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My Boba's clone
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First off I must say this thread has been a great read.I have never had Boba's Bounty but I have heard about it for years. I never bought it because by the time I started hearing about it I was doing my DIY juices and I didn't want to spend money on premade juices and I really didn't want to get hooked into buying juices again. But I want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread because I made a juice based on some of the different flavors that people taste when trying Bobas. After steeping it has become my all day vape and it hits the spot I have needed for a long time when I need a cigar.
If you like it you can call it what you want but I am going to call it GOODFELLAS
I had to use 50%pg because after all my other experiments the past few weeks I ran low on Vg.
GOODFELLAS
40 ml total
White vinegar =0.87%
(ecigexpress) Black and Mild Plus =5%
(Tpa) Cinnamon Spice =0.37 %
(Tpa) Toasted Almond =2%
(Flavor Art) Coconut =0.05%
(Flavor Art) Cherry = 0.5 %
(Tpa) Graham Cracker =1%
Scubabatdan tobacco =1%
(Tpa) Honey tobacco =1.75%
(TPA) Marshmellow =1%
This needs to steep for about 2 weeks for the flavors to mix and settle down.
Again I am sure it tastes nothing like Boba's but if it wasn't from this thread I wouldn't have even thought to add all these flavors together.So I really enjoy this and I thought I'd post it here so maybe someone else might enjoy it.If you need the recipe for the Scubabatdan tobacco let me know.
If you like it you can call it what you want but I am going to call it GOODFELLAS
I had to use 50%pg because after all my other experiments the past few weeks I ran low on Vg.
GOODFELLAS
40 ml total
White vinegar =0.87%
(ecigexpress) Black and Mild Plus =5%
(Tpa) Cinnamon Spice =0.37 %
(Tpa) Toasted Almond =2%
(Flavor Art) Coconut =0.05%
(Flavor Art) Cherry = 0.5 %
(Tpa) Graham Cracker =1%
Scubabatdan tobacco =1%
(Tpa) Honey tobacco =1.75%
(TPA) Marshmellow =1%
This needs to steep for about 2 weeks for the flavors to mix and settle down.
Again I am sure it tastes nothing like Boba's but if it wasn't from this thread I wouldn't have even thought to add all these flavors together.So I really enjoy this and I thought I'd post it here so maybe someone else might enjoy it.If you need the recipe for the Scubabatdan tobacco let me know.
This is from his original post along time ago and I copied.
ECF's Scubabatdan TOBACCO
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I have posted this many times, but I agree with markfm, a combination of seedmans, TA (Tobacco Absolute), and EM (Ethyl Maltol) is a great base. It allows to to add pretty much any other flavor to it. This is my tobbaco base concoction. Unfortunatly the seedmans darkens it up alittle, but it is fairly clear at 10%.
You will need the following:
Perfumers Apprentice - Cotton Candy (NOT Circus Style but regular ) 2 x 1oz total of (2 ounces)
TOB506 Commercial Cigarette 4 x 1/2oz total of (2 ounces)
Perfumers Apprentice - Tobacco Absolute (1. Pure) 1 x 2.5ml
Now, the cotton candy from perfumer apprentice is ethyl maltol suspended in PG @ 10%, warm the cotton candy and the 2.5ml of TA (tobacco absolute) in a sink of HOT water.
Get a 4oz bottle to add everything into, uncap the cotton candy and pour it all into the 4oz bottle, then uncap the TA, it will not be thick now as the hot bath has made it thinner. Use a pipette (note the TA will stain the pipette so use this pipette only for TA) and put .3ml of TA into the cotton candy (About 6 drops). Now cap the cotton candy and shake until it is mixed. Now add the seedmans concentrate to the cotton candy and shake until mixed.
The result is a approx 120ml of tobacco base that is very satisfying IMO @ 10%, and you can add hazelnut or peanut flavor to your mix to give it a nutty flavor. Add vanilla, black cherry, or caramel to give it those notes.
When adding menthol us it at 3% to the 7% tobacco base.
Well hope this helps.
