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I've tried the other "tobacco" flavored juices from AVE, 555, Cuban Gold, Gamel, Honestly, they all taste very similar, Cuban being the only one I liked at all, his tobaccos I've tried have a very distinct honey taste to me, didn't care for them if you use one of the internet archives you can see what else he was selling back in the early days.

I seriously think all these guesses, including bakery, cinnamon, ETC are not wrong, but are picking up traits of the tobacco flavors I was pretty set on him using a NET, but the further I've delved into this, the less I think this to be the case.

As Flex mentioned, and as I said before, most if not all of the flavors can be attributed to tobacco flavoring. And while some recipes may replicate some of those flavors using cinnamon, vanilla, what have you, going down this path will never result in reaching the goal.

Here is one of my favorite Cigar reviews, I would love to do an extraction on one of these, unfortunately I believe they are no longer produced, and unavailable, if anyone knows of a source hit me up!

Xikar HC Habano² Review | Cigar Nubs

Hey,

Totally agree about flavors from the tobaccos providing the main, if not all, of the flavorings, the other (2?) ingredients may just be water, sweetener, etc etc .....

Can anybody top this for the Boba's Clone theme song:

[ Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel that's turning running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind! ]

But some of you really Golden Oldies (like me) might prefer Ella:

Keep on keeping on guys.
 

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Ill be making up a few samples with varying percentages of the ingredients in my recipe tonight just cause I need to mix some other things. Ill update if anything worty of note springs up from it.

I also ordered some bobas as well. Everything I have might be the same age when it gets here. I threw a 6ml of gorilla juice in my cart just for giggles. Wanna see how similar it is to Bobas, if at all.
 
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I'm going to use that one day. LoL. The examples they use is hilarious. It kind of works with what were doing to clone BB...Do It Yourself (Bleepin) Self....or pay the piper.

But let's make it ABOLUTELY CLEAR that we are NOT implying any reference to Dawn!

If she thought that she'd go APE and I for one would not want that. Could be the LAST POST for me!

[No, I'm not going to attach an mp3 for the bugle call]

That lady belongs on a pedestal for getting Ben off. On his vaping career, I mean.

Phew! Let me get back in my cage. Bye ya'll.
 
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I'm almost certain he uses real honey in his mix. There's NO honey flavoring that is like his, and I've tried almost all I could get my hands on. I bought some premium grade A wildflower honey online and I'm experimenting with this now. VZ Black cigar, ECX Black mile plus, TA, CAP Graham cracker, fig, gingerbread and a touch of honey and it's darn near close imo.

Yet to try Buffaloguy's since I dont have the cinnamon danish or seedmans, but will be soon. I've tried it without the seeman's and substituting cinnamon bread for the danish, but the cinnamon was just too potenet even in the smallest amount.
 
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Keep in mind here that I have never tried genuine Boba's and I have no interest in doing so. ;)

I took buffaloguy's "other" recipe and made my own take on it. :) -I am not sure if it tastes more or less like real Boba's or not. It does not matter to me. This is easily the best mix I have EVER made IMO other than my menthol tobaccos for an ADV. I am making a 60 ml batch of this as we speak. Anybody that has these ingredients- give it a shot. I am not saying that this is a clone of Boba's. I am saying that this tastes incredible and I just HAVE to share this!!! Scenarios like this are why DIY can be extremely rewarding......

{For tobacco absolute mix here, I took 1.5 ml Azure TA and diluted to 15ml with PG and 1%EM. This mix has been steeping for months}

10% tobacco absolute mix
2% TFA Mild Black
5% TFA Cinnamon Danish
5% TFA Graham Cracker Clear
2% TFA Double Chocolate Dark
1% FA Coconut
1% EM
FA Cinnamon- one drop per 3 ml of finished juice {example: for 15 ml of juice, add 5 drops}

I use a base with 15mg nic, 40PG/40VG/10DW but you could use any percentages here.

A million thanks to Buffaloguy for sharing his great recipe. Without it, I would have never, ever thought of this....... :)
 

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Keep in mind here that I have never tried genuine Boba's and I have no interest in doing so. ;)

I took buffaloguy's "other" recipe and made my own take on it. :) -I am not sure if it tastes more or less like real Boba's or not. It does not matter to me. This is easily the best mix I have EVER made IMO other than my menthol tobaccos for an ADV. I am making a 60 ml batch of this as we speak. Anybody that has these ingredients- give it a shot. I am not saying that this is a clone of Boba's. I am saying that this tastes incredible and I just HAVE to share this!!! Scenarios like this are why DIY can be extremely rewarding......

{For tobacco absolute mix here, I took 1.5 ml Azure TA and diluted to 15ml with PG and 1%EM. This mix has been steeping for months}

10% tobacco absolute mix
2% TFA Mild Black
5% TFA Cinnamon Danish
5% TFA Graham Cracker Clear
2% TFA Double Chocolate Dark
1% FA Coconut
1% EM
FA Cinnamon- one drop per 3 ml of finished juice {example: for 15 ml of juice, add 5 drops}

I use a base with 15mg nic, 40PG/40VG/10DW but you could use any percentages here.

