Mixing by Weight - Are You ??

[rowdyplace]

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[horton]

Yes U can print 1, 2 or as many labels U want. Each "slot" can be customized for a different mix. Then save the sheet for next time.

Thanks for the clarification... I appreciate it.

 

[mxrdrver]

Glad I could help


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[hazarada]

Only when mixing large batches since its faster to weigh stuff then to suck them into a syringe or a measuring cup. for anything <30ml though i find syringes are quicker.

 

[devilchasnme]

Getting a sub forum for mixing by weight would be awesome. However I've noticed resistance from other members regarding the mixing by weight thing. Typical of people who are set in their ways and refuse to embrace new and easier ways of doing things. That's fine. As time goes on, younger and open minded vapers will see the benefits of mixing by weight.

They wouldn't have to participate.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

To the one who bought the ebay scale --- don't forget you need a 500 gram calibration weight, it can be calibrated I hope..

 

[FaceHole]

You could use 100 U.S. nickles in a pinch.... 5 bucks at any bank. Just throwing it out there. Ive done weirder things

 

[zoiDman]

You could use 100 U.S. nickles in a pinch.... 5 bucks at any bank. Just throwing it out there. Ive done weirder things

Or 500 One Hundred Dollar Bills. But that would be kinda Expensive.

And if you have a Stack of 500 One Hundred Dollar Bills laying are, then you can Probably afford a Dollar-Two-Ninety-Eight 500g Standard.

LOL

 

[rowdyplace]

Those "calibration" tools were OK at the ".1g" quality scale. Now, the lint on the bag of nickles and or the dirt and finger oils on the individual circulated coins is enough to affect the scales by about ".01g" or more. Some scales have breath shields. (You can almost change the reading by shining a flashlight on the tray...) LOL.

Mine cost nearly $20 via eBay and my son, the chemist, brought home a set of calibrations weights. It was "right-on"!

Today's units are accurate enough for our work.

 

[zoiDman]

Those "calibration" tools were OK at the ".1g" quality scale. Now, the lint on the bag of nickles and or the dirt and finger oils on the individual circulated coins is enough to affect the scales by about ".01g" or more. Some scales have breath shields. (You can almost change the reading by shining a flashlight on the tray...) LOL.

Mine cost nearly $20 via eBay and my son, the chemist, brought home a set of calibrations weights. It was "right-on"!

Today's units are accurate enough for our work.

Just curious...

What is the Difference if a scale Doesn't measure Exactly 500g when you put a 500g Standard on it?

As long as it Measures the Same Value. ie: It measures a Repeatable Value.

 

[rowdyplace]

Just curious...

What is the Difference if a scale Doesn't measure Exactly 500g when you put a 500g Standard on it?

As long as it Measures the Same Value. ie: It measures a Repeatable Value.

Good point.

If it is 5g off at 500, that is still a 1% accuracy - which is acceptable as well as always repeatable. Drops and syringe squirts vary more than that...I think. Your mix would always be "off" but not as much as the "dripper mixer's".

How much juice does stay (stuck to the side) in the syringe, pipette, or cylinder?

 

[zoiDman]

Good point.

If it is 5g off at 500, that is still a 1% accuracy - which is acceptable as well as always repeatable. Drops and syringe squirts vary more than that...I think. Your mix would always be "off" but not as much as the "dripper mixer's".

How much juice does stay (stuck to the side) in the syringe, pipette, or cylinder?

I think what people get Hung Up with is Trying to Achieve Numerical Accuracy to ever Smaller and Smaller Scales.

And lose sight of If a Measuring Technic (Any Measuring Technic) is Repeatable then Numerical Accuracy Isn't all that Important.

 

[ZeroOhms]

I think what people get Hung Up with is Trying to Achieve Numerical Accuracy to ever Smaller and Smaller Scales.

