ton of ECF members products

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/dietsmokes/9230-were-open-introduction-14.html#post147878

 

[Spikey]

Is Parked only selling Janty products? The limited suppliers I've read about seem to sell only one brand. I got the impression that Parked's operation is more like a retailer (for lack of a better word) than a supplier from one brand. A Walmart more than Brand store. If so, maybe that would require a new label. It would make sense that he would carry the items he's tried and liked. I guess time would tell if he changes his offerings and replaced quality with cost cutting, but I don't see that as the situation right now. I know I still value his reviews.

I think as e-cigs gets bigger, the lines that are so black and white in it's infancy, will become gray in many areas, and may no longer fit. For instance, Cash is a moderator with "delete" powers. If we didn't know Steve to be a good honest guy, that would be kind of questionable. Just my opinion but I haven't seen any reason to distrust Parked, and btw, I haven't purchased anything from him. I think many of the members who are passionate and motivated will become involved in some aspect in the future of e-cigs.

I don't think there is anything wrong with him selling. I do think he is a good guy. I have not bought anything from him yet either. It makes sense that he would carry all the products he likes and I have no issue with the fact that he gave good ratings to devices he now carroes.. I would want to carry stuff that I thought was good also... BUT... I think his reviews should stay on his website then and as I said before.. the threads should remain with the replies from other people sharing their opinions on the same products.

 

[igetcha]

Originally Posted by parked


I Live in Fort Worth Texas so I'm affiliated with "Janty" I met Jeff over 6 months ago and since then I have been talking to him numerous times and we have built a great business relationship.

Jeff and I just recently purchased a huge 3000 sq foot Warehouse/office space for DietSmokes.com and Jantyusa.com.

I'm a authorized Janty reseller and I do buy all
my products from Janty up front ! So the stock of my janty items are represented in my
inventory system online.

This makes sense since we both have tons of stock and we need a place together so we can help out each other when we need it. We both need each others help sometimes.

These are both separate companies the only thing we really have in common is the office space we have together and our love for
personal vaporisers !

Since the Opening of dietsmoke.com I have borrowed his computer/desk sometimes so if you got a e-mail from janty saying your order has shipped that was through stamps.com. This might have happened to at least 20 of you. It's coming from dietsmokes.com but stamps.com doesn't know the difference that is why you got the e-mail

So there's your explanation

Videos-

No i don't think my videos should come down I gave them a fair shake if a product sucks i will tell you no matter what company it is. I have done this on a few models etc..... My videos are how I started and should stay up i believe this is a part of "Parked" and who I am.

Also 75% of these videos were done before I knew I was getting in the business.

In the future new videos will be in my section I will not post them in that section. They will now be in my own forum

Thanks

Parked

P.S. sorry i have not got back to you earlier I'm slamed packing up a ton of ECF members products


my response:-

hi parked,

yeah i would just like to congratulate you on your site too. i wish you the best of luck!

i would also like to congratulate you on the fantastic marketing strategy that you have slowly built up in order to self promote the products that you are now selling.

you may well be selling great products at a great price, but quite frankly the whole thing sucks.

to strike up a friendship with Mr Janty, build a great looking website, employ staff, purchase a 3000 square foot warehouse, set up the business etc etc etc is not something you casually done overnight. this was premeditated months ago if you ask me.

you say you wont remove your reviews because 75% of them are on products that you dont sell. well that still leaves 25% of your self promoting reviews PLUS i think you will find that 100% of your reviews are breaking the forum rules with regards to suppliers NOT being allowed to post ANYTHING in the reviews section.

2 months ago, someone said to me that you worked for Janty and i told them they was talking rubbish........now, i realise it was at least partly true. plus it certainly explains why YOU said to me that you had "boxes" of the same model e-cigs just "lying around".


i fully realise i will no doubt recieve a massive backlash from the other guys who have posted their support for you and your "new" business.............but you know what, someone has to say it.

but dont get me wrong guys, im 100% confident that it will be a great site, with good products and good service............its just that the way he has gone about it is plain, simple, BOLLOX!

ps........and answer kates question...........3 or 4 times she has asked you to state the forum affiliates.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Maybe it is time for a "Reseller" and a "Supplier" status?

 

[Spikey]

People are aggravated because we all feel a bit "deceived" and lied to. We all know that it took months to set up this operation and the intent to become a supplier should have been properly stated. That being said.. what is done is done and it is a learning experience for everyone.

I wrote to Parked and Cash and said that I thought that the fact that Parked opened ONE day before Pure Smoker's grand re-opening was a bit shady and unfair and the timing should seriously have been reconsidered.

Parked did not address my comments.. only my praise that the store was well put together and the idea for the superstore was genius (which it was... and Cash tried to do the same thing.. but one item at a time... since it takes a lot of funding to do something like that).

Cash said he knew for some time about it and had chatted with Parked about it and was okay with it.

Of course Parked has every right to do this... it is a great idea and someone was going to do it eventually.. it is great that he had the resources to do it! BUT.. what people seem to be having issue with is that fact that it went down so shady and secretive.

I can understand that frustration... and yes.. Parked should answer Kate's question. We are tired of being in the dark.

 

[D_Struct]

I can understand that frustration... and yes.. Parked should answer Kate's question. We are tired of being in the dark.

I find it kind of troubling that Kate's questions went unanswered regarding those forum members to whom he was affiliated.

It casts a little bit of a shadow on certain individuals here (and from Texas), and it's always best to get that cleared up.

For those fuzzy with Texas geography, I'm over 3 hours from him!

 

[Walrus]

He's acknowledged an affiliation with JantyUSA. Much as I hope his venture suceeds, if I'd known that I probably wouldn't have ordered from him. I have a very short "sh*tlist" of vendors not to order from. Actually it consists of one... JantyUSA. I feel kinda like I was backdoored into ordering from them anyway.

 

[soylantgreen]

I must chime in that Parked's video reviews on the Dura were my primary reason for going w/ Janty.

I've gotten very poor service from janty and am in the middle of trying to get a refund from them. I don't blame Parked my any means for Janty's customer service, but the fact that he's now mysteriously "working" with/for them make me a little dubious about the bias of his vids.

 

[Kate]

I wonder when Cash became aware of Parked's conflicting interests ... before or after reviews were posted.

 

[parked]

I wonder when Cash became aware of Parked's conflicting interests ... before or after reviews were posted.

Kate-

He knew after my reviews he knew 4 weeks ago

as for my reviews there are some up for products I don't even carry

I really don't see the problem with this honestly

we talked for about 30 min about this and we talked about
other things etc....


It would have been wrong for me not to ask ! But I did let him know
and asked his thoughts etc....

Thanks

Parked

 

[parked]

I must chime in that Parked's video reviews on the Dura were my primary reason for going w/ Janty.

I've gotten very poor service from janty and am in the middle of trying to get a refund from them. I don't blame Parked my any means for Janty's customer service, but the fact that he's now mysteriously "working" with/for them make me a little dubious about the bias of his vids.

Let me make this clear " I do not work for Jantyusa"

We share office space together

I buy all of Janty products up front then i put them on my website

Thanks

Parked