Minors Vaping
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vaping stuff should not be sold to minors. And the argument that they already smoke cigs illegally carries no weight either. Yes people even teens use ...... but we should not make it legal for them to do it. We need to discourage children from doing things harmful to them, and being addicted to anything even if it does not cause cancer is not good. vaping is just less bad than smoking, far less bad as far as we can tell so far.
My view and I am sticking to it.
My view and I am sticking to it.
Started smoking when I was 11--regularly when I was 13/14
I only WISH they had vaporizers back in the 60's...woulda saved me over 40 years of tobacco smoke.
I only WISH they had vaporizers back in the 60's...woulda saved me over 40 years of tobacco smoke.
I too, had my first cigarette when I was ten or eleven. Began smoking regularly by thirteen. Back then, a teen could buy cigarettes. Some places, I knew to say they were for my parents. Maybe, If I could have been vaping back then, almost fifty years ago, I could still be jogging instead of waddling.
I do not condone teen vaping or smoking but it is going to happen.
I do not condone teen vaping or smoking but it is going to happen.
The fact is that kids will always find a way - to smoke, drink, do drugs, vape, have sex, whatever. But that doesn't mean that we should condone or enable it - I fully support keeping e-cigs out of the hands of kids as much as possible.
I don't think it should be legal.
As to available, that depends on the child. My daughter had a post-high school graduation sleepover party with a bunch of other squealing girls at our house. I left 2 wine coolers per kid in the fridge without saying anything. Some were still left and they were snoring by 3am.
Just as having an alcoholic beverage depends, so does vaping underage. If my kid was hooked on cigs, yes, but only in certain places like her car or at home. Other places...they are on their own.
Life goes on.
As to available, that depends on the child. My daughter had a post-high school graduation sleepover party with a bunch of other squealing girls at our house. I left 2 wine coolers per kid in the fridge without saying anything. Some were still left and they were snoring by 3am.
Just as having an alcoholic beverage depends, so does vaping underage. If my kid was hooked on cigs, yes, but only in certain places like her car or at home. Other places...they are on their own.
Life goes on.
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Currently I believe it is not illegal in Oregon for minors to buy ecigs, I would not mind if they would make it illegal. Most stores will not sell ecigs to minors regardless of what the law says. I remember when I was a teenager in the 60s it wasn't much trouble to get alcohol, don't see how they could stop them from getting ecigs without a total ban. Besides drugs are banned (with the exception of {OTHER STUFF}) but they still get them.
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I'm pretty sure that they will use it as an excuse, regardless if many minors are vaping or not (think of the children!). I expect no less from our government and nanny state politicians, whose sole purpose seems to be to intrude on other people's freedom, waste tax payer dollars and to meddle where they do not belong.
Even if they're using that as their weapon...especially if they're using that as their weapon, it doesn't mean we should supply them with free ammunition for it...
O...kay? I don't understand the negativity; hit a sensitive issue with you there or something, did I?
My position on minors and vaping is that it should be just as hard/easy as it is for them to smoke. This is a somewhat selfish position predicated not on the health implications of the practice, which I believe to be the responsibility of their parents to sort out, but upon the probability of restrictive regulations that will impact adult THR vapers arising in response to a need to "protect the children."
Children should be able to legally buy and drink beer. Beer is less dangerous than liquor, so it is better that they drink beer instead of liquor...
This is, of course, as silly as stating they should be able to vape, as vaping is less harmful than smoking...
Both are adult activities, even in societies which are less strict concerning age restrictions for drinking and smoking..,
This is, of course, as silly as stating they should be able to vape, as vaping is less harmful than smoking...
Both are adult activities, even in societies which are less strict concerning age restrictions for drinking and smoking..,
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We live in a society which doesn't want to see children emulating smoking...
The thing that bugs me is younger people who hadn't smoked - or even thought about it - all of a sudden thinking it's "cool" to vape. My son's girlfriend (20s) (who has never smoked) showed up the other day with an Ego - a "pretty" one, of course. I crawled her a** about it, and she claimed she just liked "playing with the smoke" (yeehah another cloud-chaser). The bad thing was the "fruity/sweet" juice was .6 nic - she wasn't even aware the juice might have nicotine, or that she could get 0 nic juice! I wanted to storm the shop she got it from for selling nic juice to a noob without at least asking!
These kids start this without even getting the least amount of pertinent information, and apparently the shops around here aren't regulating themselves very well...no wonder the "almighty guvmint" wants to step in!! I'm fully against any "government" regulation, but once again, we do it to ourselves. People should be allowed to make their own decisions - even bad ones - but they should also have the information needed. If we don't do it, the guvmint damn sure will!!
These kids start this without even getting the least amount of pertinent information, and apparently the shops around here aren't regulating themselves very well...no wonder the "almighty guvmint" wants to step in!! I'm fully against any "government" regulation, but once again, we do it to ourselves. People should be allowed to make their own decisions - even bad ones - but they should also have the information needed. If we don't do it, the guvmint damn sure will!!
It's great that vaping is now out there as an alternative to smoking because it's much better for you. But it's important to remember that vaping is just better, it still causes loads of problems and making it legal for minors could cause them to see it as okay.
On the other hand, I feel like children who are caught smoking (by the police etc) should be allowed, as it could save their lives.
But you must remember, nicotine causes problems, as do other chemicals in e-liquid. Don't be fooled into thinking it's harmless and everyone should do it, it's still far from it!
Good argument though!
Oh and I smoked my first cig when I was 13 so I guess I'm a bit hypercritical!
On the other hand, I feel like children who are caught smoking (by the police etc) should be allowed, as it could save their lives.
But you must remember, nicotine causes problems, as do other chemicals in e-liquid. Don't be fooled into thinking it's harmless and everyone should do it, it's still far from it!
Good argument though!
Oh and I smoked my first cig when I was 13 so I guess I'm a bit hypercritical!
It looks like smoking and there are no long term, peer reviewed, government funded studies showing what is exhaled is safe for others to inhale. If it looks like smoking, best to treat it as smoking, is the prevailing attitude...
I wouldn't want my children addicted to nicotine full stop, for that reason of course there needs to be an age restriction, no decent parent would want their kids to vape which emulates smoking, even 0mg, yes vaping is better than smoking but I would never encourage it. Imagining my 11 year old daughter vaping and saying, oh this flavour is nice is ridiculous, If you don't have children then you wont understand.
why not sell vape equipment to under 18?? but ask them for ID if they want nic juices....
not selling them equipment is like not selling them a lighter since they could use it to light a ciggie, not selling them a cup of coke and ice since they could throw in some rum...
not selling them equipment is like not selling them a lighter since they could use it to light a ciggie, not selling them a cup of coke and ice since they could throw in some rum...
And that would be a perfectly good argument - except you seem to be forgetting that vaping in context of smoking is about harm reduction. No one has yet to say or prove that vaping is 100% harmless - with or without nicotine. Especially in context of any impact on juvenile body organs that are not fully formed and are continuing to grow.
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