He's got a little over 100 posts on the forum, so I'm assuming he's not just trolling the thread, but that was a really odd way to jump into the discussion.
My Boba's clone
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You didn't steal anything. The ethical dilemma simply doesn't exist. Try us. The chance of more than a handful of people agreeing with you is so slim it makes my .... like big 
Big IF here, if BB is a play on words of Boba Tea, I've got some ingredients to as least register the taste. I tried an uncooked tapioca and it's definitely not that. It could be the sweetener added that gets absorbed in the cooked tapioca which is made with Cane Sugar and Brown sugar. I'll have to make some to verify. I was smelling my boba tea flavors and there was something in Lychee that made me think of BB. I made a sample of Lychee to drink and tasted a drop of BB. The color looks like BB and the fruity sweetness is so darn close. My question to the DIYers, can a powder flavor be mixed with VG?
I found this description of what it taste like for those that never tried it before:
"What does lychee fruit taste like?
Lychee fruit is sweet, with a taste somewhat like the combination of a pear and a grape. The flesh is delicate, and the fruits have a sweet, slightly musky aroma. Lychee is ususlly eaten fresh, but it can also be preserved by canning. Its often made into jams, jellies, sauces, purees, and preserves. In some regions, lychee is a favorite addition to salads and desserts.
Another way to enjoy the fruit is in its dried form. The dried lychee is usually referred to as lychee nuts, although they dont look or taste like nuts. They more closely resemble raisins in both appearance and taste."
http://habee.hubpages.com/hub/Lychee-Fruit-A-True-Super-Food
I found this description of what it taste like for those that never tried it before:
"What does lychee fruit taste like?
Lychee fruit is sweet, with a taste somewhat like the combination of a pear and a grape. The flesh is delicate, and the fruits have a sweet, slightly musky aroma. Lychee is ususlly eaten fresh, but it can also be preserved by canning. Its often made into jams, jellies, sauces, purees, and preserves. In some regions, lychee is a favorite addition to salads and desserts.
Another way to enjoy the fruit is in its dried form. The dried lychee is usually referred to as lychee nuts, although they dont look or taste like nuts. They more closely resemble raisins in both appearance and taste."
http://habee.hubpages.com/hub/Lychee-Fruit-A-True-Super-Food
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I see people are already angry at me. I posted that as more of a help to my own thought process. You are right that i probably should have just kept it to myself. I was very excited mind you and I instinctively wanted to shout it from the rooftops. Wouldnt you? Sorry about that. Probably would have been better to not post.
No one liked the masked magician did they though? I am still trying to decide, but right now I would probably regret more sharing it and not trying to start myself down the path of doing what i love for work, asking "what if?"... You know? And i would regret less if i used it to help me start my own business. Its not that i dont want to share, but I dont want to waste an opportunity. I do not feel like wanting to provide better for loved ones is an evil desire.
Again I am sorry.
PS: To help to make up for the fact that i posted anything at all instead of staying silent: It is not Bounty paper towels, it is not a candy bar, It is not Bobas tea, It is not beer, it is not some silly asian ingredient, it is an ingredient that all of us have tasted, Ben was not lying, and yes its aliens (j/k lol). I might be going to see georgio here soon with friends actually. I kinda just want to take a picture with him while i was doing his famous aliens pose like in the picture there, and maybe take shots of ohhhh... lets say tequila (that sounds fun) every time he says "ancient astronaught theorists" rofl!
No one liked the masked magician did they though? I am still trying to decide, but right now I would probably regret more sharing it and not trying to start myself down the path of doing what i love for work, asking "what if?"... You know? And i would regret less if i used it to help me start my own business. Its not that i dont want to share, but I dont want to waste an opportunity. I do not feel like wanting to provide better for loved ones is an evil desire.
Again I am sorry.
