Michigan first state to ban flavored ecigs

[bnrkwest]

"Last night we celebrated the release of “The Gov” at Lansing Brewing Company. Thank you to everyone who came out for the festivities and to LBC for the new brew!" -- Governor Gretchen Whitmer

The new brew is an orange and tangerine flavored beer named The Gov.
Bans vaping flavors - releases orange and tangerine flavored beer. What am I missing here?

Oh the crazy world we live in, it's a real circus everyday. Nothing makes sense

 

[mcduffy]

NPR Here and Now brief interview with the Chief Medical Executive of the State of Michigan who says she is the one who declared a state of emergency - begins at 36:18 lasts 6 minutes.

Sept. 6, 2019: World War II's Toll On Poland; Kentucky Coal Miners

 

[AttyPops]

Sanity:
What’s Going on With These Mysterious Vaping-Related Illnesses?

 

[rosesense]

Alex Clark said a rally is being planned for September 27th in Lansing. Details are unknown at this time. CASAA will have details later.

 

[sofarsogood]

NPR Here and Now brief interview with the Chief Medical Executive of the State of Michigan who says she is the one who declared a state of emergency - begins at 36:18 lasts 6 minutes.

Sept. 6, 2019: World War II's Toll On Poland; Kentucky Coal Miners

Thanks for posting that. Now I've heard the governor and her chief public health person. I expected more from a department head. I believe she said some things that are intentionally deceptive, not so good from someone in her position.

(to jump to the interiew at 36 minutes there is a control icon in the lower left of the page, took me a while to notice that.)

 

[Izan]

I have not seen this posted;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...eadly-lung-illnesses-state-federal-labs-show/

Cheers
I

 

[stols001]

CDC Says Number Of Possible Cases Of Vaping-Related Lung Illness Has Doubled

WHO SAID THE CDC IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED, EVER???

Me, that is who and nobody listened. This is just MORE of their suckage and people will be all "But the CDC said so," like it's some scientific RESOURCE.

I'm not sure there is any scientific "work" being done in the USA any more and if it is, it's probably private.

This is like the NIH coming and kicking me in the face, only if the NIH did that, I would have to end things. I just--

I'm not going to say I told you so but I SO TOLD YOU SO!!!

Anna

 

[stols001]

Also, SOB I was gone 2.5 hours crafting 12 lovely new mixes and I come back to THIS.

However, I am also calm. I have flavors, I have TWO huge orders that came. I have more of the flavors I use the most.

I also went wackjob nuts like ,deciding my flavors had to be UPRIGHT in the fridge, and I actually found EXACTLY enough boxes and a fridge configuration that allowed me to make it work ,with my base.

I am buying more nic this pay period though, THAT is going to be happening. I SEE where this is going but I will not need flavors for a good long while. That's for absolute sure.

It's like I was psychic though, I was like, "Girrrl you cannot waste a flavor by putting it in a zip lock bag, you have to have them all standing up like SOLDIERS.

CDC I know better than to take you on, you polio owners. I really don't' trust people dedicated to the "eradication" of disease keeping a live version of that strain, "just in case it is scientifically useful?"

Useful for what? The end of the world?

Anna

 

[Horselady154]

now you’re completely out to lunch. China outside of its tier one and two cities has almost zero law enforcement. They don’t concern themselves much with public health. Or anything that isn’t an actual attack on the government.

Righto. They have "social scores" for that. That said, America is getting all too close to doing something similar. Regardless of country, the action is communistic.

 

[AttyPops]

Only if "something similar" is corporate takeover of the country and deregulation of politics/campaign-spending/banking/monopolies. Then sure.

But I digress.

FDA is owned by BT and BP.

CDC...I think they're just being cautious, since they haven't EXCLUSIVELY ruled out other contaminants in non-green-stuff vapes. That's what the article reads like.

 

[stols001]

They are being jerks is what they are being. By ruling out nothing, they include everything.

