My Boba's clone

[buffaloguy]

If you look at Ave premium juices you see a 555 so I suspect it would be in bb as well. Great findings buffalo. But if we want to stay true to what Ben mentioned it has to be: TA BM 555 CD and brown sugar.

The CD and brown sugar might be a cinnamon roll that his friend ate along the cigar or something (or was it drink something along the cigar, can't remember)

Ben has never mentioned any ingredients to my knowledge. Just 3 tobaccos and 5 total ingredients. I did not use brown sugar as an ingredient because cinnamon danish accomplishes the same thing flavor wise. Imo, youd drown out the danish with brown sugar over top of it. Molasses generally drowns cinnamon quite a bit. I could be wrong but my cooking and baking skills tell me thats true. Itd generally be the same in juices.

If I had to guess he used Blackjack and 555 from diyfs (both vg based), TA Blend made in VG (without EM or maybe 1/16tsp), cinnamon danish or red hots in vg, and distilled water. Seedmans to me is the odd man out here.... HOWEVER, It was being used by vapers in late 2009 and early 2010 and it WAS origionally made in VG base. I confirmed that with Seedmans along time ago. These days its made in PG. However I believe they still do sell a concentrated version that could be mixed with VG that wouldnt be entirely 100%Vg, but he could be using it to make his own TA Blend.

 

[kuvanos]

Ben has never mentioned any ingredients to my knowledge. Just 3 tobaccos and 5 total ingredients. I did not use brown sugar as an ingredient because cinnamon danish accomplishes the same thing flavor wise. Imo, youd drown out the danish with brown sugar over top of it. Molasses generally drowns cinnamon quite a bit. I could be wrong but my cooking and baking skills tell me thats true. Itd generally be the same in juices.

If I had to guess he used Blackjack and 555 from diyfs (both vg based), TA Blend made in VG (without EM or maybe 1/16tsp), cinnamon danish or red hots in vg, and distilled water. Seedmans to me is the odd man out here.... HOWEVER, It was being used by vapers in late 2009 and early 2010 and it WAS origionally made in VG base. I confirmed that with Seedmans along time ago. These days its made in PG. However I believe they still do sell a concentrated version that could be mixed with VG that wouldnt be entirely 100%Vg, but he could be using it to make his own TA Blend.

Hey Buffalo, Should we order the seedmans?, or do you think we can get by without it?

 

[buffaloguy]

To try the recipe I posted accurately then yes. It is, imo, a wise addition to tobacco vapes especially those made with TA. I consider it to be a really valued part of my mixing. Alot of recipes I have wouldnt be the same without it. The recipe would likely be a bit different without it. How much so? I cant say till I make it.

I would like to see people try to do it as written if possible. I really do believe its that close.

 

[FLExJuice]

I know Ben said there is no chocolate "flavor" but I'm getting chocolate for sure and I believe his supplier is extracting from a cigar that has a chocolate note.

This is just my crazy theory so bare with me....Ben is a word wizard and he gave us the biggest clue by telling us what's not in it.

I believe the first 4 in his list is what is being mimicked from the cigar extract, sort of. Let's look at it.

I've heard a LOT of feedback about this flavor and what I can tell you is that it is different to different people. I know the 5 basic ingredients to this liquid and I can assure you nobody has come close to guessing them but.. I have heard:

Chocolate
Apple Spice
Hickory
Sugar/Marshmallow
Menthol (?WTH?)
Wintergreen (see menthol)
Ginseng - ewww

Notice he doesn't have a comment for the last 3.

This is how I would "David Copperfield" those trying to clone my money making ejuice.

Plus I know I've come up with crazy theories in why he called it Boba's Bounty but I believe whatever Boba Fett's reward in the movie is a direct reference to the "secret ingredient". Based on wiki, Boba was going to collect a bounty on Solo. Any Star War fans know what that is? Money?

Okay enough crazy talk for tonight. =D

 

[yooperdad]

How to make what I call Dan's Mix. Its one part TPA tobacco Absolute Blend in either PG or ALC, and 2 parts Seedman's Commercial mixed together then used at 1.5% as in the above recipe.

