Mix turns harsh after steeping?

[Vaptor]

I did three 50ml mixes using TPA flavors, all only 1 drop of flavor per 1ml of nic mix. Bavarian cream, Banana Nutbread and Cinnamon Danish. All three were great after a week. But after a month the Bavarian cream and Banana Nutbread turned out to be really harsh vape and makes my mouth feel like I didn't clean my teeth. The Cinnamon Danish is just fine. I know too much flavoring can be harsh but I only used little so what could have happened?
This somewhat upsets me because I enjoyed those flavors.

 

[Hoosier]

Banana is notorious for strengthening during steeping.

To me it reads like you have the Cinnamon Danish perfected for large batches, but the other two...maybe best to stick to small batches until you can compensate for the steep effect?

 

[BMWRTMike]

I would suggest using a calculator for batches that size. Using drops for that big of a bottle leaves a lot of room for error.
I find that to me TFA Bavarian Cream is harsh by it's self. I prefer to use it in a mix to round out and compliment a blend. The TFA banana nut bread is eluding me, I have not found it to my liking. The Cinnamon Danish is a winner. Not much to say about that one, as you know it is good. I also use a different cinnamon to add more cinnamon flavor and add depth to the Cinnamon Danish.

 

[crxess]

Flavors have nothing to cut the edge. Read up on Ethyl Maltol - Lemon - Sweeteners

 

[Vaptor]

Yes it seems that lemon or vinegar is added to balance PH levels. I'll have to experiment with that. In the mean time my so far good Cinnamon Danish is becoming harsh too now. I considered it could be my taste buds but I'm not getting it with my regular juices (that I don't mix).
I added little tobacco in those three mixes, I'm just thinking if it could somehow reacted with the TPA flavors. never had a problem with it on it's own just mixed as a tobacco vape.

 

[DeeDee1234]

Yes it seems that lemon or vinegar is added to balance PH levels. I'll have to experiment with that. In the mean time my so far good Cinnamon Danish is becoming harsh too now. I considered it could be my taste buds but I'm not getting it with my regular juices (that I don't mix).
I added little tobacco in those three mixes, I'm just thinking if it could somehow reacted with the TPA flavors. never had a problem with it on it's own just mixed as a tobacco vape.

Maybe one of the tabacco mixer could step in and talk about tabacco. I believe they mix tfa flavors with tabacco's. It may have something to do with % or steeping but I will defer to someone with experience in Mixing with tabacco. Tabacco seems to be a releam of it own.

I have worked with the Cinnamon Danish and it works will with fruits and Vannilla added. I have not mixed tabacco's.


Good Luck

D

 

[psycheval]

What tobacco flavor did you use? Did anything change in the other ingredients, brand or retailer?

 

[Blackbeard]

I would firstly recommend you not use drops for anything other than when you just need a drop or two and only when you're adding to larger batches. Say like 10ml or larger.

Bavarian Cream is a nasty flavor. Although it sounds great, I've never been able to use more than 1 or 2 percent in anything.

I'd suggest you also not try and improve a juice with additional flavorings unless it's mixed pretty close to what you're shooting for. As a true novice, I found myself adding a drop or two of a flavor to a 6ml or 10ml batch only to find it's worse than before. I feel it's better to use percentages for flavors. If your starting percentages is just completely wrong, put the batch aside and start over. Don't throw it out just yet. Bracket your flavor percentages. If it tastes weak, try doubling the percentage or something reasonable. If that's too strong, shoot for the middle. A lot of times, what I thought was weak was actually too much of a flavor and that can kill a juice real fast. You have to remember when you add flavorings, you're changing all the percentages of all the components. You're lowering your NIC levels, changing the PG/VG ratio, and also diluting whatever the other flavors you have in the mix.

 

[psycheval]

First thought I had looking at those flavors was they won't go good with tobacco flavors. That's just me now. They probably will but you would have to search for the right one. Mtype in those to me would not work. Should taste like a proverbial lick on a horses backside. I use lots of Mtype. Dark Vapure FA might work with one of those. It would take serious sampling seems to me for those to go with tobacco. I mix nothing that doesn't at least have some form of TA in it by the way. I put tobacco in everything. Cinnamon and tobacco both will overload you with flavor if you get too high %. If theres tobacco steep it in some form or fashion. What it taste like even the day after blending is nothing compared to the taste in 2 weeks +.

 

[Vaptor]

First thought I had looking at those flavors was they won't go good with tobacco flavors. That's just me now. They probably will but you would have to search for the right one. Mtype in those to me would not work.

You know you're probably right come to think of it. I think the tobacco chemically reacted with the flavors I used after a month. I have also noticed that all the mixes that are so harsh/burning taste have all turned pink color. Couple of other mixes I did did not turn pink and those are fine to vape. There I used only Ethyl Maltol and Caramel. No fruits or bakery.
I had no idea that I can mix tobacco with certain flavors only. That's a bummer.

 

[psycheval]

I had no idea that I can mix tobacco with certain flavors only. That's a bummer.

You can mix tobacco with about anything it's just which one go's with which flavors.