Met another vaper in public for the 1st time ever, and it was sad

[Bandit]

So today, for the first time EVER, I saw (and met) another e-cig user.

She was vaping a 510 and I was vaping on my GGT. We chatted a few minutes before I noticed she was pregnant. I asked her (politely) about it, and she said her doctor was unsure about the possible dangers, so she decided to keep vaping.

I had to speak my mind... I didn't put her down, but she certainly got my point.

Geez, how dumb are people? Inhaling ANYTHING into your system, be it cigarette smoke, or vapor is not wise if you're pregnant. Not to mention the fact that absolutely no one has any idea what the long term effects of vaping may be on our bodies, let alone that of an unborn baby.

Again, I was nice, but made sure she understood the game of chance she was playing with her unborn child. I'm no one's keeper, and I mind my own business usually, but this was almost like watching someone let their kid play with a knife or something... something had to be said.

What a dumbass.

 

[Angela]

It's all very well saying that, but as is said over and over again, there are many smokers who can't give up. Did you consider that she may have tried her best to give up altogether but just found she couldn't and so is vaping believing it to be the lesser of two evils?

How many times do you read on this forum about people who tried everything to give up cigarettes but just couldn't do it (until the e-cig came along)?

 

[RIMP]

I agree to a point Would you have rather seen her smoking She's probably doing her best

RIMP

 

[Bandit]

Sorry, I omitted much of the 25 minute conversation...

She had quit smoking a few months back with e-cigs, but now has gotten past the "need" to vape as well. She says she only does so because she enjoys the flavors, etc... but does not feel dependent upon them. She does not believe she would fall back on smoking if she quit vaping.

 

[Ninjas67]

Lighten up a bit- folks in the past didn't curtail drinking/smoking or whatever hardly at all-if any. And now that folks do, the statistics don't really show a whole lot less birth defects or related problems. I'm not saying it is the wisest thing to do, but I wouldn't say anything to a person about it if they had managed to quit cigs.

 

[Angela]

Not the same, I know, but mothers-to-be are also told to drastically reduce/give up their caffeine intake as well.

My sister used to be a bit of a strong coffee-aholic and ignored this advice whilst she was pregnant..... and it's a good thing she did.

My neice (who is now 30) was born almost 3 months premature and barely 2lb at birth. She was actually told in the premature baby unit that if she wasn't such a coffee adict, then it would have been highly unlikely that my neice would have survived. The caffeine had given her the stimulus she needed to survive at that weight / early delivery time.

Going back to the subject of this thread, yes, smoking can cause some problems, but the main concerns are over premature birth and reduced birth weight and almost always smoking is no more than a 'contributing factor' to these problems, rather than the total cause. Don't get me wrong, yes, it is good advice for a pregnant woman not to smoke, but there is an element here of 'buying into the headlines', just as the public are being fed the 'e-cigs contain carcinogens and anti-freeze' line. It's the smallpint that they don't feed you with the headlines that you should also look at, like, did you know that the trauma to the body of a pregnant woman completely giving up smoking suddenly carries a significicant risk of miscarriage?

All I'm really saying is, I think saying this woman is a 'dumbass' is rather OTT, IMHO

 

[thewomenfolk]

Angela, you are a good angel.

 

[Angela]

Thank you (closest thing to an angel smilie I could find! )

 

[angjen0816]

I tried my hardest to quit smoking while pregnant. It was one of the most trying times of my life. I was able to cut down to ultra lights and get down to about a pack every 2 - 3 days but with all the stress in my life and anxiety issues, etc I just couldn't quit all the way. I WISH I had known about e-cigs then!!
But also, keep in mind, my baby came out PERFECT. Not a single problem with him at all. nothing. so, in a way its the luck of the draw (no pun intended) I know plenty of people who treated their bodies like sacred vessals while pregnant and their kids had issues. Its kinda unpredictable. but I must admit, I hid my smoking and when ever I see a pregnant smoker it kinda angers me too, even though it makes me a hypocrite

 

[whistlrr]

You know,

I've never been pregnant, but I've sat on the sidelines observing this thing about pregnancy and women and

sometimes I think about the only thing a pregnant woman could do that might please everyone and be 'safe enough' while pregnant would be to almost run around naked eating completely hand to mouth out of a garden (like "Eve") or something.. and even then she'd get yelled at for "dangerous UV and ozone risks' or something

otherwise she's eating processed food, having MSG and glutin and casien and food coloring (and whatever else probably mystery cancer causing stuff too) from processed food and then she's got and dye from her clothing and then there's having shots (and some of those seriously are dangerous.. as one giant example: see "Autism Thermisol and mercury"), she can't have hardly any medications for anything, just about every last one of them is dangerous for a pregnant woman, over the counter and all, see all the labels on them about this), then there's ultrasounds etc (you know all that xray type stuff just can't really be good for the baby either)