A million thanks to Buffaloguy for sharing his great recipe. Without it, I would have never, ever thought of this....... :)
That looks more like slohand and eitano recipes more than buffalo's. I think buffalo added the 555. I'm confused don't mind me if I'm wrong.
 

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That looks more like slohand and eitano recipes more than buffalo's. I think buffalo added the 555. I'm confused don't mind me if I'm wrong.

Its a version of an earlier recipe I posted which Johnny has taken creative license to. Just grateful hes found it useful.

@ Mr. Buttflakes.... not that I believe honey is in bobas but Im curious how you are using real honey with all that raw sugar and not absolutely killing your coils? Im sure Im missing something.
 
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yep, thats it. i just dont make it in those quantities. You can certainly leave the EM out but then its not TA blend. When I make this from scratch in PG I do use EM. As Ive said tho it could well be Ben just uses TA pure in VG. Using two drops of TA pure in 10ml might be too much for some folks. Some people recommend one drop. I personally use two.

So do you think that a 1/32 teaspoon of Tobacco Absolute in 15mls of PG would be too much? I have a 1/32 tsp and it's really small. It could maybe fit 3 or possibly four drops of TA in a level scoop of a 1/32 tsp.

I'm just going to go off of taste for now when I mix Dan's mix for the TA and EM and see how it pans out in the final mix of buffaloguy's recipe, and adjust from there.
 

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Warm your TA in warm water then using a toothpick put one drop to 10ml,Good shake,put into warm water,shake again job done.
You'll know you have right cos after a week or two you should have a ring of resin around the top of the bottle IMG_0529.jpg
 

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Personally i would start of lower than 10% on the TA and work your way up and omit the EM, This is already mixed in the TA mix.

Keep in mind here that I have never tried genuine Boba's and I have no interest in doing so. ;)

I took buffaloguy's "other" recipe and made my own take on it. :) -I am not sure if it tastes more or less like real Boba's or not. It does not matter to me. This is easily the best mix I have EVER made IMO other than my menthol tobaccos for an ADV. I am making a 60 ml batch of this as we speak. Anybody that has these ingredients- give it a shot. I am not saying that this is a clone of Boba's. I am saying that this tastes incredible and I just HAVE to share this!!! Scenarios like this are why DIY can be extremely rewarding......

{For tobacco absolute mix here, I took 1.5 ml Azure TA and diluted to 15ml with PG and 1%EM. This mix has been steeping for months}

10% tobacco absolute mix
2% TFA Mild Black
5% TFA Cinnamon Danish
5% TFA Graham Cracker Clear
2% TFA Double Chocolate Dark
1% FA Coconut
1% EM
FA Cinnamon- one drop per 3 ml of finished juice {example: for 15 ml of juice, add 5 drops}

I use a base with 15mg nic, 40PG/40VG/10DW but you could use any percentages here.

A million thanks to Buffaloguy for sharing his great recipe. Without it, I would have never, ever thought of this....... :)
 

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So do you think that a 1/32 teaspoon of Tobacco Absolute in 15mls of PG would be too much? I have a 1/32 tsp and it's really small. It could maybe fit 3 or possibly four drops of TA in a level scoop of a 1/32 tsp.

I'm just going to go off of taste for now when I mix Dan's mix for the TA and EM and see how it pans out in the final mix of buffaloguy's recipe, and adjust from there.

Yes, thats too much. 1 to 2 drops of TA pure is plenty. I do suggest starting with one. This is really strong stuff. Ive done higher and the results were less than stellar.

I did get vape mail today. A bottle of bobas and gorilla juice from ave just for comparison. Might sit down tonight if I have time for notes and vape em.
 
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As I had the ingredients to hand, I mixed your latest recipe last Monday buffaloguy, but I didn't heat it up, so I hope in the long term that won't make a difference.

I used PA's TA which I'm lucky enough to have a reasonable supply of and I used all VG liqiud, both for the TA dilution and in my mix.

I had mixed a version the day before, omitting the Seedman's concentrate, then the following day I decided to mix the given recipe as well. I think I might clean out a dripper and try them out over the weekend to see how they're doing so far.

Cheers buffaloguy! Looking forward to reading your BB comparison notes later.
 

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I tested my juice vs. Bobas. So I tried to remove any variables between devices Im vaping this on and I wanted the most accurate flavor I could. So I popped open two new 2.4ohm 510 bridgeless attys. I find these to be excellent for testing and comparing juices. I got out two vamos both set to 6watts, then 7watts, then 8watts. I wanted to cycle thru the flavor range. I have saline on hand to swish in my mouth to clean my palatte between sampling. There is no variation in gear. One loaded with actual bobas and the other with the recipe I posted last week.

Had the vamo with bobas in it not had an ego ring in the drip well I would have had to start over. Reason, as I vaped them side by side my brain got a bit scrambled between which was live, and which one was memorex. Truly, its that darn close to my palatte. Im not the only one. My girlfriend tried them and I didnt tell here which was which, she even got confused. Now shes not a vaper usually. Only when I ask her to try something to tell me if flavors are good. Shes never smoked in her life.