Dan
If you copy this exact recipe you will have plenty of flavor for different recipes and it's good by itself.
Their are alot of smarter people than me in this forum, I would be no help to you. I think the #secret ingredient" Is Vanilla. Their are about 7 different types of vanilla, all that lend the flavors we talk about in this thread. Vanilla has a boat load of compounds in it that would make a juice (complex). Thats what I am working on.
Not to derail the goal here but I wanted to throw my two cents in.
These clones are good mixes. I recently received my Bobas and Gorilla Juice from AVE and I expected something fantastic, profound and my holy grail of juice.
What I tasted was something very similar to what I have been tasting for the past few weeks with the clone recipe I followed (see clone #7 recipe)
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My point is that a decent DIY recipe can make just as good a juice as the "pros". It really comes down to what you like.
Tasting the real thing has given me a great comfort in knowing that there is nothing magical about making good juice, it comes down to mixing flavors that you like.
That said, the only thing I would add to the clone #7 recipe for bobas is the addition of malt flavor. The aroma of malt sugar. I am a long time homebrewer and there is a note that is very similar to malt extract. Whether it is a component of the tobacco that AVE uses or it is a standalone ingredient, I'm not sure, though that really doesn't matter. Add it if you want it.
I'm just chiming in here because those that want to perfectly clone it should have fun doing so, but those that are worried about not getting the perfect match should not worry at all.
Chances are you made just as good a juice or better.
In the words of Papazian, "Relax, have a homebrew..." Relax, enjoy YOUR juice.
These clones are good mixes. I recently received my Bobas and Gorilla Juice from AVE and I expected something fantastic, profound and my holy grail of juice.
What I tasted was something very similar to what I have been tasting for the past few weeks with the clone recipe I followed (see clone #7 recipe)
...
My point is that a decent DIY recipe can make just as good a juice as the "pros". It really comes down to what you like.
Tasting the real thing has given me a great comfort in knowing that there is nothing magical about making good juice, it comes down to mixing flavors that you like.
That said, the only thing I would add to the clone #7 recipe for bobas is the addition of malt flavor. The aroma of malt sugar. I am a long time homebrewer and there is a note that is very similar to malt extract. Whether it is a component of the tobacco that AVE uses or it is a standalone ingredient, I'm not sure, though that really doesn't matter. Add it if you want it.
I'm just chiming in here because those that want to perfectly clone it should have fun doing so, but those that are worried about not getting the perfect match should not worry at all.
Chances are you made just as good a juice or better.
In the words of Papazian, "Relax, have a homebrew..." Relax, enjoy YOUR juice.
Can you clarify which flavor vendors you used in your recipe? Example "TFA" Smooth instead of just Smooth. That would help us all out.
Still haven't found that missing 'malt' taste. Like the meade idea though, problem is getting a good meade where I live isn't going to be easy.
The malt flavour probably comes from ginseng. We know there is a secret ingredient and that is my second guess at it. Red Korean Ginseng - add that to the conspiracy 
Very Interesting...I picked up a bottle of Bunratty Meade over the weekend and added about 8% to my favorite Gorilla juice clone, and the results are definitely worth further investigation. Even though it's a fresh batch, the results are an outstanding vape, though I think I'll scale the Bunratty back to about 5% to make it more balanced. I don't know if it will change as it steeps, but even after less than two days, its a very enjoyable vape.
One interesting observation; even without shaking the bottle - the telltale foam ring is there..... Hmmmm....
Anyway - if you like Gorilla Juice, this one works:
Scubabatdan's Tobacco base: 15%
Banana (MtBaker): 1% (TFA Ripe Banana works also if you like more Banana flavor)
French Pipe (VZ) 2%
Bunratty Irish Meade 8% (probably better at 5%)
Add to your favorite base (VG/PG).
If you use EJuicemeUp, here's the .rec file (I call it Scubabanana):
Simple File Sharing and Storage.
(substitute the Bunratty for the Distilled water if you thin your VG juices)
Definitively an interesting ingredient....
Enjoy
One interesting observation; even without shaking the bottle - the telltale foam ring is there..... Hmmmm....
