Mouth Inhale Dangerous?

[Jhump]

My question for some of the more experienced vapors is the study done about formaldehyde claimed at 5volts high levels were indicated, however many youtubers have debunked this claiming no one could vape at that wattage/voltage without it tasting bad or hurting (dry hit). See now I use mine on 15 watts (6volts) and it doesnt hurt at all and it tastes great, but I think this is because i mouth hit. I guess mouth hitting is unusual (?) In the vaping commmunity. I have tried direct inhale to lungs but its not for me. Ive smoked ,mouth hitting, cigarettes for 15 years and dont think I can change. I did try lung inhale to see of it was different than mouth hit on 15 watts/6volts and boy was it, it was awful and too harsh. So my question is since I mouth hit (mouth hitting isnt effective at lower voltage; only when you get to 5volts or higher ) am I subject to high levels of formaldehyde? There is no burnt taste or anything like there was when I lung inhaled at the same wattage but it still begs the question. I know it has to do with cumbustion gases but thats about as far as my formaldehyde knowlegde goes lol. Anyone that has any input or usful knowledge please share your input. Thank you.

 

[Robino1]

Interesting read by Dr Farsalinos

Verified: formaldehyde levels found in the NEJM study were associated with dry puff conditions. An update

As long as you keep your coil and wick wet, you shouldn't have to worry.

 

[Jhump]

Thanks robino, I have read this, but still it doesnt talk about the difference in how the ecig is used (hit, inhaled) at the voltage wattage settings. The unfortunate part about this is, I would love to see actual testing done BUT the fact is Big Tabacco and politics will taint most studies and we wouldnt be able to tell which are truthful and which are mis information propoganda. Any other fellow vapers mouth hit? And if so what wattage/voltage/ and size ohm coil do you use?. I use 2.5 ohm resistance coils on a bc tubetank , and running around 12 to 15 watts (5 to 6ish volts) on an istick (eleaf battery)

 

[gotpardon]

2 ohm @ 5v = 12.5 watt
1 ohm @ 5v = 25 watt
0.5 ohm @ 5v = 50 watt
0.2 ohm @ 5v = 125 watt
0.1 ohm @ 5v = 250 watt

Combination of volt and ohm determines wattage

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[renacer]

A mouth hit that's burnt is still going to get you a mouthful of ewww. It's not like you could be oblivious to burnt hits cause you only do mouth.

 

[Jhump]

Renacer, that wasnt what I was meaning or asking. I know I could still taste a burnt hit, but is a burnt hit the only way that high levels of formaldehyde is present? From what you stated ur suggesting that formaldehyde is only present with a burnt hit? So no burn = no formaldehyde, or is it that formaldehyde is released when using that high of voltage with or without the burnt? What I meant when talking abiut mouth hit is that I do it at 15 watts, but if I lung hit I can only endure it at around 7 watts. This leads me to think mouth hitting could be bad for me since I only get enjoyment out of it at around 12 to 15 watts. Hence the title. I see what you thought I meant after re-reading.

 

[four2109]

"(mouth hitting isnt effective at lower voltage; only when you get to 5volts or higher ) "

Really?
This is a case of Don't Believe Everything You Read On The Internet!

 

[Jhump]

See im using 2.5 ohm at 5 to 6 volts. Which by that study would suggest I am subject to high levels of formaldehyde than. See if I lung hit (which I hate) I can only handle it on low wattage, but if I mouth hit i use it at 5 to 6 volts. This is what confuses me on if im harming myself since I only want to hit my ecig the way I always have (mouth then to lungs)

 

[Jhump]

"(mouth hitting isnt effective at lower voltage; only when you get to 5volts or higher ) "

Really?
This is a case of Don't Believe Everything You Read On The Internet!

Lol read the post bud and you will see this is my personal suggestion of my own standards. I personally cant feel the hit when its lower than 12 watts. Or I guess its better to say its not satisfying for me. Once again mouth hitting. Lol I dont get why this is hard for some to understand what im asking.

 

[ignotus]

What atomizer are you using?

 

[InTheShade]

Lol read the post bud and you will see this is my personal suggestion of my own standards. I personally cant feel the hit when its lower than 12 watts. Or I guess its better to say its not satisfying for me. Once again mouth hitting. Lol I dont get why this is hard for some to understand what im asking.

Well if nobody is understanding, maybe you can rephrase the question. I have read your posts multiple times and I am still unsure exactly what you are looking for.

We're a helpful bunch here, we want to understand so we can discuss it...

Are you basically asking if vaping at 6 volts is subjecting you to the same levels of formaldehyde as those found in that study?

