Holy crud. I hope someone calls her out on the flavored beer thing. That needs to be all over social media.
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Like all people he had his good points and bad points. He pushed his point so hard it lost focus though. Desperation does that. He became a zealot. The very thing he had a problem with in the beginning. Doesn’t make everything he said wrong. Zealots usually have at least one thing right. They tend to say if this one thing I know to be true is perfectly true (which it often isn’t quite) then this second thing must also be perfectly true, and errors accrue till they’re raving at shadows.
An example of not-the-actual-problem. What she needs is good information which she apparently doesn’t have. She’s been lied to I suspect.
not true. Even just within the United States. San Fransico attempted such a thing recently. It’s gone very poorly, predictably.
imho true
also true, though there’s been a lot of such things going on at the federal level
now you’re completely out to lunch. China outside of its tier one and two cities has almost zero law enforcement. They don’t concern themselves much with public health. Or anything that isn’t an actual attack on the government.
from both sides of the fence. Both the right and left are attacking it
already has been
that’s often a danger word. You know what the rest of the entire world is thinking do you?
another danger word
that would be the opposite of reality. Vaping has been completely banned in places in the world and afaik alway by edict
She’s certainly damaged her credibility massively in some circles.
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I consider it the problem and the public needs to know that she is against flavored eliquid but flavored beer with her name on it is apparently fine.
And I suspect it is a foolish move that will go very badly for her in the long term. So very badly they the whole thing may have been a setup to remove her. That flavored beer thing clearly doesn’t happen quickly and she’s clearly highly invested in it. The flavored eliquid thing was very very fast though.
I don't know much about the beer (although I think to BE a politician you have to have something DREADFUL that becomes irony at some point it seems like a requirement) BUT
She looks like an excellent mud wrestling candidate.
I'm starting to think, like, that should be a part of the primary process or something. Like, okay Bernie Sanders would be dead, but lets face it even HE is kind of a feminine hygiene product. I would lose no sleep of Bernie.
Also, the VP would have to mud wrestle a WOMAN and NOT have his wife PRESENT (although maybe Pence is just a nice guy and wants to avoid the orgies I know *I* would.)
Can you imagine HILLARY like, instructing you to join an orgy? I would run. Far.
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She looks like an excellent mud wrestling candidate.
I'm starting to think, like, that should be a part of the primary process or something. Like, okay Bernie Sanders would be dead, but lets face it even HE is kind of a feminine hygiene product. I would lose no sleep of Bernie.
Also, the VP would have to mud wrestle a WOMAN and NOT have his wife PRESENT (although maybe Pence is just a nice guy and wants to avoid the orgies I know *I* would.)
Can you imagine HILLARY like, instructing you to join an orgy? I would run. Far.
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I’m sensing some conflation between the presidential primary and women’s mud wrestling
Bernie has a past rep for unusual outside of the box programs that turn out to work really well in the end. How much of that is still in him is another question. I do agree he would be meat in a mud wrestling competition. He probably would too.
This effects many thousands of people. It could be that the smallest percentage of them are the kids the governor says she must protect. Is there an emergency to justify an immediate prohibition? Certainly not. Huricane Dorian would be. When I'm the boss I say, you always get your say, don't always get your way. There was time for a public discussion and feed back. I consider this poor leadership. You mention that China doesn't have the rule of law, apparently true. I suspect the Michigan courts will agree the governor's method of getting her way does not show sufficient respect for the law.
There seems to be a severe dissonance in the article. The first half says any products, while the second is specific about only modified non official channels products.
I didn't read it a dissonance, I mean they KNOW there's problems with [letter] vapes. But for the nic, they're unsure. That's just their current "facts".
What I want to know is how many of the confiscated/donated stuff is "normal" nic-vape or some weird off-brand or street stuff. How many were donated that weren't the cause? Etc etc etc.
I mean with millions of vapers, and 10+ years of vaping, we'd have a lot more incidents if it was intrinsic to normal vaping. So it must be some bad ingredients of some kind. I'd think. These teens haven't been vaping for 10 years like many of us.