As TPA tobacco ansolute blend is also hard to come by you can make that on your own as well via the post above.

Thanks for your effort and the details. Maybe I'm dense or something, but in entering this recipe in Juice Calculator, I started to wonder why bother with making the Dan's Mix when both components could be added directly, could they not? The Seedman's CM is already being added as could the TA, diluted as necessary. I'm missing something here. Sorry to be a PITA

 

[buffaloguy]

Thanks for your effort and the details. Maybe I'm dense or something, but in entering this recipe in Juice Calculator, I started to wonder why bother with making the Dan's Mix when both components could be added directly, could they not? The Seedman's CM is already being added as could the TA, diluted as necessary. I'm missing something here. Sorry to be a PITA

Its not a PITA. Thats just how I do it because I have them as separate components for other mixing purposes. If you wanna work out the math accurately and do it that way feel free. I use a home built excel calculator and an android app. I make the premix because as 2 to 1 its easy to do and then you are only using a percentage of that in your final mix. I never bothered to do the math on it cause I dont need to.

As long as your numbers, in your calc, match to the T, go for it. The reason I suggested people do it as written is to eliminate variances in mixes based on what I have here. Im certain some will say, "this doesnt seem right so lets try this other component based on the same recipe". I am really confident that the flavorings are pretty correct from a pure flavor perspective. So this will give us a new starting point for everyone to work from I hope.

Im not gonna say its a perfect clone. I have clearly stated my issues with it but I do believe the flavorings are correct. That enhancement of the butteryness of bobas I was missing came from the Dk/555. I dont know why it enhances the cinn danish flavoring, but it does, and it add that missing nutty note. If you mix the tpa 555 at a higher percentage it becomes rather nutty and slightly creamy.

It just all makes sense.

 

[buffaloguy]

I know Ben said there is no chocolate "flavor" but I'm getting chocolate for sure and I believe his supplier is extracting from a cigar that has a chocolate note.

This is just my crazy theory so bare with me....Ben is a word wizard and he gave us the biggest clue by telling us what's not in it.

I believe the first 4 in his list is what is being mimicked from the cigar extract, sort of. Let's look at it.



Notice he doesn't have a comment for the last 3.

This is how I would "David Copperfield" those trying to clone my money making ejuice.

Plus I know I've come up with crazy theories in why he called it Boba's Bounty but I believe whatever Boba Fett's reward in the movie is a direct reference to the "secret ingredient". Based on wiki, Boba was going to collect a bounty on Solo. Any Star War fans know what that is? Money?

Okay enough crazy talk for tonight. =D

Lol, I think we have beaten his list of whats not in it and why he calls it bobas into a dead horse by now. Im not sure it matters. The real question is, how to see thru his nonsense. He can say no chocolate cause its technically a B&M flavoring that likely has chocolate notes in it, that doesnt make it chocolate... that makes it B&M.... its double talk. Flim flam!

See how he says "basic 5", that doesnt mean there arent more either.... flim flam!

What I have to look at is history, and his history. What was he working with based on what was available then? Thats where the answers were/are. Very little of what he has said about Bobas itself Ive taken to heart. Dissecting that old statement about what is not in it is futile. He could have said moose dropping arent in it too... or that xyz tobacco isnt in it. Flim flam! Smoke and mirrors. A good magician uses misdirection.

 

[FLExJuice]

I think your 555 discovery is a game changer for this clone. But I think I may have found the actual supplier of the "B&M". It makes perfect sense in the BB riddle. I'm waiting for a reply from the supplier and I'll know for sure. But it's pretty much what you guys have been saying with it being a tobacco extract.

...From what I gather 555 will have hints of chocolate, hazelnut, and carmel.

...I'm thinking of trying Bavarian Creme with this clone.

 

[buffaloguy]

I personally dont believe a NET (or WTA even) is being used in Bobas at all. Now its possible that the blackjack flavoring from diyfs is one, but I dont think they will tell us if it is.