PS: To help to make up for the fact that i posted anything at all instead of staying silent: It is not Bounty paper towels, it is not a candy bar, It is not Bobas tea, It is not beer, it is not some silly asian ingredient, it is an ingredient that all of us have tasted, Ben was not lying, and yes its aliens (j/k lol). I might be going to see georgio here soon with friends actually
. I kinda just want to take a picture with him while i was doing his famous aliens pose like in the picture there, and maybe take shots of ohhhh... lets say tequila (that sounds fun) every time he says "ancient astronaught theorists" rofl!
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100% predictable follow-up post. We'll still be here, but I doubt anyone is sitting on the edge of their seat...
Oh no, please don't misunderstand, I couldn't care less.
Have you ever read The Emperors New Clothes? Great book, right up your alley.
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Don't feel bad Rikiel. There are only a handful of ppl that DIY. Most will always buy pre-made ejuice from vendors.
I don't think your posting of what you think is the secret ingredient is in BB is going to put AVE out of business. Posting an ingredient and posting a recipe are two different things.
You could post what you think the secret ingredient is, and that's way different than posting a recipe. We still would not know the percentages of flavoring and other ingredients that are in BB.
I look at it like this....Coca-cola has their secret ingredients to their Coke, Diet Coke Ect. And even if all the ingredients were announced, I still wouldn't have a clue of how to make Coke, because I wouldn't know of the percentages of how much of (A) goes into (B) and then add (C) ect.
I don't think your posting of what you think is the secret ingredient is in BB is going to put AVE out of business. Posting an ingredient and posting a recipe are two different things.
You could post what you think the secret ingredient is, and that's way different than posting a recipe. We still would not know the percentages of flavoring and other ingredients that are in BB.
I look at it like this....Coca-cola has their secret ingredients to their Coke, Diet Coke Ect. And even if all the ingredients were announced, I still wouldn't have a clue of how to make Coke, because I wouldn't know of the percentages of how much of (A) goes into (B) and then add (C) ect.
It's quite obvious that he doesn't give a damn about putting anyone out of business. He wants to profit from it, plain and simple. It's not an issue of ethics, but greed.
I'm calling his bluff anyways. One secret ingredient that defines the juice, doubt it. Even if he is right, and the ingredient is part of the mix, he would still have to figure the correction ratio's, and the right tobaccos to use. He said that he's still starting out, and wants to start his own business (making money off of his ethical dilemma). I can assure you that's one vendor that will never see a dime of my money.
I've never tried BB. That always seems to be my opening sentence in this thread. Anyway... I can't imagine a juice being so great that everyone gets their rocks off over it since the main theme in this thread is not how great the juice is but how different everyone's taste buds distinguish flavors. We've had 4,815 (just an estimate, mind you) different recipes so far, many proclaiming they've got it down pat. So why all the excitement about someone claiming to have the SECRET ingredient when every one knows that it's only his taste buds that say it's that exact one. The way I see it, he can post his version, and every one will rush out and try it, only to proclaim "close, but no cigar". If he doesn't post, it'll just save every one the time and materials to find out he's the only one that feels victorious.
Mask magician was my favorite guy! Well back to the drawing board....I'm going to find a few Lychee flavors and try a variation of #7. I still need to find pomegranate to try.
Anyone try any of the Tobacco flavors at DIYFlavor? I think that is the best lead for the 3 Tobaccos. I'm thinking: Holy Grail RY4, House Blend Lama, and TAB.
Anyone try any of the Tobacco flavors at DIYFlavor? I think that is the best lead for the 3 Tobaccos. I'm thinking: Holy Grail RY4, House Blend Lama, and TAB.
I don't mind him not sharing his information, but the teasing aspect was a bit frustrating. I've actually been considering starting my own business for a few months now, but that hasn't stopped me from sharing information here on the forums. I would bet that one couldn't simply read all of my posts to figure out my recipes, but rather, there would be hints and tips along the way. In any case, I still have yet to sample Boba's so until that time comes, I won't know exactly how to contribute to this thread.
I do have an enjoyable tobacco vape that I created using hazelnut as one of the main ingredients. Would any of you say you taste hazelnut in Boba's?
I do have an enjoyable tobacco vape that I created using hazelnut as one of the main ingredients. Would any of you say you taste hazelnut in Boba's?
