Moving Forward

[autumnbreeze]

For the sake of transparency, I'd like to know what happened to Blaze being a mod, please. Thank you in advance for answering my questions.

I'd also like to say (and this is not directed toward any one mod in general) that having so much secrecy will not keep people happy. That's one of the reasons why a bunch of people left ECF a while back when everything changed. This subforum has done well with little moderation as Jules has said so many times.

 

[keyzygirl]

I never mentioned a name at all! Maybe somebody's feeling guilty? STOP taking personal jabs at me by name! You're doing what you falsely accused me of doing, just because you're a mod you think you have that privelege well you don't and won't ever with me! Yeah let the dust settle right up all of your orifices. LEAVE ME ALONE!

Maybe I should post that nasty, hateful pm you sent me before you made yourself a mod, or better yet I'll send it farther up ecf! You are nothing but a bully and a coward!

Vikki I hope you stay with PIF,we have had enough people feeling badly and leaving.It leaves the rest of us to wonder whos doing what to who.I would feel very badly if you werent here!Please stay

 

[tiburonfirst]

For the sake of transparency, I'd like to know what happened to Blaze being a mod, please. Thank you in advance for answering my questions.

I'd also like to say (and this is not directed toward any one mod in general) that having so much secrecy will not keep people happy. That's one of the reasons why a bunch of people left ECF a while back when everything changed. This subforum has done well with little moderation as Jules has said so many times.

not having anymore info on this than anybody else, still i was not surprised by the developements. i did not think it would conform with forum rules for a moderator to pass on the reigns to anybody without getting the main mods' approval.
blaze stepped up to ensure that pif could go on, for which we all should be grateful, but then did not get the uniform support from members needed to make it permanent. to me, some of the objections were valid. he has a long work week and a brandnew baby, and all this should come before pif.
my main concern was the survival of his review thread. he is doing a great job there and i was hoping that thread would not be affected. and yes, i could see the conflict of interest.
my main concern is that blaze does not feel slighted and will go on with his reviews, they are important and of great use to us.

 

[autumnbreeze]

not having anymore info on this than anybody else, still i was not surprised by the developements. i did not think it would conform with forum rules for a moderator to pass on the reigns to anybody without getting the main mods' approval.
blaze stepped up to ensure that pif could go on, for which we all should be grateful, but then did not get the uniform support from members needed to make it permanent. to me, some of the objections were valid. he has a long work week and a brandnew baby, and all this should come before pif.
my main concern was the survival of his review thread. he is doing a great job there and i was hoping that thread would not be affected. and yes, i could see the conflict of interest.
my main concern is that blaze does not feel slighted and will go on with his reviews, they are important and of great use to us.

I understand, but I was under the impression based on a few comments here that things went down behind his (Blaze) back. Considering the fact that we have several new mods, there's no reason why Blaze couldn't have been one of them, right? And now he said he's leaving, too?

I'm just trying to say that it appears there's a bunch of things going on that we don't know about and really should know about. I am all for moving on and going about business as usual, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about some things..........I really hope I'm wrong.

 

[tiburonfirst]

I'm just trying to say that it appears there's a bunch of things going on that we don't know about and really should know about. I am all for moving on and going about business as usual, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about some things..........I really hope I'm wrong.

imo, we cannot move on as long as we keep looking at what happened before, during, or right after the almost collapse of pif.
btw i came to that conclusion by way of caveman's pm, as much as i need, in my own life, to get to the bottom of happenings, here it will probably do more harm than good
let's give it a chance the way it stands

 

[keyzygirl]

I understand, but I was under the impression based on a few comments here that things went down behind his (Blaze) back. Considering the fact that we have several new mods, there's no reason why Blaze couldn't have been one of them, right? And now he said he's leaving, too?

I'm just trying to say that it appears there's a bunch of things going on that we don't know about and really should know about. I am all for moving on and going about business as usual, but I'm starting to get a bad feeling about some things..........I really hope I'm wrong.

I kinda agree here.Seems like alot of sneaky BS and thats not right.If you cant be honest and upfront about whats going on,then theres something wrong about it.None of the mods want to be honest and open about everything,that leads to distrust and thats not how it should be.Who even chose the mods?What is happening around here?wheres the trust and honesty?Seems kinda shady.Anyone care to comment?

 

[keyzygirl]

imo, we cannot move on as long as we keep looking at what happened before, during, or right after the almost collapse of pif.
btw i came to that conclusion by way of caveman's pm, as much as i need, in my own life, to get to the bottom of happenings, here it will probably do more harm than good
let's give it a chance the way it stands

Okay,so Ill let it go,but I wont like it.Ill just pretend its okay.

 

[tiburonfirst]

I kinda agree here.Seems like alot of sneaky BS and thats not right.If you cant be honest and upfront about whats going on,then theres something wrong about it.None of the mods want to be honest and open about everything,that leads to distrust and thats not how it should be.Who even chose the mods?What is happening around here?wheres the trust and honesty?Seems kinda shady.Anyone care to comment?

i'm going to play devil's advocate and then i will refrain from further comment. we need to move on!

how honest and open and subject to members' approval was blaze's appointment? ask yourselves that question,
furthermore lots of people were complaining at the time that gooddog and neph were overlooked.
so, now we have two wellknown members on the panel, and two who might be considered fresh blood, where is this bad?

 

[keyzygirl]

Your right and its over.We will move on and welcome our Mods and be happy that they are giving of themselves and the time it takes.Im sorry.I just need to let it go.