Anyway - if you like Gorilla Juice, this one works:
Scubabatdan's Tobacco base: 15%
Banana (MtBaker): 1% (TFA Ripe Banana works also if you like more Banana flavor)
French Pipe (VZ) 2%
Bunratty Irish Meade 8% (probably better at 5%)
Add to your favorite base (VG/PG).
If you use EJuicemeUp, here's the .rec file (I call it Scubabanana):
Simple File Sharing and Storage.
(substitute the Bunratty for the Distilled water if you thin your VG juices)
Definitively an interesting ingredient....
Enjoy
Great reading!!!
Read all posts,plus some similar.
glad u guys are chasing unicorns although fuzion vapers probably killed the last one and are selling its blood as we speak(nice but too sweet for adv 4 me)KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!
LevitasONT GIVE UP!
Read all posts,plus some similar.
glad u guys are chasing unicorns although fuzion vapers probably killed the last one and are selling its blood as we speak(nice but too sweet for adv 4 me)KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!
Levitas
ONT GIVE UP!
I'll have to buy a bottle of that Bunratty to experiment with. Interesting that the flavor profile is dark honey, which is what people say they get on the inhale of Boba's. Also interesting that Ben said he made this juice for someone to enjoy their favorite drink. The one thing that doesn't add up here is when Ben stated theres no alcohol in Bobas. Who knows, I'm gonna give it a shot though.
I thought the statement was: Ben said he made this juice for someone to enjoy with their favorite drink
Sorry I haven't replied, I do shift work and with the holidays n all. I tried to reply 3x having a hard time with this. As I said...i'm going back to the basics and in a different direction to achieve a clone recipe of BB. None of which is the same as reading the original recipe obviously, but I hope to achieve an extremely close viable resolution. HISTORY AND WHY.... My Pepe Pere (Canadian grandfather) moved by Gettysburg, PA. and made all types of wine. I assisted in making all types of wines as a young boy. My grandpa (from West Virginia) did a type of netting with tobacco. Take a wheel barrel of tobacco from the field, wrap it in cheese cloth, soak and boil it in water. Remove the tobacco( feed the leaves to the hogs), boil down the tobacco water and paint the chicken coupe with it. Nicotine killed the parasite, lice on the chickens.(funny but true). He also made moonshine n beer on a small scale, I used to help. I lived by Lancaster, PA. The Amish community their basic staple of income is tobacco...I learned how to harvest, wrap, hang,and prepare tobacco for sale. Just a little background in why I want to go in this direction and try it.
I just recieved my order from ecig exp/LA/FA and in 2 weeks will mix 3 different types of juice using 3 different types of wine, MEADE IS MY MOST PROMISING. I will than tweak it and make a 2nd batch based on my evaluation of the first. I will make a final 3rd batch and see if using MEADE/or other wines is a viable resolution to expand on. I will post ingrediants and manufactures in this progresses. Each batch will be placed in a sonic mixer set at 5 minutes of agitation and 60 minutes of rest for 7 days. The batch will than sit for 7 days untouched, than tested. I will post my findings.
Thought Process..Air and bacteria is a killer in the fermintation process yet both are required to an extent for the process to begin. MEADE/WINE opened from the bottle, infused with air from my sonic process, will start the fermentation process. Fermenting will stop when their are no sugars to feed upon (it will feed on itself) or to much air kills the process turning the wine to vinager. I will be left with a dilute for VG, full body, and a changing flavor to each vape (hopefully mimicking the back honey, raisen, spice, flavor of BB).
The minute alcohol content is in my hopes to be eradicated by molecular vibration caused by the sonic and air infusion. NOTE: could be wrong here input is needed(Kind of like cooking with wine leaving a full flavor without the heat thus not killing the nicotine.) Later I will net my tobacco primary flavors and start this process over again.
