I wasnt talking about kids at that age. If I was a parent I would never ever want my kid to vape at that age or even smoke. I dont know what its like to have children either, but I can understand where your coming from. If driving is legal at the age of 16 there must be a reason. Probably because the government feels like their mature enough to drive and not kill somebody. Vaping at the age of 16 seems right to me. Im talking about the future and not the present.
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The other day I passed the city highschool and there was a huge group of students gathered together smoking cigarettes. I completely understand their joy and fascination with cigs, I just wish it was avoidable somehow. We all know that a few of them will actually pick up the habit and remain for a long, long time.
I DO have children. And grandchildren. My daughter smokes, and I have given her vape equipment in the hopes that she'll quit. She is doing both now, so we'll see.
My grandchildren aren't teens yet, and I would think it's rare for kids to show an interest in smoking or vaping until at least puberty. If you're worried about your 11 year old vaping, then teach her your values and keep a close eye on her. It's not hard to control the activities of younger children. But once they reach puberty, they start the process of growing into adults, and start pulling away and spending more time away from our watchful eyes. Then it's up to them, and if we've done a good job of teaching our values, they won't likely stray far from them.
If my grandchildren were to show an interest in vaping at puberty (12 or 13?), I would support it. I would educate them. Why? Because if they show an interest in vaping, they are probably of the mindset that would make them interested in smoking. If they vape first, then try cigarettes, I think the nasty taste of cigs would turn them off. I would much rather them vape.
So we shouldn't allow it because we don't know that it's safe? Then why do we allow them to drink sodas, eat candy, eat greasy burgers and fries, ride a bicycle, climb a tree? We KNOW there are inherent dangers in all of these activities.
And nicotine has actually been proven to be beneficial to your health, especially for those with cognitive disorders - Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in Neurode... : Neurology Today . It's the tar, carbon monoxide, and 70 or so other toxic substances in cigarettes that concern me (and most of those come from the added chemicals - pure tobacco with no additives is FAR safer than the crap they sell in over-the-counter cigs - before I quit I was rolling my own cigs to avoid most of those chemicals).
I know that age restrictions on vaping will happen. I am not overly upset about it, but I cannot say that I support it because it is being pushed on us for all the wrong reasons, but under the banner of "protecting the children". I think that acquiring or maintaining power and control drives these laws (BT and "Public Health" officials have an interest in controlling vaping to further their agendas) and the general public will allow it mostly due to fear and ignorance.
When I was growing up,my parents and my older sister all smoked. Cigarettes were pretty easy for me to just grab and I was around them all the time. I think I was about 10 or so the first time I stole a cigarette, snuck off, and smoked it. I didn't start actually habitually smoking until just a few weeks shy of my 18th birthday. I smoked analogs for about 6 or 7 years before I got onto e-cigs, accidentally. I was working at a small "Mom n' Pop" tobacco shop and, as the only employee, tested out some ecigs to see if we wanted to sell them. Just using them long enough to feel the difference got me off of analogs eventually, but this is a whole different story.
I worked in a shop that sold ecigs around the beginning of the ecig surge. We just decided we weren't selling them to anyone under 18. From a legal perspective, this made sense for the store - ecigs belonged in some sort of legal grey area, and we weren't gonna push the limits. We also make that decision from a personal standpoint. Ecigs helped out my health, my wallet, and my life. They did the same for my boss. Neither of us were ready or willing to quit smoking, much less nicotine, but we both found ourselves switching smoothly and easily to the better option - ecigs. Like other posters in this thread have said, we decided that our actions could have a lasting impact on the reputation of the industry. If we sold them to people under 18, we gave opposition the "they're selling them to kids!" argument, gift wrapped.
Personally, I've always been of the opinion that people who don't already smoke, socially, casually, or habitually, shouldn't get an ecig. At least when I was selling them, I would discourage people who just wanted a kit because they thought it was "cool" from the idea. In my mind, it's better than smoking a cigarette, but it's not better than inhaling only daily air. If you don't already have a habit, why start one? Even at 0mg, what's the point? It's all relative. If you don't already smoke/vape anything, picking up a vaping habit is a step down.
As far as minors are concerned, I disagree with ecig vendors selling ecigs to kids. I realize that kids who are interesting in smoking are going to smoke, and I see the validity of the argument that ecigs would at least be better. However, that doesn't mean we have to make getting ecigs any easier. Minors are at least hindered somewhat from smoking analogs by the fact that they can't buy them themselves. For some minors, trying one or two sticks are as far as they ever go; partially, because it's harder to get a hold of packs at a time. They taste bad., That is also discouraging. They also smell bad, which is a way for parents to note if their kid has started smoking. I think the allowing ecigs to be sold to minors, legal ammo aside, would be making easier for more kids to develop a smoking or vaping habit that they may not otherwise have. However, if I were a parent ans realized my kid was smoking, we'd have a conversation that could potentially end with me buying them a kit. If you're going to stick with smoking, vaping is a better option; however, it's not better than nothing at all. Like I said, to me, it's all relative.
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Don't make it legal to sell to minors for ethical/legal/protecting vaping reasons. Parents can choose to buy them for their kid, if the situation permits. Vaping is better than smoking, but vaping isn't better than just breathing air.
