My Boba's clone

[Dederer416]

Fizz as in carbonated fizz? I have gone through 180 mls of Boba and never noticed but then again never took it out of the green bottles except with a syringe to load a tank. Describe this fizz.

My neighbor makes a very bad wine that fizzes but that's probably because he doesn't rinse out his sterilizer thoroughly enough

I guess I wouldn't call it fizz, but more of a sediment. In the green 100ml bottle I do not see it, but it appears in my 30ml regular bottle. It appears as very fine bubbles or sediment at the top of the juice.. I've been trying like crazy to figure out why, because I've never had this happen with any of my juices.. Although, I never really looked at the banana nut bread, but will definitely check it out!

 

[savagemann]

I've noticed the "fizz" in all my bobas, as well as my 2 fresh bottles of GJ.
I get the fizz when I add Apple Cider Vinegar to my diy tobacco blends.
It looks kind of foamy at the top of the bottle.
Similar to the line of foam at the top of a beer glass after it is empty.

 

[savagemann]

I have been working on bobas clone the last several days.
I did 1 batch that had 1% tfa banana nut bread in it, and that batch had a little fizz after a hot water bath.

 

[Dederer416]

I'll tell you that the only other time I've seen this is when I have used diluted honey in my tobacco mixes. I know it sounds crazy, but it is excellent. I dilute a very small amount with pg. I would explain why the throat hit is so pronounced in low nic boba's.

 

[Dederer416]

what does the apple cider vinegar do? I've never used it.

 

[savagemann]

Steering away from the fizz for a moment, I took my fresh 100ml bottle of bobas to the mixing table lastnight.
There I decided to try and hone in on a few of the notes.
If I had to pick 3 notes and 1 tobacco, equaling 4 ingredients out of the flavors I have, I came up with.......all tfa flavors,

Honey Clover
Clear Graham Cracker
Raisin
Tobacco Absolute PG

I mixed those together today, and while it is going to need steep time, it is the closest I have gotten.
All of my other attempts have come out like. .........Gorilla Juice, GLV deadly sin and El Kamino.

 

[Dederer416]

Steering away from the fizz for a moment, I took my fresh 100ml bottle of bobas to the mixing table lastnight.
There I decided to try and hone in on a few of the notes.
If I had to pick 3 notes and 1 tobacco, equaling 4 ingredients out of the flavors I have, I came up with.......all tfa flavors,

Honey Clover
Clear Graham Cracker
Raisin
Tobacco Absolute PG

I mixed those together today, and while it is going to need steep time, it is the closest I have gotten.
All of my other attempts have come out like. .........Gorilla Juice, GLV deadly sin and El Kamino.

I taste a lot of raisin in boba's, and I think it's in there. After many attempts with tfa's raisin, I can't match the flavor. Have you ever tried Nature's Flavor's Raisin, or Rum Raisin. Those are my next flavors to try. That company has been around for 30 years, so it would be in the time frame for boba's.

 

[savagemann]

I taste a lot of raisin in boba's, and I think it's in there. After many attempts with tfa's raisin, I can't match the flavor. Have you ever tried Nature's Flavor's Raisin, or Rum Raisin. Those are my next flavors to try. That company has been around for 30 years, so it would be in the time frame for boba's.

Haven't tried em yet.
Sounds like I'll need to add em to my next order!

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[shlomsi]

I've noticed the "fizz" in all my bobas, as well as my 2 fresh bottles of GJ.
I get the fizz when I add Apple Cider Vinegar to my diy tobacco blends.
It looks kind of foamy at the top of the bottle.
Similar to the line of foam at the top of a beer glass after it is empty.

From TPA (about TOBACCO BLEND (PG)) :

This is the same formula as Tobacco Blend (above) but PG instead of Ethyl Alcohol

Note: The tobacco absolute will form a ring in the bottle, or sometimes some sediment.
This is normal and unavoidable.

 

[SloHand]

From TPA (about TOBACCO BLEND (PG)) :

This is the same formula as Tobacco Blend (above) but PG instead of Ethyl Alcohol

Note: The tobacco absolute will form a ring in the bottle, or sometimes some sediment.
This is normal and unavoidable.

My thought and observation as well with TA.

 

[savagemann]

Good to know!
But I have seen the fizz from using Acv and even Lemon Juice as well.
Keep in mind, I'm pretty green to diy.
But I did just spruce up a few juices with Lemon juice and acv that previously didn't have fizz or tob absolute in them, and afterwards noticed the fizz.
Is it an acid thing?

 

[savagemann]

I had a bunch of fruit blends that I added 2 drops per 10ml of LJ and some tobacco blends that 8 added 2 drops per 10ml of acv.

 

[Just Me]

I'm pretty new, so ignore me if you wish. But regarding fizz...

Immediate fizz is an acid and a base reacting, such as adding baking soda (base) to lemon juice or vinegar (acid). That type of fizz happens really quickly and settles down quickly. If you want to see it for yourself, add about a teaspoon of baking soda to a lemonade and watch the reaction. I doubt that's what is happening in your juice.

The fizz I think you are seeing in your juice is a product of fermentation. It is a slower process. Fermentation is essential for wines, sauerkraut and pickles, among other food items. I make my own pickles and sauerkraut, so I have seen those bubbles. I do know that type of fermentation results in deep, complex flavors in FOODS. Whether or not it is a good thing to inhale, I don't know!