It's easy...my grandpa also made moonshine n beer. Need flavor... wrap cinnamon, grain, pear, etc.in cheese cloth and let it hang in the mix. Remove the cheese clothe, strain it, cap it (kills the air), let it complete the fermination process. IF YOU SHAKE THE BARREL WHILE IT FERMENTS/STEEPS IT ALL TURNS TO VINAGER. Lets not make a mountain out of a molehill here. I'm utilizing the same process grandpa did using nice clean pre-packaged products on a much smaller scale to achieve the same goal with a vibratory/sonic mixer. It takes time to make good wine, beer, moonshine and ejuice. I believe BB takes 3 weeks from start to sell date...I also believe it hasn't stopped its sitting/steep process like in my process mentioned above when you get it to vape. I believe the bubbles is fermination, the vinager is nothing more than wine in the mix, wine flavor gives the body and spice background, and primary is 3 lush, golden netted tobaccos with a black honey base. The alcohol has evaporated. Note: wine turns to vinager and souring wine dependent upon base ingrediants tastes like raisins-this happens when you shake the barrel or stir your ejuice in the vibratory/sonic when fermentation is coming to an end.
Upon completion of my final mix (winner) I will be netting 'SAFFRON' spice in VG with 3 tobacco base flavors.
Sorry for the long post but hope this clarifies my endeavour. All help is needed please reply
I just recieved my order from ecig exp/LA/FA and in 2 weeks will mix 3 different types of juice using 3 different types of wine, MEADE IS MY MOST PROMISING. I will than tweak it and make a 2nd batch based on my evaluation of the first. I will make a final 3rd batch and see if using MEADE/or other wines is a viable resolution to expand on. I will post ingrediants and manufactures in this progresses. Each batch will be placed in a sonic mixer set at 5 minutes of agitation and 60 minutes of rest for 7 days. The batch will than sit for 7 days untouched, than tested. I will post my findings.
Thought Process..Air and bacteria is a killer in the fermintation process yet both are required to an extent for the process to begin. MEADE/WINE opened from the bottle, infused with air from my sonic process, will start the fermentation process. Fermenting will stop when their are no sugars to feed upon (it will feed on itself) or to much air kills the process turning the wine to vinager. I will be left with a dilute for VG, full body, and a changing flavor to each vape (hopefully mimicking the back honey, raisen, spice, flavor of BB).
The minute alcohol content is in my hopes to be eradicated by molecular vibration caused by the sonic and air infusion. NOTE: could be wrong here input is needed(Kind of like cooking with wine leaving a full flavor without the heat thus not killing the nicotine.) Later I will net my tobacco primary flavors and start this process over again.
It's easy...my grandpa also made moonshine n beer. Need flavor... wrap cinnamon, grain, pear, etc.in cheese cloth and let it hang in the mix. Remove the cheese clothe, strain it, cap it (kills the air), let it complete the fermination process. IF YOU SHAKE THE BARREL WHILE IT FERMENTS/STEEPS IT ALL TURNS TO VINAGER. Lets not make a mountain out of a molehill here. I'm utilizing the same process grandpa did using nice clean pre-packaged products on a much smaller scale to achieve the same goal with a vibratory/sonic mixer. It takes time to make good wine, beer, moonshine and ejuice. I believe BB takes 3 weeks from start to sell date...I also believe it hasn't stopped its sitting/steep process like in my process mentioned above when you get it to vape. I believe the bubbles is fermination, the vinager is nothing more than wine in the mix, wine flavor gives the body and spice background, and primary is 3 lush, golden netted tobaccos with a black honey base. The alcohol has evaporated. Note: wine turns to vinager and souring wine dependent upon base ingrediants tastes like raisins-this happens when you shake the barrel or stir your ejuice in the vibratory/sonic when fermentation is coming to an end.
Upon completion of my final mix (winner) I will be netting 'SAFFRON' spice in VG with 3 tobacco base flavors.
Sorry for the long post but hope this clarifies my endeavour. All help is needed please reply
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Thanks for keeping us posted. That sounds like a wonderfully tasty vape once its all said and done Tinn. Let me see if I understand what you're doing, and please correct me if I'm wrong. You're going to add your meade to VG and put it through the USC, thus starting the fermentation process. It will then sit a week. Then you're going to use this meade-VG to extract tobacco? Or are you going to extract tobacco on the side and then simply add the filtered tobacco extract to the meade-VG?