I'm not advocating for smoking or drinking having caffiene or holding your breath too long or getting too upset or standing on your head (or any of the other myriad of things that a pregnant woman probably shouldn't do), dont give 'em pain meds during the delivery either because thats not as good for the baby...

but geeze

how in the heck did most of the rest of us come out more or less well enough and come along and survive and all before these 'benefits' of modern science's knowledge and the total sterilization of pregnancy and just super pressure on them on top of just the whole stress and complee situation of just being pregnant?

You'd think the way everybody just goes completely overboard at all this (if you look at everything, the big crazy picture that is put on pregnant women) that there'd be no way for us to even be a human race to have made it this far, to hear the extremes this has all gone to all at once and to look at it all at once, you'd think far too many of us would have been far too premature and late and deformed and brain damaged and everything else before all these 'protections' and cautions kicked in.

Again, I don't advocate smoking or drinking or anything else for pregnant women (I guess its out to the garden for you, preggies!)

but on the other hand also I know a lot of people my age and older etc who's mothers drank the occasional glass of wine, even, mothers who yes smoked cigarettes, lots of them, mothers ate cans of tuna (whatever!) not condoning, just pointing out that it happened, and that they still managed to have normal healthy enough babies.

Just something to remember and think about while you're also item-by-item thinking about all the other combined nearly impossible genesis-level demands and 'no no's' put on her.

 

[rfun6]

Dang....I should have smoked more than I did. My babies were all big.

 

[MHR7331]

If I'm not able to experience having an 8 pound watermelon with appendages growing in my stomach only to pop out violently and painfully after reaching full size from a body cavity not particularly large enough to comfortably allow passage, I'm not telling anyone how they should go about it...

 

[SudokuGal]

Plain and simple...it just was not your place to say anything, however nicely you may think you said it.

 

[trog100]

and the other interesting thing is via one means of contraception or another we spent the biggest part of our lives deliberately preventing these wonderful things we so cherish from coming into being..

odd bunch aint we..

trog

 

[cassavetes]

God, some people just lack common sense.

Good for you for saying something, Bandit.

 

[hifistud]

and the other interesting thing is via one means of contraception or another we spent the biggest part of our lives deliberately preventing these wonderful things we so cherish from coming into being..

odd bunch aint we..

trog

How do you get 30 seconds once a month to equal "the biggest part of our lives"?

 

[trog100]

How do you get 30 seconds once a month to equal "the biggest part of our lives"?

he he he... no answer to that..

trog

 

[CJsKee]

If I'm not able to experience having an 8 pound watermelon with appendages growing in my stomach only to pop out violently and painfully after reaching full size from a body cavity not particularly large enough to comfortably allow passage, I'm not telling anyone how they should go about it...

^^^ A lot of babies who are now my age came from mommies who smoked or lived with a smoker. I smoked when I was pregnant. We did not have the rabid anti's telling us all the things that were bad for us and trying to get us to quit using them. Hell, I didn't wash my hands before picking up my daughter when she was a baby, either! Just saying...

 

[Rhaevyn]

Although I think your heart was in the right place Bandit, unfortunately we can't all "save the world". I wonder, did you ask if she was vaping 0 nic?

I am a baby boomer. My mother and father both smoked and my mother smoked while pregnant with both me and my sister. I think she even smoked filterless. I remember her showing me a picture of when I was around 2 and had discovered her ashtray and was happily munching on the cigarette, tobacco and paper drooling all over my face. No cancer. I'm still here... who knows.

I now have two grown daughters. I smoked with the first one, but quit when I found out number two was on the way (one of the two times in life I quit /sigh). Daughter one was almost 7 pounds but she had an ear infection at one week old. Was it from smoking? We'll never know. She is very lean, has been her whole life. She is now 23.

Baby two was almost 8 pounds (7.14) and chubby as hell. Always smiling. From not smoking? Or maybe because she's a Cancer and they are just smiley people. Number one's a bull headed Taurus. So... smoking? Astrology? Again, who knows...

Life throws a lot of crap at us. How we can deal with it mentally and chemically depends on many factors. I know that this time I will never go back to cigarettes. I know that I feel so different, and so much better. Almost all of every human's physical issues can be linked to improper diet. That is actually the hardest battle to fight, even moreso than addiction to nicotine. Just eating right would just about cure the world.

 

[Beer Man]

My uninformed opinion: Babies are tougher than you think.