Might I get addicted to nicotine?

[mkbilbo]

I do not understand why you would want to fool around with an e-cig. Nicotine is an addictive substance and you can become dependent on it.

If you are going to do so any way, purchase some 0 nicotine liquid and throw out the high nicotine you already have, just not worth the chance.

I don't even begin to get why a non-smoker would have any interest in vaping at all. Even 0 nic. Honestly, don't get it.

And what bothers me about it most is remembering that I knew I liked smoking before I started. Don't ask me why. Just did. And I was right. And still do. Still miss it sometimes. Like right now actually.

Makes me wonder if these periodic "curious non-smokers" aren't part of that suspected subset of folk with a major predisposition to nicotine addiction and are at the greatest risk...

 

[zapped]

Can you PM me links to those studies? (for two reasons: 1. they could be ANTZ propaganda, 2. I want to check their methodology) All the studies I've seen seem to indicate that nicotine by itself is about as addictive as caffeine.

And yes that is my experience with nicotine and I have been said to have an addictive personality.

They arent ANTZ propaganda I assure you. I've been a member of CAASA myself for several years now and also served as their Richmond Va rep.

Just Google addiction studies ...you can substitute nicotine for any number of substances or vice versa in the search field and come across some pretty interesting results. The ones you are looking for are the ones that deal less with the substance and more with the actual addiction. Also try "Addiction study in rats" some become so addicted that they press a button to the exclusion of all else and eventually die.

I was hooked on nicotine and the other 4k chemicals in cigarettes the first time I tried them and I suspect you were too.....why else would you smoke for several years before realizing your addiction? The enjoyment of it? Its one of the foulest things you can do to yourself.

People like to say they enjoy smoking but now that Ive finally quit I suspect its a chemical talking as it sure as hell doesnt taste good and we know it isnt healthy for us.

 

[zoiDman]

Probably says a lot. But the only thing it says for sure is ...."He doesn't post much yet." The post is only 2 hours old.

You know that 2 Hours in Forum Time is like 2 Days in the Real World.

Heck, the way this thread is Going, I bet it is Closed by the time the OP comes back to Check on It.

LOL

 

[DeeDee1234]

Get some 0 nic juice, don't use nic unless you are a;ready adicted

 

[AttyPops]

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And what bothers me about it most is remembering that I knew I liked smoking before I started. Don't ask me why. Just did. And I was right. And still do. Still miss it sometimes. Like right now actually.
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Dang it. Knock it off!
Vape. Vape. Vape.

Addiction be nasty, yo. Stay away if ya can!

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here." - addiction

 

[Abe_Katz]

Not for all of us. My first cravings showed up in a matter of days.

The word craving doesn't exactly have a scientific definition. I have "cravings" for chocolate, and yet I can refrain from eating it for long periods of time and we don't generally talk about people having chocolate addictions unless they are eating absurd amounts of chocolate.

There are some studies that suggest some of us are predisposed to seriously strong nicotine addiction. Considering how fast I became addicted, the nightmarishness of every quit attempt, and that only vaping (a substitute nicotine delivery method) got me to quit smoking... I'm pretty sure I'm one of them.

First I can sympathize with the nightmarishness of quitting smoking. Indeed vaping only worked for me too. However I think that has to do in part with being addicted (I didn't bother to attempt quitting before I started having health consequences of smoking) and in part because I derive great benefit from nicotine (I have ADD, and it helps me concentrate--ADD is usually treated with stimulants).

Second, I want to see these studies. There are hypothesis out there that there are certain genetic markers that would lead one toward a nicotine addiction, however, these genetic markers are both quite common and not everyone smokes or uses nicotine.

And there's no way to know ahead of time whether you're susceptible or not. You'll only know after it's too late.

Agreed, which is why I would not recommend that a non-user of nicotine take up vaping a nicotine containing juice.

 

[Abe_Katz]

They arent ANTZ propaganda I assure you. I've been a member of CAASA myself for several years now and also served as their Richmond Va rep.

As a member of CASAA myself I am interested in the science behind these studies. The science is what is important to me.

Just Google addiction studies ...you can substitute nicotine for any number of substances in the search field and come across some pretty interesting results. The ones you are looking for are the ones that deal less with the substance and more with the actual addiction. Also try "Addiction study in rats" some become so addicted that they press a button to the exclusion of all else and eventually die.

Yes I've read several studies, and I have also read that that conclusion was still in the hypothesis stage.

I was hooked on nicotine and the other 4k chemicals in cigarettes the first time I tried them and I suspect you were too.....why else would you smoke for several years before realizing your addiction? The enjoyment of it? Its one of the foulest things you can do to yourself.

My experience with smoking is that when I was much younger and that smokes were harder to get I could go long periods of time without smoking or even having a "craving" (which itself is not a defined scientific term). As for why I smoked I derived benefit from nicotine. Having Attention Deficit Disorder is a major pain in the you-know-where. Given that I could smoke with fewer side effects to the prescription crap (which essentially caused me depression and zombie like behavior) I considered it at the time worth the risk.