I tried to mix slohand's recipe #7 today , it tasted hotrrible because i used the concentrated lorann almond oil (dram bottle) , as it was not stated to use the lorann natural almond .
Does anyone know how much should i dilute this to be equal to the lorann's natural line almond oil.
It is really potent and i already sacrificed 30 ml of juice and good flavors on my 1st failure attempt,
Soi hope someone can help me with diluting this stuff to get the recipe right
Does anyone know how much should i dilute this to be equal to the lorann's natural line almond oil.
It is really potent and i already sacrificed 30 ml of juice and good flavors on my 1st failure attempt,
Soi hope someone can help me with diluting this stuff to get the recipe right
I also found this on lorann website
"A little goes a long way!
LorAnns super strength flavors (also known as candy oils or flavoring oils) are three to four times the strength of water or alcohol-based flavorings or extracts."
This was wriiten in the description of the dram size almond oil.
Should this give any idea how to dilute it or they are totally different flavors, because the one i got tastes more like cherry, really nasty cherry flavor.
"A little goes a long way!
LorAnns super strength flavors (also known as candy oils or flavoring oils) are three to four times the strength of water or alcohol-based flavorings or extracts."
This was wriiten in the description of the dram size almond oil.
Should this give any idea how to dilute it or they are totally different flavors, because the one i got tastes more like cherry, really nasty cherry flavor.
And now i find this in the description of the lorann's natural almond oil
"Natual Almond Flavor. Adds a punch of real almond flavor!
Please keep in mind that these flavors, while concentrated, are only about half as strong as our traditional super strength candy oils or natural essential oils. Natural flavor in a base of propylene glycol, glycerin, ethyl alcohol and water."
Does that mean that if i dilited the superconc. Almond i got in 50/50 Pg they will be similar?
Im really confused now
This is the link for the almond oil i got:
http://shop.lorannoils.com/templates/product.aspx?ProductGuid=0530-0100&GroupGuid=101
And this is the one i should have purchased : http://shop.lorannoils.com/templates/product.aspx?ProductGuid=3500-0500&GroupGuid=9
Any help would be appreciated as i cant buy the natural almond any time soon as im in Egypt and i got these flavors with a friend .
Thanks in advance
"Natual Almond Flavor. Adds a punch of real almond flavor!
Please keep in mind that these flavors, while concentrated, are only about half as strong as our traditional super strength candy oils or natural essential oils. Natural flavor in a base of propylene glycol, glycerin, ethyl alcohol and water."
Does that mean that if i dilited the superconc. Almond i got in 50/50 Pg they will be similar?
Im really confused now
This is the link for the almond oil i got:
http://shop.lorannoils.com/templates/product.aspx?ProductGuid=0530-0100&GroupGuid=101
And this is the one i should have purchased : http://shop.lorannoils.com/templates/product.aspx?ProductGuid=3500-0500&GroupGuid=9
Any help would be appreciated as i cant buy the natural almond any time soon as im in Egypt and i got these flavors with a friend .
Thanks in advance
And now i find this in the description of the lorann's natural almond oil
"Natual Almond Flavor. Adds a punch of real almond flavor!
Please keep in mind that these flavors, while concentrated, are only about half as strong as our traditional super strength candy oils or natural essential oils. Natural flavor in a base of propylene glycol, glycerin, ethyl alcohol and water."
Does that mean that if i dilited the superconc. Almond i got in 50/50 Pg they will be similar?
Im really confused now
This is the link for the almond oil i got:
http://shop.lorannoils.com/templates/product.aspx?ProductGuid=0530-0100&GroupGuid=101
And this is the one i should have purchased : http://shop.lorannoils.com/templates/product.aspx?ProductGuid=3500-0500&GroupGuid=9
Any help would be appreciated as i cant buy the natural almond any time soon as im in Egypt and i got these flavors with a friend .
Thanks in advance
It's sounds as though reducing it by equal amount of PG will get you at the correct strength. It will be a judgement call though, as only you can decide.
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