However, this is what I will say on my recipe now that Im not working from memory on Bobas.... the only thing wrong with it is the dk555 needs to go up maybe 1% and there is a bit of that floral TA floweryness in the background going on that likely means the TA Blend isnt correct.... sort of. Ill explain why tho.

The differences between my recipe and actual bobas is now about only the difference in ACTUAL ingredients. What I mean is, where Ive used TA Blend he is likely using just one drop of TA pure diluted in 10 to 15ml of VG with little to likely NO EM in it. Where Im using TPA DK/555, he is using diyfs 555. Where I am using VZ black and mild he is using diyfs Blackjack. Is cinnamon danish correct? Maybe not, but hell if I can think of a different buttery cinnamon that will work. The seedmans? My recipe performs better with it than without it entirely I think. I may need to reduce it a tad but its helping keep the TA in check so it works.

Imo, coconut... out. Graham cracker.... out. Added chocolate or vanilla... out. Hazelnuts, almonds, peanuts... out. I have the flavor profile correct.

Im my opinion (and Im only one guy maybe alone on my island... lol) now it is only about playing with actual possible ingredients as I mentioned above and nailing percentages. The "flavor profile" which concerns me more than nailing his recipe 100% item for item is where I absolutely feel this is a firm direct Bobas clone. Good enough infact to fool people who likely have vaped bobas, know how it tastes.

I did test two other versions of this recipe. One without seedmans and one with more dk/555 in it. Both with less water and 85% vg content. The latter of which, frankly, is better than Bobas bounty as an all day vape. Ill post that up tomorrow sometime.
 
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Hey Buffalo, are you getting any honey taste at all in your bobas? The reason I ask is I get it on the exhale. When I ordered my 555 from DIYFS, I also ordered her honey. I can tell you that her honey flavor is very mild and for a lack of a better word, (buttery). In fact, I could barely smell the honey aroma. Im just wondering if anyone else has checked this out. I am now waiting on my Vg nic, to make your recipe exactly as you have stated. Good work Sir!!
 

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I dont get any honey personally. Ive mentioned that butteryness before, but its not honey. Its a combination between the 555 and cinnamon danish playing off each other.

If there is a weak/buttery kind of honey in there from diyfs it wouldnt be a standout flavor but to blend the others.
 
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I tested my juice vs. Bobas. So I tried to remove any variables between devices Im vaping this on and I wanted the most accurate flavor I could. So I popped open two new 2.4ohm 510 bridgeless attys. I find these to be excellent for testing and comparing juices. I got out two vamos both set to 6watts, then 7watts, then 8watts. I wanted to cycle thru the flavor range. I have saline on hand to swish in my mouth to clean my palatte between sampling. There is no variation in gear. One loaded with actual bobas and the other with the recipe I posted last week.

Had the vamo with bobas in it not had an ego ring in the drip well I would have had to start over. Reason, as I vaped them side by side my brain got a bit scrambled between which was live, and which one was memorex. Truly, its that darn close to my palatte. Im not the only one. My girlfriend tried them and I didnt tell here which was which, she even got confused. Now shes not a vaper usually. Only when I ask her to try something to tell me if flavors are good. Shes never smoked in her life.

However, this is what I will say on my recipe now that Im not working from memory on Bobas.... the only thing wrong with it is the dk555 needs to go up maybe 1% and there is a bit of that floral TA floweryness in the background going on that likely means the TA Blend isnt correct.... sort of. Ill explain why tho.

The differences between my recipe and actual bobas is now about only the difference in ACTUAL ingredients. What I mean is, where Ive used TA Blend he is likely using just one drop of TA pure diluted in 10 to 15ml of VG with little to likely NO EM in it. Where Im using TPA DK/555, he is using diyfs 555. Where I am using VZ black and mild he is using diyfs Blackjack. Is cinnamon danish correct? Maybe not, but hell if I can think of a different buttery cinnamon that will work. The seedmans? My recipe performs better with it than without it entirely I think. I may need to reduce it a tad but its helping keep the TA in check so it works.

Imo, coconut... out. Graham cracker.... out. Added chocolate or vanilla... out. Hazelnuts, almonds, peanuts... out. I have the flavor profile correct.

Im my opinion (and Im only one guy maybe alone on my island... lol) now it is only about playing with actual possible ingredients as I mentioned above and nailing percentages. The "flavor profile" which concerns me more than nailing his recipe 100% item for item is where I absolutely feel this is a firm direct Bobas clone. Good enough infact to fool people who likely have vaped bobas, know how it tastes.

I did test two other versions of this recipe. One without seedmans and one with more dk/555 in it. Both with less water and 85% vg content. The latter of which, frankly, is better than Bobas bounty as an all day vape. Ill post that up tomorrow sometime.

Just wanted to thank you for all of your work buffalo, I will be trying this eventually but as usual I'm late to the party

Regarding a previous recipe you posted, I felt like the EM gave the right mouthfeel but the wrong flavor, so you're probably onto something with the above (e.g. Ben using TA in VG vs. TA with EM etc)

I do feel cinnamon danish or a very close equivalent is in Bobas, I can smell it just nosing the bottle

Following and will catch up one day, and thank you again!
 
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