 

[autumnbreeze]

imo, we cannot move on as long as we keep looking at what happened before, during, or right after the almost collapse of pif.
btw i came to that conclusion by way of caveman's pm, as much as i need, in my own life, to get to the bottom of happenings, here it will probably do more harm than good
let's give it a chance the way it stands

You're right, Tiburon. For fear of an infraction, I'm going to let it go. I'll ask for the last time that the mods clear the air.

And I'm not complaining about the panel of people at all.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Ok I am going to interject a little helpful guidance that might help this whole thing blow over... as a long time ECF member not as an ECF Mod.

Please bear with me since sometimes I have trouble getting my point across in an articulate way.

First.. a Social Group moderator is there just to make sure the threads themselves are managed... not mediated... involvement in posting would be as a group member.. They also try to keep the group active meaning posting new threads of interest or starting of a topic of conversation.. Take some of the long time popular Groups as an example (1 The Womans Room w/Mary Kay)

Second.. the Social Group is structured in a way (even public Social Groups) that it is sectioned off for "Group Discussions" check the bottom of your page linked here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/groups/pay-forward.html

and forum threads where the general public can see as well .. and is used for publicity of the group...

Break Down

Social Group Forum: The meat of the Group.. every ECF sees pop up in the "Today's Post" " new posts" quick searches

Discussions: members have to take the time to go and look there for isolated topics (Not seen in the main ECF area when comments are posted)

IF used properly .. you can keep the integrity of the Social Group intent and discuss Group activity/actions at the same time.

The reason this is important... if a "off topic" conversation occurs it doesn't over power threads that are requesting/showing/sharing the Groups "meat" in your case "PIF" "Contest" " Guess what happened to me at the Mall" type threads.


This is only a suggestion... I will let the Social Group's mods/and members decide what to do with this thread .. and how to utilize the other areas of the Group.

I wish everyone well... and trust that the Group will take its course naturally...

(This is the only comment I am making on this thread..)



Sidebar: Still follow ECF rules ....

 

[crazygirll22]

I kinda agree here.Seems like alot of sneaky BS and thats not right.If you cant be honest and upfront about whats going on,then theres something wrong about it.None of the mods want to be honest and open about everything,that leads to distrust and thats not how it should be.Who even chose the mods?What is happening around here?wheres the trust and honesty?Seems kinda shady.Anyone care to comment?

I tend to agree with kezygirl and autumn, what the heck happened? I'm all for moving on with everything, but I think we all deserve an explanation of what transpired first. Otherwise there isn't going to be much trust from the group, and now some of us are leaving too? I for one would really appreciate a synopsis of what's happened, no names of course but I'd like to know what lead up to all this. If someone knows and doesn't want to post publicly then please pm me.
Thanks,
Crazygirll

 

[Blaze]

I tend to agree with kezygirl and autumn, what the heck happened? I'm all for moving on with everything, but I think we all deserve an explanation of what transpired first. Otherwise there isn't going to be much trust from the group, and now some of us are leaving too? I for one would really appreciate a synopsis of what's happened, no names of course but I'd like to know what lead up to all this. If someone knows and doesn't want to post publicly then please pm me.
Thanks,
Crazygirll

If anyone finds out, would you kindly PM me? I'm at a loss myself as to what went down....

 

[nephilim]

still open for discussion
please be civil from this point forward

 

[VRubin]

haha i posted before you closed it

 

[keyzygirl]

You keep trying to stop us from asking questions,WHY?We arent being rude or singling anyone out.We are just asking for info.Why does it upset you and make you close the threads?We arent allowed to talk anymore?We arent bothering anyone.Just talking.

 

[GoodDog]

I think Rose's co-op was fantastic. Right now we have our hands full trying to just keep the group together. It seems some would rather see it close.

I can explain what happened but it would hurt feelings and I don't know that that is the best for the group or the people involved.

Blaze you know exactly what transpired. You are the one that asked me to come back and take it over. You stated that all you wanted was to do co-ops because of your RL responsibilities.

I made the best decisions I could make with the information I had. I haven't defended myself because I felt people would come to their own conclusions and I didn't want to create more drama or hurt feelings.

There's nothing secretive going on. I gave the group ownership to Nephilim because, as I have always said, I don't want to be the main moderator.

We set up a diverse group of people that we felt would best represent the needs of PIF members. If this process would have been opened up to all of ECF for a vote it could have been a disaster.

Where do we draw the line between letting people vent and allowing people to ruin the feeling of the group with negative comments and inciting anger through PMs? The drama will stop only when we don't participate in it.

I promise you that I tried really, really hard to make the right choices and do the right thing for PIF. I hope and pray that I did and that we continue to make it the best place to find support and friendships while paying it forward.

Allie

 

[VRubin]

I think everyones feelings are hurt no matter how you look at it.
I still luv ya GoodDog

 

[Blaze]

Blaze you know exactly what transpired. You are the one that asked me to come back and take it over. You stated that all you wanted was to do co-ops because of your RL responsibilities.

No, I most certainly don't. I xfer'd the group to you because you said YOU wanted to be head mod. I also stated I wanted to stay on as a mod, just not HEAD mod, and I NEVER said anything (to the best of my memory) about co-ops, although I may have (I can't swear that I didn't).

I suggested taking on Neph as a CO-MOD, not HEAD mod.

NOTHING at all was communicated to me, NO ONE let me in on what was happening.

I DO know, however, this is the last straw for me. This is as good as a slap in the face. I will finish my obligations here as far as my contests go, then I'm done.

 

[GoodDog]

Blaze, I forwarded you the PM that you sent me about co-ops. I really don't want to air this in the public forum and cause more hurt but I will if it means letting the group know what really happened.