And lose sight of If a Measuring Technic (Any Measuring Technic) is Repeatable then Numerical Accuracy Isn't all that Important.

otherwise, our kitchen would have been filled with most sophisticated measuring devices. i don't see how juice mixing is any different from cooking. we don't use +/- 0.001g accuracy in ingredients we used to cook food.
accurate measuring devices aren't fast track to by pass the necessary hands-on experience time needed to get better.
for beginner, start with whatever method is convent (g, ml, drop). it should be about learning to mix instead to trying to build a perfect system from the start.

i love mixing by the weight but use them mainly for sample (5ml) mixing and adding juice on top of premix base for regular batch (30ml). for regular batch, i use pipette for premix base. usage of larger batch premix base increased the accuracy (and convenience) tremendously for me. i make 100ml premix batch of my standard base ratio (PG70, VG30, 6mg Nic) - 15% PG(for juice). when i am mixing, i add necessary juice % and add missing PG. ex. if a particular mix requires 8% juice, i add 8% juice + 7% PG to the premix base. i use weight scale for this and it became really fast and accurate process. btw, a simple technique i use for using weight system. know your mg/drop. this helps to zero in on the last few mg much faster and reduce chance of running over due to scale responding slow.

lastly, while i really like seeing new techniques discovered, we should avoid having any "camp". with FDA crashing the party, we can expect to see a surge in juice mix community. our priority should be to encourage and help whatever method that new people can use to get started. we have to stick together. i, for one, can't thank enough to folks here on ECF juice forum. if it wasn't for this forum, i would have been vaping on overly taxed juice with limited choices in the near future.

 

[zoiDman]

otherwise, our kitchen would have been filled with most sophisticated measuring devices. i don't see how juice mixing is any different from cooking. we don't use +/- 0.001g accuracy in ingredients we used to cook food.
accurate measuring devices aren't fast track to by pass the necessary hands-on experience time needed to get better.
for beginner, start with whatever method is convent (g, ml, drop). it should be about learning to mix instead to trying to build a perfect system from the start.

i love mixing by the weight but use them mainly for sample (5ml) mixing and adding juice on top of premix base for regular batch (30ml). for regular batch, i use pipette for premix base. usage of larger batch premix base increased the accuracy (and convenience) tremendously for me. i make 100ml premix batch of my standard base ratio (PG70, VG30, 6mg Nic) - 15% PG(for juice). when i am mixing, i add necessary juice % and add missing PG. ex. if a particular mix requires 8% juice, i add 8% juice + 7% PG to the premix base. i use weight scale for this and it became really fast and accurate process. btw, a simple technique i use for using weight system. know your mg/drop. this helps to zero in on the last few mg much faster and reduce chance of running over due to scale responding slow.

lastly, while i really like seeing new techniques discovered, we should avoid having any "camp". with FDA crashing the party, we can expect to see a surge in juice mix community. our priority should be to encourage and help whatever method that new people can use to get started. we have to stick together. i, for one, can't thank enough to folks here on ECF juice forum. if it wasn't for this forum, i would have been vaping on overly taxed juice with limited choices in the near future.

Don't get me wrong, the pursuit of Higher and Higher Accuracy and Precision is in and of itself a Good Pursuit. As long as it is Relative to what you are doing.

If a person wants to Measure down onto the +/- .001g scale, Right On. But is it Necessary? When the Threshold of Not Being Able to "Taste" the difference is reached, is there a Need to Measure in Small Increments?

And since Taste to Me trumps Numerical Values of Weights or Percentages, it Really Doesn't Matter to Me if my measuring equipment is Accurate or Not.

As long as it is Precise and Repeatable, that is All that Matters.

BTW - Have you seen one of these?

LOL

 

[ZeroOhms]

Don't get me wrong, the pursuit of Higher and Higher Accuracy and Precision is in and of itself a Good Pursuit. As long as it is Relative to what you are doing.