If you are, the answer is no - because no formaldehyde was actually found in that study.

http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2015/191-form-nejm

From the study linked above

For start, the authors did not find formaldehyde but formaldehyde hemiacetals. This is a combination of formaldehyde and alcohols (formaldehyde-propylene glycol or formaldehyde-glycerol).

The authors characterized them as formaldehyde-releasing agents, providing a reference to a study evaluating contact dermatitis from such agents. However, looking at the study referenced, it is clear that those formaldehyde-releasing agents have nothing to do with formaldehyde hemiacetals found in e-cigarette aerosol. Moreover, there is absolutely no evidence that hemiacetals are toxic or carcinogenic.

In fact, it is possible that the formation of hemiacetals might protect against damage induced by formaldehyde. Nevertheless, the authors considered the risk equal to formaldehyde and calculated the risk of cancer.

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[Jimi D.]

Here's the truth. The way I inhale. I'd be in a specimen bottle by now.

 

[Jimi D.]

Another thing I need to add. Fog machines run on 400 watts. Music acts, theme parks all use them. Might as well go after them too.

 

[Rsunderl]

Hope this helps. You said that you mouth hit and then take it into your lungs.

I worked with formaldehyde in a histopathology lab. Formaldehyde is a very strong irritant. the slightest whiff causes a burning sensation in the nose and throat.. I doubt you can mouth hit without getting at least a bit in your nose, and if so, you'd notice any formaldehyde right away. Same thing for when you take it from yout mouth into your lungs.

 

[Jhump]

What atomizer are you using?

Im using BC Tubtank (bought from volcano website) and use 2.5 ohm coil (which is recommended for my tank on their website). I use it with an istick eleaf battery. So calculated with my 2.5 ohm I am running at abiut 6.2 volts at 15 watts.

 

[Sirius]

Here's the truth. The way I inhale. I'd be in a specimen bottle by now.

Amen Jimmi bro..Oh I started off MTL tooting but I don't toot. Just couldn't get enough nicotine even at 18mg. I started lung inhales with 18mg nic and dam near passed out from nic overdose..... 6mg .. perfect tho.

 

[Sirius]

I'm afraid you have been fed misinformation OP..Here ya go..some facts here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-exactly-what-you-d-expect-not-much-else.html

 

[Jimi D.]

Amen Jimmi bro..Oh I started off MTL tooting but I don't toot. Just couldn't get enough nicotine even at 18mg. I started lung inhales with 18mg nic and dam near passed out from nic overdose..... 6mg .. perfect tho.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Me too brother ! I was so jealous of the massive cloud chasers, as I couldn't take 2 hits without sitting down I was so happy when I chatted with a Filipino fella. He told me to use 3-6 mg !

 

[Jhump]

Hope this helps. You said that you mouth hit and then take it into your lungs.

I worked with formaldehyde in a histopathology lab. Formaldehyde is a very strong irritant. the slightest whiff causes a burning sensation in the nose and throat.. I doubt you can mouth hit without getting at least a bit in your nose, and if so, you'd notice any formaldehyde right away. Same thing for when you take it from yout mouth into your lungs.

Thank you for the info, it at least calms my nerves a little. I think some are having a hard time understanding what I was attempting to ask because of "mouth hitting" term. I was trying to say that if I hit my ecig the way I have always smoked cigarettes (by drawing the smoke into my mouth and then inhaling it into my lungs) I have to use it at around 12 to 15 watts to be satisfied. Now by the study done that suggests I could be subject to high formaldehyde (although the study could also be bogus, however I tend not to shrug things off just because some youtubers made a video of themselves attempting to hit an ecig at 15 watts and have a coughing storm, and claiming no one would use an ecig at that high of wattage. Now I realized that they inhaled like they were smoking a {Moderated} tho (inhaling straight to lungs), which makes a big difference if you havent tried the 2 methods. If I inhale straight to lungs on 15 watts I can barely do it for 1 second and I cough up a lung. I have to put it all the way down to 7 watts to comfortably hit it that way (straight to lung). So my theory was that since I enjoy it better at 15 watts mouth hitting than maybe I should just go back to the patch so I domt cause myself more harm. In conclusion mouth hitting can be tolerated at way high wattage then inhaling straight to lungs.

 

[Sirius]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Me too brother ! I was so jealous of the massive cloud chasers, as I couldn't take 2 hits without sitting down I was so happy when I chatted with a Filipino fella. He told me to use 3-6 mg !

I got my very first 3mg with one of those USA made OHM Readers off of eBay just today them sneaky boogers
Guess nobody told them they couldn't do that on eBay..My good fortune I recon. I'll build a .2ohm or a bit lower dual twisted 26ga to celebrate my very first lung punch with 3mg.