Minty e-cig contains carcinogen called pulegone?

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You wan t that from a VICE article? They were unacceptably vague even on the basic stuff.

Yeah... And Isn't that a Fundamental Problem when Most Media Outlets want to do an Article that Involves a Science Study.

They want to present, Basically, a piece of OP-Ed and have people perceive it as "Hard Science".
 
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Gotcha...

But besides the obvious Numerical comparison, I was wondering things like...

How Many e-liquids were Examined?
What were Mean/Median/Mode values observed?
What were the Testing Protocols?
Units?
Units per Volume?
Units per Inhalation?
Units of Absorption?
Published OSHA/NIH/etc guidelines for Long Term Effects?
Published OSHA/NIH/etc guidelines for Inhalation Toxicity?

Things like that?

You obviously don't understand how modern science works. To answer each of those questions will require at least one additional study per question that they need funding for. If they answered all the questions upfront, how could they justify additional funding and studies?
 
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Gotcha...

But besides the obvious Numerical comparison, I was wondering things like...

How Many e-liquids were Examined?
What were Mean/Median/Mode values observed?
What were the Testing Protocols?
Units?
Units per Volume?
Units per Inhalation?
Units of Absorption?
Published OSHA/NIH/etc guidelines for Long Term Effects?
Published OSHA/NIH/etc guidelines for Inhalation Toxicity?

Things like that?
Text of the actual study is not free:

Risk Analysis for Pulegone in Mint- and Menthol-Flavored e-Cigarettes and Smokeless Tobacco Products

So we only get what tidbits and quotes the authors have released in their press releases and/or interviews with the press.

The fact that they promote how pulegone is a carcinogen and is now banned by the FDA as a food additive while true, strikes me as irresponsible science at best. It has been banned essentially on a technicality based on the Delaney clause of 1965 which allows for ZERO risk: that is, any study which shows carcinogen effects, regardless of exposure levels, means an additive must be banned. The study used to petition the FDA to ban pulegone used very high levels of pulegone --- toxic levels high enough to kill many of the study rats.
 

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You obviously don't understand how modern science works. To answer each of those questions will require at least one additional study per question that they need funding for. If they answered all the questions upfront, how could they justify additional funding and studies?

I see what you mean.

And I guess if a Media Outlet did provide Meaningful Information backed by Published Peer-Reviewed Studies, it would be Harder for them to Justify Hyperbolic article titles.

Which is the Name of the Game when Advertising Metrics are based on Click Counts. Or when a Media Outlet is trying to Push Agenda down viewers throats
 
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Text of the actual study is not free:

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Thank you for the Link. But I'll pass on paying for what was actually Studied.

And instead, I will place my Trust that a Media Outlet will give me a Fair, Honest, and Unbiased account to how using an e-Cigarette may or may not effect my Health.
 

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I see what you mean.

And I guess if a Media Outlet did provide Meaningful Information backed by Published Peer-Reviewed Studies, it would be Harder for them to Justify Hyperbolic article titles.

Which is the Name of the Game when Advertising Metrics are based on Click Counts. Or when a Media Outlet is trying to Push Agenda down viewers throats
Why is this on my screen in green?
 

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Gotcha...

But besides the obvious Numerical comparison, I was wondering things like...

How Many e-Liquids were Examined?
What were Mean/Median/Mode values observed?
What were the Testing Protocols?
Units?
Units per Volume?
Units per Inhalation?
Units of Absorption?
Published OSHA/NIH/etc guidelines for Long Term Effects?
Published OSHA/NIH/etc guidelines for Inhalation Toxicity?

Things like that?
I posted in another, similar thread that I'd like to see the cancer scores of other items we consume on a routine basis. What would the number be for a spoonful of saccharin? a grilled cheese sandwich? Pine pollen in the spring? Spraying Roundup into the wind without eye protection?

Why do I have a feeling I probably don't want to know the cancer scores of all those things?
 

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I posted in another, similar thread that I'd like to see the cancer scores of other items we consume on a routine basis. What would the number be for a spoonful of saccharin? a grilled cheese sandwich? Pine pollen in the spring? Spraying Roundup into the wind without eye protection?

Why do I have a feeling I probably don't want to know the cancer scores of all those things?

You forgot Johnson's Baby Powder.
 

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I posted in another, similar thread that I'd like to see the cancer scores of other items we consume on a routine basis. What would the number be for a spoonful of saccharin? a grilled cheese sandwich? Pine pollen in the spring? Spraying Roundup into the wind without eye protection?

Why do I have a feeling I probably don't want to know the cancer scores of all those things?

Pine pollen would be interesting.
I used to eat that stuff by the spoonful.
 

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As per usual it seems the problem isn’t actually science, it’s science warped by marketing an dthe unscrupulous.

According to the wiki there were multiple tests on the material. The first one labeled it GRAS. The second one didn’t, but used far higher doses over a shorter period and it was pointed out that the amounts used were so high they could cause problems simply by volume alone. Science done too quick and too cheap used by people with a dog in the fight.
 
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I posted in another, similar thread that I'd like to see the cancer scores of other items we consume on a routine basis. What would the number be for a spoonful of saccharin? a grilled cheese sandwich? Pine pollen in the spring? Spraying Roundup into the wind without eye protection?
A charcoal-grilled steak?
 
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