If a person wants to Measure down onto the +/- .001g scale, Right On. But is it Necessary? When the Threshold of Not Being Able to "Taste" the difference is reached, is there a Need to Measure in Small Increments?

And since Taste to Me trumps Numerical Values of Weights or Percentages, it Really Doesn't Matter to Me if my measuring equipment is Accurate or Not.

As long as it is Precise and Repeatable, that is All that Matters.

BTW - Have you seen one of these?


LOL

^^ Exactly!

 

[horton]

Don't get me wrong, the pursuit of Higher and Higher Accuracy and Precision is in and of itself a Good Pursuit. As long as it is Relative to what you are doing.

If a person wants to Measure down onto the +/- .001g scale, Right On. But is it Necessary? When the Threshold of Not Being Able to "Taste" the difference is reached, is there a Need to Measure in Small Increments?

And since Taste to Me trumps Numerical Values of Weights or Percentages, it Really Doesn't Matter to Me if my measuring equipment is Accurate or Not.

As long as it is Precise and Repeatable, that is All that Matters.

BTW - Have you seen one of these?

LOL

I want one!!! Where and how much?.... maybe how much first?....lol
You hit the nail on the head about mixing accuracy. Seems we have a crop of quantitative chemists trying to get down the .001 g or ml accuracy. I figure if I repeat the same errors every time I do something, then I'm doing it accurately (to me) every time, and who else am I trying to impress or please?

 

[rowdyplace]

Using my natural born creative talent, I mixed two different recipes - 10ml each. Did all the steeping, shaking, and chanting over each mix - and they both were terrible. Days later, they were still terrible. As I went to pour them out, I got greedy (20ml is just too much to waste...). Instead I poured them together. Next day, I sampled this "mess" and was shocked to find it pretty darn good. I now have a vanilla flavored tobacco or a tobacco flavored vanilla...

My point... given the choice of a balance that is accurate to the .001g, or dumb luck...I'll take the luck...

 

[horton]

Using my natural born creative talent, I mixed two different recipes - 10ml each. Did all the steeping, shaking, and chanting over each mix - and they both were terrible. Days later, they were still terrible. As I went to pour them out, I got greedy (20ml is just too much to waste...). Instead I poured them together. Next day, I sampled this "mess" and was shocked to find it pretty darn good. I now have a vanilla flavored tobacco or a tobacco flavored vanilla...

My point... given the choice of a balance that is accurate to the .001g, or dumb luck...I'll take the luck...

I know some really important and critical discoveries were made by accident or fiddling around -- just can't remember any specifics right now. But I'm sure you are in good company with your new discovery!! I got a kick out of what you said because I hate to throw anything away and have mixed a few of my messes together, but never had your success......

 

[Dontknow]

Using my natural born creative talent, I mixed two different recipes - 10ml each. Did all the steeping, shaking, and chanting over each mix - and they both were terrible. Days later, they were still terrible. As I went to pour them out, I got greedy (20ml is just too much to waste...). Instead I poured them together. Next day, I sampled this "mess" and was shocked to find it pretty darn good. I now have a vanilla flavored tobacco or a tobacco flavored vanilla...

My point... given the choice of a balance that is accurate to the .001g, or dumb luck...I'll take the luck...

Lol. I'm with you on this. I also mix my juices with 100% good intentions, and have also created some dreadful concoctions. Again like you I've thrown these poor mixes together to "try". After which I've generally chucked them out! So wasn't so lucky with the "last ditch attempt" to try and avoid wasting the nic...

I've tried the very accurate graduated measuring syringe method - many times. But stand as much chance of success with this method as I do in pouring the ingredients into a graduated measuring cylinder - which has to be a bit less accurate.

The real puzzle for me remains. What percentage of the finished product should be the flavouring?
Wonder if that's why some of my formulae are so dreadful? Hmmm...


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[Passunca]

I mix by weight mainly for 2 reasons:

Speed and No Cleaning!