IF they don't have the ANSWERS yet the should SHUT the hell UP shouldn't they? Isn't that what science does when it's looking for answers it either says nothing or "We have no clue yet."

I hate them so much, it's almost satisfying to be legitimized but like, not. Exactly.

I mean, that's like saying "We are speculating if the polio virus is still you know, fatal or not so we released some. We are studying it. From our bunker.

Come to think most polio vaccine folks have the shot, so they'd be left. They might like that a lot only then society is doomed to extinction. Etc. IDK maybe it's not so bad I have always wanted an Iron Lung.

You know, I read a book about how they got the vaccine across like ALL over the place, they shoved it in kids who like, got sick and then they grabbed it from that kid and shoved it in the NEXT kid and that is how it was achieved. It was absolutely fascinating in a Steven King kinda way.
Anna

 

[CMD-Ky]

Bad, I don't know what to do with this post. I agree with it but at the same time, it makes somewhat ill. I am certain that the people who can see the logical inconsistencies of this woman are perhaps ten percent.

"Last night we celebrated the release of “The Gov” at Lansing Brewing Company. Thank you to everyone who came out for the festivities and to LBC for the new brew!" -- Governor Gretchen Whitmer

The new brew is an orange and tangerine flavored beer named The Gov.
Bans vaping flavors - releases orange and tangerine flavored beer. What am I missing here?

 

[CMD-Ky]

I not only listened, I agreed.

WHO SAID THE CDC IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED, EVER???

Me, that is who and nobody listened. This is just MORE of their suckage and people will be all "But the CDC said so," like it's some scientific RESOURCE.

I'm not sure there is any scientific "work" being done in the USA any more and if it is, it's probably private.

This is like the NIH coming and kicking me in the face, only if the NIH did that, I would have to end things. I just--

I'm not going to say I told you so but I SO TOLD YOU SO!!!

Anna

 

[Rossum]

I am not alert enough to figure out what it would cost me to make a gallon but I know there is substantial savings with DIY.

It can be done for under $50. Nic and flavorings are the biggest variables.

 

[stols001]

It can be started for fifty bucks but if you want a lifetime of nic after starting, that is substantially more expensive.

BTW this is the first time I have mixed exclusively with the "bottom of the barrel" price wise Heartland nic, and I find it to be absolutely fine. I might just get more of that, it's like "any nic is fine with me." As well as, "Pretty much permanently on sale."

To be fair I would not call me a nicotine connecter, exactly. I mean, I smoked basics in college. They were cheap. Their slogan should really be the "Delightful taste of heavy metals" but I smoked them for a while. They were cheap.

Still better than the most expensive cigar, but cigars give me headaches, even the smoke, probably especially the smoke.

Anna

 

[sofarsogood]

My rough estimates are 200-300 thousand adults buy vape products and 1000+ locations may have vape related products for sale in Michigan. The governor has created significant problems for all those business owners and consumers. I doubt any thought was given to the responses of so many people.

 

[Qew]

Apparently Illinois has been working on this too. Filed 9/5/19: Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB3883

 

[CMD-Ky]

My rough estimates are 200-300 thousand adults buy vape products and 1000+ locations may have vape related products for sale in Michigan. The governor has created significant problems for all those business owners and consumers. I doubt any thought was given to the responses of so many people.

I am sure that the Gov gave those folks all the consideration they were due as purveyors and consumers of poison, going around addicting and killing kids in epidemic numbers. She is a good person and only wants what's best for her constituents, that can only be accomplished by her exercise of dictatorial power. God bless her.

 

[Rossum]

I am sure that the Gov gave those folks all the consideration they were due as purveyors and consumers of poison, going around addicting and killing kids in epidemic numbers. She is a good person and only wants what's best for her constituents, that can only be accomplished by her exercise of dictatorial power. God bless her.

Fixed that for you. Changed text color to green.

 

[440BB]

With a rally at the Capitol planned for 9/27, there may be enough time for the facts to filter through to the decision makers in Michigan. Highly doubtful IMO.