I don't but my wife thought so when smelling the vapor and liquid. Another ECF member said they stumbled upon the base when mixing Hazelnut and I think Chocolate. But since Ben said there is no Chocolate, it's probably coming from the Tobacco base. I found a recipe awhile back that was inspired by BB but need to find it. I'll update my post when I find it.
"60 ml Flavourart Perique Black flavoring
60 ml Perfumer's Apprentice Toasted Marshmallow flavoring
60 ml Perfumer's Apprentice French Vanilla flavoring
15 ml Perfumer's Apprentice Hazelnut flavoring
15 ml Perfumer's Apprentice Almond Flavoring
15 ml PGA
3 ml Perfumer's Apprentice Tobacco Absolute 50X dilution
1/2 tsp powdered pure stevia extract(unflavored)
Mix all this together, and then use it at 10% or so to flavor your juice. "
"1. Jungle Juice
40% 36mg Flue Cured Tobacco (pg base)
25% 0 Nic Chocolate Juice (pg base)
5% Green Apple Flavor concentrate
5% Rum Flavor concentrate
25% VG
2. Monkey Juice
40% 36mg Nic Fluecured Tobacco (pg base)
30% Bannana 0 Nic Juice (pg base)
5 % Cinnamon Flavor
25 % VG"
"60 ml Flavourart Perique Black flavoring
60 ml Perfumer's Apprentice Toasted Marshmallow flavoring
60 ml Perfumer's Apprentice French Vanilla flavoring
15 ml Perfumer's Apprentice Hazelnut flavoring
15 ml Perfumer's Apprentice Almond Flavoring
15 ml PGA
3 ml Perfumer's Apprentice Tobacco Absolute 50X dilution
1/2 tsp powdered pure stevia extract(unflavored)
Mix all this together, and then use it at 10% or so to flavor your juice. "
"1. Jungle Juice
40% 36mg Flue Cured Tobacco (pg base)
25% 0 Nic Chocolate Juice (pg base)
5% Green Apple Flavor concentrate
5% Rum Flavor concentrate
25% VG
2. Monkey Juice
40% 36mg Nic Fluecured Tobacco (pg base)
30% Bannana 0 Nic Juice (pg base)
5 % Cinnamon Flavor
25 % VG"
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Tobaccos are why I don't get excited about most of these "I know the secret!" posts, because they're never tobacco. They're always, the secret ingredient is fish oil, or it's my grandmas grape jelly, or it's pureed baby seal, etc.
Ben repeatedly refers to a tobacco base, but what is it? He says it's not a NET, so that's out, but that leaves plenty more.
There's a variety of Tobacco Absolutes (TAs) out there. I use TFA TA Blend ALC in just about every mix I try, but honestly I don't think that's it. I haven't tried others because of all the different extraction processes that can be used, and some of them aren't so swell for vaping Fragrance extraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Or Tobacco Extract (TE), but I haven't been able to find any since TFA pulled theirs, since the quality was inconsistent.
Then there's a slew of premixes containing TAs (not the ones containing a NET), and many more "tobacco" premixes which don't actually contain any tobacco byproducts, but instead other natural and/or artificial flavors.
Ben repeatedly refers to a tobacco base, but what is it? He says it's not a NET, so that's out, but that leaves plenty more.
There's a variety of Tobacco Absolutes (TAs) out there. I use TFA TA Blend ALC in just about every mix I try, but honestly I don't think that's it. I haven't tried others because of all the different extraction processes that can be used, and some of them aren't so swell for vaping Fragrance extraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Or Tobacco Extract (TE), but I haven't been able to find any since TFA pulled theirs, since the quality was inconsistent.
Then there's a slew of premixes containing TAs (not the ones containing a NET), and many more "tobacco" premixes which don't actually contain any tobacco byproducts, but instead other natural and/or artificial flavors.
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These thoughts are exactly why even before I tried bobas I 95% believed he was using tobacco absolute. Now, unless Im just way off base, Im 99% sure its an accurate assumption. It is very possible he is using a premade juice as a base for bobas in a high nic strength. A juice made in VG with an absolute as a base. In my conversation with Linda at TPA I askes her if absolutes could be mixed in VG. She didnt say they couldnt but it might need some testing.