 

[VIPOD]

I'm pretty new, so ignore me if you wish. But regarding fizz...

Immediate fizz is an acid and a base reacting, such as adding baking soda (base) to lemon juice or vinegar (acid). That type of fizz happens really quickly and settles down quickly. If you want to see it for yourself, add about a teaspoon of baking soda to a lemonade and watch the reaction. I doubt that's what is happening in your juice.

The fizz I think you are seeing in your juice is a product of fermentation. It is a slower process. Fermentation is essential for wines, sauerkraut and pickles, among other food items. I make my own pickles and sauerkraut, so I have seen those bubbles. I do know that type of fermentation results in deep, complex flavors in FOODS. Whether or not it is a good thing to inhale, I don't know!

Interesting, can we confirm that vinegar (Acetic Acid) is part of BB's? What other ingredient would have that reaction?

 

[NamVet68]

I'm pretty new, so ignore me if you wish. But regarding fizz...

Immediate fizz is an acid and a base reacting, such as adding baking soda (base) to lemon juice or vinegar (acid). That type of fizz happens really quickly and settles down quickly. If you want to see it for yourself, add about a teaspoon of baking soda to a lemonade and watch the reaction. I doubt that's what is happening in your juice.

The fizz I think you are seeing in your juice is a product of fermentation. It is a slower process. Fermentation is essential for wines, sauerkraut and pickles, among other food items. I make my own pickles and sauerkraut, so I have seen those bubbles. I do know that type of fermentation results in deep, complex flavors in FOODS. Whether or not it is a good thing to inhale, I don't know!

Spot on. I also believe that fermentation is a factor over time with most tobacco juices. I see the foaming on my unopened bottles of Boba's in my storage cabinet as well. There are many natural sugars and organic yeasts in tobacco. One of the stages of producing cigars & Pipe tobacco is stacking the leaves and wetting them down (and turning them over in piles regularly) to allow the natural fermentation process to occur. The amount of time & even the stacking process' are closely guarded secrets, and effect the flavor of the tobaccos dramatically.

On a related note; A couple of years ago I bought four 30ml bottles of Boba's from AV (they didn't offer the 100+ ml sizes back then) and put two of them in the refrigerator. After going through the first two, I pulled one of the others out, and the flavor was totally different than the one I had just finished, even though they were the same age. After it warmed back up, it seemed to have continued its steeping process and started tasting like the others again. I was trying to figure out why, but halting/slowing the fermentation process makes sense....but I can't remember if the foam started again or not....

 

[Dederer416]

Good observation everyone. I'm going to continue on and post any new questions or findings with all of my attempts. Like I said before, I have quite a bit of flavorings so if anyone has any ideas on a new mix, please let me know what your thinking. Thank's everyone!

 

[NamVet68]

Just a little plug for recipe #6 (the "Gorilla Juice" clone). I've always been a big fan of AVs Gorilla Juice, and just love the stuff. After steeping for a month or more, I think #6 is actually BETTER than AV's GJ....and I like it more than Boba's! It has become one of my regular vapes (I also add a few drops of FA Ripe Banana/10ml to the recipe because I like banana).

Not bad after a few days of steeping, but after a month, it becomes sublime.... I'm mixing 120ml at a time and hiding bottles away to let them age like fine wines.

 

[Just Me]

One of the stages of producing cigars & Pipe tobacco is stacking the leaves and wetting them down (and turning them over in piles regularly) to allow the natural fermentation process to occur. The amount of time & even the stacking process' are closely guarded secrets, and effect the flavor of the tobaccos dramatically.

Basically, this is a controlled compost pile. I forgot to mention I have one of those, too. So, "curing" or "aging" tobacco actually entails a type of fermentation process, then. Never occurred to me before, but it makes sense. Take it to a point, then stop the process so it won't rot. If anyone is old enough to know this, slaughtered beef used to be hung until it molded, then the mold was scraped off. Mold isn't just a surface condition; mold has "fingers" or roots that work deep within. All those long, slow processes resulted in more tender, more flavorful meat.

I'm beginning to see why I haven't liked any juice I've made so far. I'm so new to DIY and don't want to waste any products that I don't make a large enough quantitiy to set it aside long enough to work. I have made a couple that I just didn't like or couldn't taste and put them down, only to come back a week later to discover that they weren't bad at all. So, this steeping is beginning to make sense. Thanks! Good luck on BB!

 

[Just Me]

Interesting, can we confirm that vinegar (Acetic Acid) is part of BB's? What other ingredient would have that reaction?

As I have mentioned, I don't know what BB tastes like, as I've never had any. And I don't know that we can confirm ACV is in his mix. But if it foams or bubbles at some point, this discussion has led me to believe there is some type of organic matter or juice from organic matter (plant material, such as tobacco or coca leaves) in the mix, not just flavorings. I'm no chemist, but I have my doubts that artificial flavorings would ever go through any kind of fermentation or decomposition by themselves. They just lose strength over time. Fermentation happens with organic matter.

 

[Just Me]

Didn't Ben mention the friend he developed BB for liked to smoke a cigarette with his favorite drink? Coincidentally, there is a drink named Berlin Blonde (notice the two "B"s). Besides Cointreau and Dark Rum, this drink contains maraschino cherries (cherry and almond flavors there), heavy cream and cinnamon (cinnamon danish swirl?). Just my thoughts, might not even pertain to BB at all. Carry on!

http://completecocktails.com/Drinks/BerlinBlonde.aspx