It's fake news created by fake journalists. It was pretty obvious from the start that a batch of T_C eliquid got contaminated and likely all of it came from one source. Since the product has now sickened someone who bought from a licensed retailer (in Washington State?) it shouldn't be too hard to track down the manufacturer. One article I found claims that such products are required to be lab tested. Did the store buy black market product? Did the lab overlook a contaminent? I'm confident all the important questions will be answered.
"Last night we celebrated the release of “The Gov” at Lansing Brewing Company. Thank you to everyone who came out for the festivities and to LBC for the new brew!" -- Governor Gretchen Whitmer
The new brew is an orange and tangerine flavored beer named The Gov.
Bans vaping flavors - releases orange and tangerine flavored beer. What am I missing here?
Un
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This poorly written article with Whitmer's quotes shows just how misinformed she is. Either that or she is purposely spreading more bs. In part she says, "We have to enforce the ban, but we also have to keep these drugs out of our children’s hands." The ban she refers to in that particular quote is the legislated ban on the sale of e-cigs to minors, signed into law this past June. She wasn't able to get all she wanted from the two bills that passed and here we are today.
Gov. Whitmer directs state to ban sales of flavored vape products, remove from shelves
She doesn't do anything if there's no photo op, seriously, I imagine she's had wallpaper made with her photos for her office, she seems to live on media attention.
There is a young R state rep. in the UP, Beau LaFave. According to his fb comments, he will fight this ban.
Rep. LaFave says he’ll fight against ban on flavored vaping products
Gov. Whitmer directs state to ban sales of flavored vape products, remove from shelves
She doesn't do anything if there's no photo op, seriously, I imagine she's had wallpaper made with her photos for her office, she seems to live on media attention.
There is a young R state rep. in the UP, Beau LaFave. According to his fb comments, he will fight this ban.
Rep. LaFave says he’ll fight against ban on flavored vaping products
technically true. Balancing the lives of older smokers vs kids is not something I yearn to do myself. The problem I have with the order is it won’t actually solve any problems but causes significant ones. It was dumb.
perception vs reality. There looks like there is one of you don’t pay enough attention, certainly. In ACTUALITY? Mostly likely not. Again, it’s dumb.
so you then contradict yourself. This is weird
good for you. A lot of people do. Including me. She got played and stuck her foot in it.
Still haven’t seen why this is being aimed at me though.
absolutely NOT what I said. I said outside of its larger cities which are open to various levels of foreign observation legal enforcement is reported to be very very low for all but crimes that directly concern the authority of the communist party. That’s not lack of rule of law, exactly.
Good for you. I have no intention of attempting to predict the flow of the Michigan legal process myself. I don’t have much information on how it even works specifically.
I suspect today's CDC's announcement to "stop vaping" will greatly bolster her case against any suits, justifying the "emergency".
Watch this hit (as was mentioned above too) state by state. Will be interesting to see how the various states handle this.
Watch this hit (as was mentioned above too) state by state. Will be interesting to see how the various states handle this.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but at least Zeller seems to be conveying the truth. CDC not so much.
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"While this investigation is ongoing, people should consider not using e-cigarette products," says Dr. Dana Meaney-Delman, incident manager of the CDC's response to the vaping-related lung injuries.
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"With these increasing reports," Zeller said, "if you're thinking of purchasing one of these products off the street, out of the back of a car, out of a trunk, in an alley — or if you are then going to go home and make modifications to the product yourself using something that you purchased from some third party or got from a friend — think twice."
"About 80% of those patients had used products containing THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, and 61% used nicotine products. Some 7% used cannabidiol, or CBD, products."
So your going to tell me that those <20% of mostly <20 year olds are going to admit to what they vaped?
I do notice that number is well over 100% when combined. What I want to see is the percentage of people using unadulterated devices and which devices they were."About 80% of those patients had used products containing ..., the active ingredient in ........., and 61% used nicotine products. Some 7% used cannabidiol, or ..., products."
So your going to tell me that those <20% of mostly <20 year olds are going to admit to what they vaped?
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