More doctor's....more education...

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shelzmike

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So, I have been reading a lot on the e-cig controversy over the past few months and the amount of ignorance and mis-information is saddening. I am new to the whole scene so to speak so this may have been said already; however, this war is only going to be won on 2 fronts - numbers, of course, and the amount of proponents on the government's argument side. What I meant is that their argument is solely based on "health" concerns so the logical thing would be to really focus on getting doctors, professors, and any other people who are involved in health in anyway. I mean the government's argument falters unequivocally and quickly if they are playing the "health" card and the "health" card essentially says, "no, actually this is OK". That being said I think that it is of vital importance that we make an effort to talk to our own doctors - not only about how it has helped us, but go further and do what it takes to encourage them to look into it more for themselves and to become involved. I plan on doing it. The city where I live is actually home to a huge conglomerate of medical organizations and they are investing tons of money on building up a huge biomedical research facility in the area. While I am humbled as just one guy, I am going to try to find any sort of open meetings to be involved with and speak to groups of doctors whose hearts and interests rest with research...THESE are the types that are going to help the most.

Sure, having millions of vapers with awesome quit stories is beneficial, but until we get some doctors and health pros on board, this cause will never have the legitimacy that it so deserves because to opponents it looks just like a bunch of people who are supporting something they want to do...of course we do :)

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No mystery there ...

There's still too many doctors following the siren songs of BP.

And BP'ds budget for swaying physicians to put their product's name on the prescription form is gigantic.

Pluse side benefits for the docs ... Invitations to so-called medical congresses ( on cruise ships, no less ) , so-called clinical studies ( where the doc gets a cash 'refund' for his troubles ), and , and, and. BP is very creative when it comes to pushing their wares.

No commission on e-cigs...

And I am sure the pharma reps let the docs know which side the bread is buttered on...
 

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I had a heart to heart with my doctor about vaping vs smoking analogs..........

for some doctors it's a very short conversation....... smoking is bad, don't do it....... vaping is bad, don't do it........

my doctor says......... "if the choices are smoking or vaping..... choose vaping, hands down"

but then, nothing in this world is harmless, is it?

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Doctors appear to have been on our side for a long time now...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tor-approve-your-vaping.html?highlight=doctor

What gets me is why they remain silent.

The reason is simple -- this is NOT about human health. This about profit and GREED. And being driven by lobbying, "public relations", and "media" firms out of Washington DC/NY funded by deep pockets from two large and profitable corporate sectors -- big pharma and big tobacco.

Anyone thinking these issues popping up randomly around the country is being terribly naive -- this IS about MONEY. YOUR health is being sold for corporate profit. Make no mistake.

And in this country, at this time, money speaks louder than words, facts and truth. EVERYONE needs to make their voices heard loudly, often, and everywhere. And in particular we need to insure our elected politicians cannot safely choose to ignore us and take the cash for their errr.. campaign and leadership PACs.
 
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The reason is simple -- this is NOT about human health. This about profit and GREED. And being driven by lobbying, "public relations", and "media" firms out of Washington DC/NY funded by deep pockets from two large and profitable corporate sectors -- big pharma and big tobacco.

Anyone thinking these issues popping up randomly around the country is being terribly naive -- this IS about MONEY. YOUR health is being sold for corporate profit. Make no mistake.

And in this country, at this time, money speaks louder than words, facts and truth. EVERYONE needs to make their voices heard loudly, often, and everywhere. And in particular we need to insure our elected politicians cannot safely choose to ignore us and take the cash for their errr.. campaign and leadership PACs.

Fantastic! I completely agree here and this goes beyond vaping though that is the current matter at hand. The thing that gets me is that there are so many people in this country who are "staying out of it" or have stupid and ignorant opinions without thinking for themselves and actually doing research. America (and other countries as well) have increasingly become a socially lazy society where the large majority of ppl leave their decisions on opinion up to the media and government agencies. It is like when people pick a greeting card for someones birthday, they pick it up and say "Yep, that sounds like something I would say". Don't these people understand the implications here goes FAR beyond the matter at hand. The one most important thing I have taught my kids is that they need to vote, get involved for what is right, and most importantly MAKE THEIR OWN MINDS up based on actually seeking answers and truth.

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Fantastic! I completely agree here and this goes beyond vaping though that is the current matter at hand. The thing that gets me is that there are so many people in this country who are "staying out of it" or have stupid and ignorant opinions without thinking for themselves and actually doing research. America (and other countries as well) have increasingly become a socially lazy society where the large majority of ppl leave their decisions on opinion up to the media and government agencies. It is like when people pick a greeting card for someones birthday, they pick it up and say "Yep, that sounds like something I would say". Don't these people understand the implications here goes FAR beyond the matter at hand. The one most important thing I have taught my kids is that they need to vote, get involved for what is right, and most importantly MAKE THEIR OWN MINDS up based on actually seeking answers and truth.

Yes, excellent.

People need to realize this is no conspiracy theory, conjecture, or whining -- it is fact. And here is only the lasted scientific evidence documenting this truth;

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14
 
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Speaking to my doctor about this, he said that he cant recommend something that is not FDA approved :unsure:. He sees the improvement in health in smokers who have turned to vaping, however he can not legally promote the use of ecigs. Off the record, he is all for it and encourages it vs smoking, if the discussion is brought up by the patient. Otherwise.............not a word is uttered from his mouf!
 
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