 

[FLExJuice]

They (Ben & Dawn) will never tell us but I think I found their supplier. Earlier I posted a link to the vendor's flavors as I was looking for tobacco extracts. Funny part is someone reviewed it as being like BB.

I know we've seen people claim "this and that" then many of us (myself included) buy the flavors and/or ejuice and it's not a match. As much fun as it's been learning DIY from cloning BB, I think the ride is coming to a close. More folks will be able to make it at a much affordable price and with their preferred Nic and PG/VG ratio.

 

[phanto]

I personally dont believe a NET (or WTA even) is being used in Bobas at all. Now its possible that the blackjack flavoring from diyfs is one, but I dont think they will tell us if it is.

just wondering who first came up with the "diyfs" for diyflavorshack considering what that means according to the Urban Directory. Pretty clever really!

 

[FLExJuice]

I'm going to use that one day. LoL. The examples they use is hilarious. It kind of works with what were doing to clone BB...Do It Yourself (Bleepin) Self....or pay the piper.

 

[JohnnyDill]

Mr Buffalo, can you please provide a link to this exact flavor you used?--------> "Black & Mild @ 2% (Vapingzone)"

-I cannot find it at the VZ site.

 

[ccwaters]

I've tried the other "tobacco" flavored juices from AVE, 555, Cuban Gold, Gamel, Honestly, they all taste very similar, Cuban being the only one I liked at all, his tobaccos I've tried have a very distinct honey taste to me, didn't care for them if you use one of the internet archives you can see what else he was selling back in the early days.

I seriously think all these guesses, including bakery, cinnamon, ETC are not wrong, but are picking up traits of the Tobacco flavors I was pretty set on him using a NET, but the further I've delved into this, the less I think this to be the case.

As Flex mentioned, and as I said before, most if not all of the flavors can be attributed to tobacco flavoring. And while some recipes may replicate some of those flavors using cinnamon, vanilla, what have you, going down this path will never result in reaching the goal.

Here is one of my favorite Cigar reviews, I would love to do an extraction on one of these, unfortunately I believe they are no longer produced, and unavailable, if anyone knows of a source hit me up!

Xikar HC Habano² Review | Cigar Nubs

 

[phanto]

Mr Buffalo, can you please provide a link to this exact flavor you used?--------> "Black & Mild @ 2% (Vapingzone)"

-I cannot find it at the VZ site.

i was looking there earlier today - most likely Black Cigar but Mr B might like to confirm.

 

[FLExJuice]

I'm leaning towards an extract from a 5 Vegas Cigar Classic or Gold...maybe even the Gold Maduro and Series A.

MyVapeJuice (MVJ) is an ECF vendor that provides these extracts and you can use 20-30% in flavor, plus all VG.

 

[HappiVappi]

Mr Buffalo, can you please provide a link to this exact flavor you used?--------> "Black & Mild @ 2% (Vapingzone)"

-I cannot find it at the VZ site.

TFA has the same flavor - well, with the same name of sort. They call it Mild Black. It could be the same or close enough. If Mr. B would comment on that - that'll be great.

Cheers.

 

[buffaloguy]

yes, sorry I know Vapingzone was forced to change the name of it sometime back. I believe it was changed to black cigar. i still have bottles labeled black and mild tho. i stocked up on it when it first came out.

 

[buffaloguy]

TFA has the same flavor - well, with the same name of sort. They call it Mild Black. It could be the same or close enough. If Mr. B would comment on that - that'll be great.

Cheers.

I personally have never used a TFA version of it, so I cannot say if its similar. if you have it on hand feel free to try with the recipe with it. Just realize it might be stronger or weaker in concentration, and even different in flavor profile. So your results may vary from what I made.

 

[buffaloguy]

I'm leaning towards an extract from a 5 Vegas Cigar Classic or Gold...maybe even the Gold Maduro and Series A.

MyVapeJuice (MVJ) is an ECF vendor that provides these extracts and you can use 20-30% in flavor, plus all VG.

How long have they been in business?