Ben could very well be buying a base from Dawn and Dawn has refused to give him the recipe thus forcing him to be a permenant customer of her business and literally guaranteeing revenue. Makes a bit of sense to me. Does diyflavorshack ever run out of a particular tobacco around the same time frame as Ben cant make Bobas? Hmmmm.... dunno.
As far as someone who feels they know the secret ingredient and thinks they can spin it for a profit... frankly... good luck. You wont pull business from avejuice as Ben, and his customers, will just call it a clone. People always buy the origional product. As far as the DIY community having access to the info we are a fraction of a percentage of a sub group of vapers. We wouldnt take business from ave by having even a 100% exact replica of Bobas.
Rikiel, you can certainly start a business if you like. However unless you have a ton of marketing skill you wont make money off a bobas clone. To come here saying you arent sure of you should release the info for fear of hurting your future income is rediculous....
Do you know how many people would stand in line to buy your juice if you developed the reputation as "the guy who cracked bobas and offered it freely"??? You would have hero status in the vaping community. Any business you started would have a ton of customers. Its the best marketing vehicle you could ever get, and no amount of advertising or marketing dollars can buy that!
If you keep it to yourself, and IF (BIG IF) it is accurate, you will be known as the guy that is selfish, a profiteer, and that is a horrible reputation to start with.
People buy from people they like. Not people who are selfish. You catch more flies with honey.... and the golen rule even applies to business. Think Im kidding? Go ahead. Find out. You can be a hero or a fool. Your choice.
Live simple. Give more. Expect less. If you even knew how much I know about internet business you would be shocked. Ive done it all and then some. My advice to you, if you want to guarantee success, be a hero.
Ben could very well be buying a base from Dawn and Dawn has refused to give him the recipe thus forcing him to be a permenant customer of her business and literally guaranteeing revenue. Makes a bit of sense to me. Does diyflavorshack ever run out of a particular tobacco around the same time frame as Ben cant make Bobas? Hmmmm.... dunno.
As far as someone who feels they know the secret ingredient and thinks they can spin it for a profit... frankly... good luck. You wont pull business from avejuice as Ben, and his customers, will just call it a clone. People always buy the origional product. As far as the DIY community having access to the info we are a fraction of a percentage of a sub group of vapers. We wouldnt take business from ave by having even a 100% exact replica of Bobas.
Rikiel, you can certainly start a business if you like. However unless you have a ton of marketing skill you wont make money off a bobas clone. To come here saying you arent sure of you should release the info for fear of hurting your future income is rediculous....
Do you know how many people would stand in line to buy your juice if you developed the reputation as "the guy who cracked bobas and offered it freely"??? You would have hero status in the vaping community. Any business you started would have a ton of customers. Its the best marketing vehicle you could ever get, and no amount of advertising or marketing dollars can buy that!
If you keep it to yourself, and IF (BIG IF) it is accurate, you will be known as the guy that is selfish, a profiteer, and that is a horrible reputation to start with.
People buy from people they like. Not people who are selfish. You catch more flies with honey.... and the golen rule even applies to business. Think Im kidding? Go ahead. Find out. You can be a hero or a fool. Your choice.
Live simple. Give more. Expect less. If you even knew how much I know about internet business you would be shocked. Ive done it all and then some. My advice to you, if you want to guarantee success, be a hero.
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Man! I think that some of you that feel that nets are scary and like the sound of absolutes need to do your homework on how the "concrete" is formed and processed. Not meaning to start a fuss so I'll just leave it there.
I don't know who the "some of you" are, but Ben said it's not a NET, that's all I care about. It doesn't matter how scary the tobacco concrete/solid is, it's what comes after. It's the extraction process that matters, whether it's solvents, distillation, etc. We're not vaping the concrete. Maybe look up some more about what the end product is with NET vs. TA. I just found this, which explains it better than I'm going to try.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tobacco-absolute-net-redheaded-stepchild.html
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