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Dr. Oz just put on his "worst list of 2013" , ecigs. Hmm, he says we are vaping anti-freeze. He also says they are marketed towards middle school age children with flavors of bubblegum and cola. Well, nobody told me is was illegal as an adult to like bubblegum or cola! :vapor: and i am sooooo tired of the anti freeze line...........

.... I don't watch or care for him but I mean lots of older people ...............UGH.
 

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.... I don't watch or care for him but I mean lots of older people ...............UGH.

people like he and dr phil are dangerous, IMO. pop docs. jaysus. 58417df439a1b8d2b5188cce05d2b1.gif
 

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may i suggest a punching bag? a non-living one, preferably. your anger needs an outlet. i lived with men who had anger issues who took it out on me. no fun.

oh, vaping strawberry shortcake with peanut butter cup. View attachment 282246

I prefer to start up a video game and torture anonymous internet gamers to relieve my aggressions, it does wonders to kill people over and over again virtually. :) I vape bakery flavors while doing this because it seems right. (not weird at all)

I am vaping my accidental MBV mix turned purposeful mix.
After absentmindedly topping off my Blood Orange mini PT2 with Cherry Limeade then trying another mix of the same because it was so good... I dumped both bottles into a larger one :)

Blood Cherry Limeade, YUM. :vapor:
 

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well i don't like the sounds of that. :(

well, it's just a machine. maybe i'll look into it! ;)

How's it antifreeze


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because antifreeze is now being made safer. so, yes, the same stuff we're vaping is used as a "green" alternative in antifreeze.

no biggie, just the truth.
 

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Sleep Apnea can cause severe exhaustion which can be mitigated with the mask thingy. My line of work requires DOT cards. I think it is a requirement that if you are Sleep Apnea diagnosed you have to be on some kind of treatment or at least have a Dr say it is not bad enough to cause severe exhaustion.
 

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How's it antifreeze


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Because it comes in several grades, PG has been used for a variety of uses. Industrial grade PG is used as an active ingredient in engine coolants and antifreeze; airplane de-icers; polyurethane cushions; paints, enamels and varnishes; and in many products as a solvent or surfactant. In all fairness, it should be stated that PG was only added to anti-freeze to replace Ethylene Glycol. It had been a problem because dogs often lap up puddles of anti-freeze.

The form most pertinent to this article is the pharmaceutical grade. This is a much less concentrated form of PG and therefore less problematic. That being stated, it is also the controversial form due to its use in products that are either ingested or enter the body through application to the skin. It is commonly used as a solvent in oral, topical and injectable drug products as well as in foods.

Though the controversy over PG wages on, it is not for lack of research. In fact many studies have been conducted, but results have been contradictory. Possibly this is because the concentration of PG in the formulation studied is not always readily apparent. Regardless, the government agencies involved have deemed it safe: The FDA includes Pharmaceutical grade PG on its Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) list. The World Health Organization also considers it as safe for use.

Studies on dogs and rats, which were fed doses of PG ranging from two to five grams per kg of body weight per day, showed no links to cancer. The results satisfied the Cosmetic Ingredient Review Expert Panel enough to conclude that there was no carcinogenic risk with low levels of ingestion of PG. A low level of PG was defined, and as a result, the panel recommended that only PG with a concentration less than 50% should be used in cosmetics.

Though cancer might not be a concern, it was also found that PG provoked allergic reactions in patients with eczema and other skin allergies, even in formulations of much less than 50%.

The Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) cites skin, liver and kidney damage that can result from contact with PG, and it gives safe handling instructions, calling it a hazardous substance. Though not specified, this is for the more concentrated industrial grade.

Learn more: Propylene Glycol: The Good, the Bad and the Alternatives
 

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Because it comes in several grades, PG has been used for a variety of uses. Industrial grade PG is used as an active ingredient in engine coolants and antifreeze; airplane de-icers; polyurethane cushions; paints, enamels and varnishes; and in many products as a solvent or surfactant. In all fairness, it should be stated that PG was only added to anti-freeze to replace Ethylene Glycol. It had been a problem because dogs often lap up puddles of anti-freeze.

The form most pertinent to this article is the pharmaceutical grade. This is a much less concentrated form of PG and therefore less problematic. That being stated, it is also the controversial form due to its use in products that are either ingested or enter the body through application to the skin. It is commonly used as a solvent in oral, topical and injectable drug products as well as in foods.

Though the controversy over PG wages on, it is not for lack of research. In fact many studies have been conducted, but results have been contradictory. Possibly this is because the concentration of PG in the formulation studied is not always readily apparent. Regardless, the government agencies involved have deemed it safe: The FDA includes Pharmaceutical grade PG on its Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) list. The World Health Organization also considers it as safe for use.

Studies on dogs and rats, which were fed doses of PG ranging from two to five grams per kg of body weight per day, showed no links to cancer. The results satisfied the Cosmetic Ingredient Review Expert Panel enough to conclude that there was no carcinogenic risk with low levels of ingestion of PG. A low level of PG was defined, and as a result, the panel recommended that only PG with a concentration less than 50% should be used in cosmetics.

Though cancer might not be a concern, it was also found that PG provoked allergic reactions in patients with eczema and other skin allergies, even in formulations of much less than 50%.

The Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) cites skin, liver and kidney damage that can result from contact with PG, and it gives safe handling instructions, calling it a hazardous substance. Though not specified, this is for the more concentrated industrial grade.

Learn more: Propylene Glycol: The Good, the Bad and the Alternatives

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i'm telling Dusty!

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j/k thought that was funny! :p
 

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because antifreeze is now being made safer. so, yes, the same stuff we're vaping is used as a "green" alternative in antifreeze.

PG is a food grade anti freeze added to some foods to lower the temp at which they freeze. It is also used in some industrial applications.
PEG - Polyethylene Glycol is a "green-safer" alternative to Ethylene Glycol which is the more common antifreeze.

I do not vape PEG.
 

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Sleep Apnea can cause severe exhaustion which can be mitigated with the mask thingy. My line of work requires DOT cards. I think it is a requirement that if you are Sleep Apnea diagnosed you have to be on some kind of treatment or at least have a Dr say it is not bad enough to cause severe exhaustion.

oh yeah, she said no cpap, no DOT card. :confused:

i only needed a permission slip from my cardiologist...
 

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I prefer to start up a video game and torture anonymous internet gamers to relieve my aggressions, it does wonders to kill people over and over again virtually. :) I vape bakery flavors while doing this because it seems right. (not weird at all)

I am vaping my accidental MBV mix turned purposeful mix.
After absentmindedly topping off my Blood Orange mini PT2 with Cherry Limeade then trying another mix of the same because it was so good... I dumped both bottles into a larger one :)

Blood Cherry Limeade, YUM. :vapor:

I'm not much of a gamer, but I do enjoy shooting people in the face in the latest CoD release.

Unfortunately my 360 bit the dust a few months ago.
 

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It's not.

The "It is antifreeze" argument is equivalent to stating that because almonds contain cyanide, we should ban almonds....

in the interest of full disclosure tho, some people are allergic and/or have reactions to ingesting PG, me included. if i vape 80/20 juice a lot, i get very itchy all over my body. 50/50 and below, i am fine. :)
 
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