People like to say they enjoy smoking but now that Ive finally quit I suspect its a chemical talking as it sure as hell doesnt taste good and we know it isnt healthy for us.

You probably are right about that. One thing I never liked was the taste of cigarettes, which is why I went to a pipe pretty quickly. Pipe tobacco is processed far less than cigarette tobacco. That said I can't stand the taste of pipe tobacco now.

 

[fabricator4]

2. It usually takes a while to develop a nicotine addiction. Generally several years--with smoking that is, and smoking is the most addictive form of nicotine use.

I don't think so.

One or two cigarettes a day for a week is enough to start a life long addiction. Going from "slightly addicted" to "strongly addicted" are just different spots on the slippery slope to smoking related disease and a lifelong addiction.

Yes, as the years go by smokers will increase their dependence and smoke more. That's how we get to a pack or more a day habit, and suffer anxiety at the mere thought of running out or not being able to get our fix.

There's a few people who have to work hard at getting addicted to nicotine, and you may be one of the lucky ones. For the vast majority of us however, the addiction was started with the first packet of cigarettes bought.

5. As a non-smoker who is experimenting with vaping, be fore warned you will receive flack from many vapers (I'm not one of them) for taking up vaping. The vast majority of vapers right now have used or are using PVs to quit smoking, or in my case switch to a form of nicotine uses that has fewer health consequences.

I agree that adults should be free to make up their own minds about what they do. I also agree that non-smokers should be discouraged from taking up vaping at every opportunity. You'd have to agree that something that "has fewer health consequences" is not necessarily the same as "is a perfectly healthy pastime". I can only hope that vaping by non-smokers is just a fad for any individual and that without the nicotine reward it soon becomes an episode best forgotten.

 

[Katya]

Dear OP, nobody can tell you whether or how soon you'll get addicted to nicotine. Some people can drink small amounts of alcohol and never get addicted, others drink one glass and become alcoholics.

If you're concerned, don't use nicotine in your eliquids, like so many others have already said.

 

[djsvapour]

I agree that adults should be free to make up their own minds about what they do. I also agree that non-smokers should be discouraged from taking up vaping at every opportunity. You'd have to agree that something that "has fewer health consequences" is not necessarily the same as "is a perfectly healthy pastime". I can only hope that vaping by non-smokers is just a fad for any individual and that without the nicotine reward it soon becomes an episode best forgotten.

Good post.

I also feel it's not a good idea to start Vaping nicotine if a person has not used it before. There are theories (I wouldn't know if they are true) that nicotine addiction is permanent; i.e. once you have used it, you will always have a "taste" for it.

Personally speaking, if people want to vape zero nic to enjoy (?) the sensation, that's OK.

I think the O.P. was just a little naive and asking a reasonable question.

 

[Dac311]

We are all here as a way to get off cigarettes. If you're going to use nicotine, is rather you do it with e cigs than anything else. However, I'd rather you do no nicotine. You might be able to trade with someone who needs juice with nicotine. Or just waste the juice, give it away and order some no nic juice. This is a free country, and you are welcome to do as you please. But, please heed the warning of the thousands of exsmokers/ smokers here and stop using the nicotine based liquid. It is a highly addictive substance.

 

[zapped]

Last thing Im going to say on the subject is that Ive found more success listening to that little voice in my head than ignoring it. Its there for a reason....unless youre a schizophrenic in which case you should be on meds

 

[Abe_Katz]

I don't think so.

One or two cigarettes a day for a week is enough to start a life long addiction.

For some people sure. For everyone? Probably not. Generally? Thats a gray area, but I simply don't buy into the concept that you smoke one cigarette you're hooked on nicotine. That statement requires some strong evidence.

Going from "slightly addicted" to "strongly addicted" are just different spots on the slippery slope to smoking related disease and a lifelong addiction.

I'm pretty sure we're agreed on that. There is a difference between "slightly addicted" and "strongly addicted"; however, both are poorly defined.

Yes, as the years go by smokers will increase their dependence and smoke more. That's how we get to a pack or more a day habit, and suffer anxiety at the mere thought of running out or not being able to get our fix.

Yes that has been my experience as well. I smoked from the time I was 13-33. I found that once I was over 18 and could easily accquire tobacco to smoke I started smoking far much more than I did previously.

There's a few people who have to work hard at getting addicted to nicotine, and you may be one of the lucky ones. For the vast majority of us however, the addiction was started with the first packet of cigarettes bought.

Perhaps, but that shouldn't be the case. 1. I supposedly have an "addictive personality". 2. Everyone in my family excluding my mother smoked or used some other form of tobacco. 3. My experience is that before I was about 20 or so I could go several days without smoking--usually when I was working long periods of over time.