I worked in a shop that sold ecigs around the beginning of the ecig surge. We just decided we weren't selling them to anyone under 18. From a legal perspective, this made sense for the store - ecigs belonged in some sort of legal grey area, and we weren't gonna push the limits. We also make that decision from a personal standpoint. Ecigs helped out my health, my wallet, and my life. They did the same for my boss. Neither of us were ready or willing to quit smoking, much less nicotine, but we both found ourselves switching smoothly and easily to the better option - ecigs. Like other posters in this thread have said, we decided that our actions could have a lasting impact on the reputation of the industry. If we sold them to people under 18, we gave opposition the "they're selling them to kids!" argument, gift wrapped.
Personally, I've always been of the opinion that people who don't already smoke, socially, casually, or habitually, shouldn't get an ecig. At least when I was selling them, I would discourage people who just wanted a kit because they thought it was "cool" from the idea. In my mind, it's better than smoking a cigarette, but it's not better than inhaling only daily air. If you don't already have a habit, why start one? Even at 0mg, what's the point? It's all relative. If you don't already smoke/vape anything, picking up a vaping habit is a step down.
As far as minors are concerned, I disagree with ecig vendors selling ecigs to kids. I realize that kids who are interesting in smoking are going to smoke, and I see the validity of the argument that ecigs would at least be better. However, that doesn't mean we have to make getting ecigs any easier. Minors are at least hindered somewhat from smoking analogs by the fact that they can't buy them themselves. For some minors, trying one or two sticks are as far as they ever go; partially, because it's harder to get a hold of packs at a time. They taste bad., That is also discouraging. They also smell bad, which is a way for parents to note if their kid has started smoking. I think the allowing ecigs to be sold to minors, legal ammo aside, would be making easier for more kids to develop a smoking or vaping habit that they may not otherwise have. However, if I were a parent ans realized my kid was smoking, we'd have a conversation that could potentially end with me buying them a kit. If you're going to stick with smoking, vaping is a better option; however, it's not better than nothing at all. Like I said, to me, it's all relative.
TL;DR
Don't make it legal to sell to minors for ethical/legal/protecting vaping reasons. Parents can choose to buy them for their kid, if the situation permits. Vaping is better than smoking, but vaping isn't better than just breathing air.
Would it be okay if kids could come with their parents and sell em? I remember reading a forum post about this boy who came in with his mom to buy a mech mod, and of course the owner declined but others said you should have sold it to him.
What, little Johnny tells his mother what he will do and tells her what mod and juice he demands she buy for him?
Well Im not sure what the story was. It was a kid who went in with his mother asking to buy the best mech mod they have, kid does all the talking. Owner kicks them out and the mother leaves with a scream.
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You just opened a huge can of worms OP...I opened the same can with a minor doing a review on a box mod that I found on youtube. I do not support minors vaping, smoking etc. Anything that the FDA can use to add more fuel to the fire already they will and bringing up children is a good way to do it. As you can tell most people go both ways for this. Just because some people smoked underage does not make it acceptable for present teens to do it. I started smoking cigarettes at 18. If my mom or dad would have caught me smoking underage I would have got a beating not a whooping. I would have not been able to sit down for a week. My parents are old school.
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Redneck vapor just did an excellent video about this. I think he said it all
Ok you made me curious so I found it and watched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMA3asPimc
Here's my thing - I understand that many would not want their kids vaping, and that's cool.
I would feel better about age restrictions though if we had a legitimate reason for it. But any good reason I come up with falls apart in the logic ...
Nicotine addiction? No worse than caffeine, which kids can buy.
Battery danger? No worse than any number of other powered devices kids can buy.
Honestly, I can't even think of any other reason.
This doesn't mean I want to promote kids' right to vape. I don't. As long as I keep my right to vape, I will buy it for my kids if they want it, no biggie.
But I think vapers calling for age restrictions is helping to cement the idea that there's something unhealthy about vaping, and I don't believe that's the case. And then once we've conceded that there MUST be something unhealthy about it (otherwise why are we screaming for age restrictions?) all of the other gov't restrictions and taxes or outright bans will follow.
Ok, there's my rant.
PS. I 100% agree with his rant at the end about blowing clouds at people - that's just rude and stupid!
Can you provide a study showing what inhalation of PG, VG and food flavorings does to the lungs of teens? Vaping is safer than smoking; it isn't safe. Once one is of adult legal age, they are theoretically mature enough to make the choice...
Vapers calling for age restrictions live in reality, not a fantasy world where there will never be regulations...
Vapers calling for age restrictions live in reality, not a fantasy world where there will never be regulations...
Excellent post, bravo.
Nicotine does not "cause bad things" -- it's in a great many foods that are commonly eaten, and it's quite valuable for certain ailments. The only time it will "cause bad things" is if you consume it in massive quantities -- THE DOSE MAKES THE POISON. That's VERY old news.
The only "gateway effect" exhibited by e-cigs is the gateway OUT OF SMOKING. Any other "gateway effect" is pure hogwash, made-up make believe by those who cannot find any bad things to say about e-cigs, so they make them up -- kids are vaping in greater and greater numbers -- and oh lookie, teen smoking is dropping!
You folks making FALSE statements about this stuff really need to get your facts straight.
I think it's utterly stupid to forbid minors from accessing something that might actually PREVENT them from becoming smokers. The only reason this is an issue is 1) BT doesn't like the thought of pre-empting smokers before they even start, and 2) the bleeding hearts who feel it's their duty to protect everyone else's kids, even from make-believe dangers.
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