I agree that adults should be free to make up their own minds about what they do. I also agree that non-smokers should be discouraged from taking up vaping at every opportunity. You'd have to agree that something that "has fewer health consequences" is not necessarily the same as "is a perfectly healthy pastime". I can only hope that vaping by non-smokers is just a fad for any individual and that without the nicotine reward it soon becomes an episode best forgotten.

I think with non-smokers taking up vaping we're going to have two types that are going to try it.

Type 1: Persons who would have been smokers anyway. In Sweden for example where snus is popular people who would have a tendency to use tobacco (about 1 in 5) went to snus directly rather than taking up smoking, and stayed on snus.

Type 2: Those who wish to experiment with it and would otherwise not smoke or use nicotine in other forms. They may vape for a while and then give it up. How much of that is a fad I have no idea.

Over all I do agree that there is a big difference between "has fewer health consequences" to "is a perfectly healthy pastime". My stance is and always will be that for those who are using or will use nicotine that they are better off vaping or using smokeless tobacco than smoking.

 

[presidentk1]

For what its worth, I wasnt much of a cig smoker at all. Maybe only smoked a 100 or so my whole life.

I smoked hookah though and that wonderful green substance.

Never considered myself addicted to nicotine.

Been vaping for months now, never had a nic craving.

Everyone is different. Theres no way to predict if/when you will become addicted to any substance.

 

[AngelsBreath]

Hi,

A few days ago, I ordered an e-cigarette + e-liquid (10ml), just to try. (I don't want it to stop smoking, just to fool around with it). However, today I noticed that the e-liquid I bought is High in Nicotine (18mg/ml). I don't want to throw it away , so If I use it, and afterward I use nicotine free e-liquid, might I get addicted to nicotine?

I'd also like to know if you have any cheap link for nicotine free e-liquid.

Thanks!

PS: I am not a smoker.

Bottom line: If I try 5ml to 10ml e-liquid nicotine, might it lead me to addiction?

*The E-liquid I bought: Tobacco Tar Oil for Electronic Cigarette - Red Bull Flavor (10ml) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

 

[mkbilbo]

The word craving doesn't exactly have a scientific definition. I have "cravings" for chocolate, and yet I can refrain from eating it for long periods of time and we don't generally talk about people having chocolate addictions unless they are eating absurd amounts of chocolate.

All I can tell you is I was in civics class (yeah, high school, back when we rode dinosaurs ) when I had my first "nicotine fit". I knew exactly what it was and what I wanted. And I wanted it very, very, very much. And that was early on. Like the first week I ever had a cigarette.

First I can sympathize with the nightmarishness of quitting smoking. Indeed vaping only worked for me too. However I think that has to do in part with being addicted (I didn't bother to attempt quitting before I started having health consequences of smoking) and in part because I derive great benefit from nicotine (I have ADD, and it helps me concentrate--ADD is usually treated with stimulants).

I am so addicted to nicotine that I had resigned myself to the health consequences. Whatever they were. Cancer didn't sound that bad up against those quit attempts.

(Bet you think I'm kidding. I'm not. If they take vaping away, I will smoke. End of story.)

Second, I want to see these studies. There are hypothesis out there that there are certain genetic markers that would lead one toward a nicotine addiction, however, these genetic markers are both quite common and not everyone smokes or uses nicotine.

Well, see, I remember reading about those studies back in pre-Katrina New Orleans and I probably squirreled the papers or articles away but I had an actual office back then which did not make the transition gracefully. In short, I could be digging until my first Social check arrives. So I'm not much help there.

Still, it wasn't "pop sci" crap. I've always been something of an academic by nature and was doing post-grad work in anthro at the time. Didn't have much use for the popular press. About the closest I got back then to "popular" publications was SciAm.

And predisposition is just that. Predisposition is not predestination. The ANTZ may want to oversimplify and use the research as a club as they seem to get some weird emotional satisfaction out of "punching downward" and need somebody to look down on but genetics is more complex than that.

 

[mkbilbo]

Dang it. Knock it off!
Vape. Vape. Vape.

Addiction be nasty, yo. Stay away if ya can!

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here." - addiction

Oh Ima vaping. Trust me.

And it's not a "craving" thing. It's weird. It's an almost... wistful thing. Like missing a friend. Almost a weird kind of nostalgia. It's odd.

Definitely not something strong enough to motivate me to go get a pack or anything. It's just catching myself in these odd moments of feeling kind of a... "Gosh, wouldn't it be nice?" kind of feeling.

Compared to my "quit" attempts, this ain't nuthin'. If that's the worst it can throw at me, I ain't gotta worry.

 

[AttyPops]

There is another potential solution, assuming you don't have major health issues already:

Vape the hell out of the high nic stuff. With another person present for safety. Limit it to a one hour session. Let us know how it all turns out.

 

[Myrany]

There is another potential solution, assuming you don't have major health issues already:

Vape the hell out of the high nic stuff. With another person present for safety. Let us know how it all turns out.

In case the OP misses the nuance. You will get sick very sick.

 

[yellowxboy]

i'm going to laugh if this was a troll post