My concerns about vaping

[catmman]

@Gussers

I had a whole post typed out to respond to your comment, but Rosa is right, this has been covered before.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[whitesoul8]

Excellent post, thank you!

 

[SDsucker]

My doctor told me to get rid of all my pets because of germs.... yet praised me for switching to e cigs. sais it all really

 

[mj64]

I've seen this a few times. Why someone would pick up a smoking habit as an adult baffles me. If you want to do something cool, why not learn to fly a plane or skydive? After all the heartache I've encountered due to smoking, my biggest wish is I could go back to that day when I was 15 and tried my first cigarette and just tell my friends to &*^%^#@ get lost.

I mean, if you have a nicotine addiction, the risk is much lower for vaping than smoking. However, there is some risk, right? The only way to eliminate the risk is to not start in the first place. Even quitting isn't a sure bet as you've done whatever damage you've done. Sure, your lungs will repair themselves, but I can't believe they'll go back to the way they were after 20 years of abusing them.

It's tough, but adults have the freedom to make bad choices too. I've always felt the same way about people that smoked 'socially'. Imagine, to go a week without a cigarette effortlessly and then decide to have just one while you are having a beer or something.

 

[enfurno]

I am a cigarette smoker of 30+ years and have found it hard to quit. You know you’re hooked when your digging through the trash at 2am looking for puff-able buts because all the stores around you are closed. LOL.
So, I just bought some 510’s and hope to switch to vaping within a week. But I still have concerns which I thought I’d post here.

My concerns:

1. You are inhaling copious amounts of water into your lungs for long periods of time. I would think this would lead to more respiratory infections, possibly even pneumonia. Bacteria, virus, and parasites love warm moist environments. Even if you can’t get a “bug” from vaping I would think keeping your lungs moist would entice the bugs that are already there (We are surrounded by a sea of biota.) If you are a long time vaper, do you notice more colds/coughs or doctor required lung infections? Bronchitis? Pneumonia?

2. My father used a large atomizer to ingest medicine when he had emphysema (He died of cigarette smoking). The cleaning ritual for the equipment was very lengthy and involved. My father said it didn’t help much and rarely used it because of all the hassle. I notice there are absolutely no cleaning/sterilizing routines for E-cigs. Can an E-cig be that germ free with all the liquids and handling it receives?

3. It kind of freaks me out that people buy liquids from non-regulated companies and individuals (other hobbyist) and then vaporize and inhale that liquid. You are literally buying drugs off the street and then consuming them in the most intimate way possible. You are risking your ability to breath and your general health to complete strangers out to make a buck. It sounds pretty dangerous. Doesn’t this bother you at all?

4. There is no way to determine exactly how much nicotine, if any, someone put in a cartridge. How do you know it’s not a nicotine analog such as imidacloprid? There could be anything in it…Or, nothing at all. Is there some kind of test we can do on e-liquid to find out nicotine amounts? You can test co-cane (sp.) in the field, why not nicotine?

5. I have to agree that vaping seems to have face validity. That is, it sounds like a reasonable argument that it would be safer and healthier than nasty tobacco cigarettes, which I currently smoke. If it is valid, then shouldn’t there be a small but growing doctor recommendation for e-cigs for people who smoke? I have seen a few doctors come out in favor of them. But I wonder if there are larger groups/organizations of doctors that recommend for smokers to switch to vaping? Anyone know of such a group?

[FONT="][/FONT]Any replies are appreciated

Your lungs are constantly in a moistened state. This is why coughs and colds are so very contagious amongst humans. Your first statement should not be a worry at all. As for the rest, find good vendors and stay far away from the chinese crap..

 

[dodaay]

if you are that concerned then don't do it. I tried cold turkey and no one in the public was safe. my doctor didn't encourage it or discourage it

I got the same from my doc. vaping is definitely a way to save money and quit at your own speed. plus you still get the satisfaction of doing the act of

 

[carltech2000]

My 510 took 1 week to get me off the cigs (15 years smoking camel reds). My lungs have never felt better. I have super smell and super taste back after two weeks smoke free.

 

[OMG!]

I've had concerns and still do. There are a lot of changes your body goes through while transitioning from cigs to vaping. No one knows what the consequences will be 20 years out...

My personal evaluation, only a few weeks into this journey, is that it's 1000X better for me than smoking. If nothing else it's freed me from arranging my whole life around smoking. That in itself is like a million pounds lifted off my shoulders.

Yes, I'm still an addict... just a healthier addict.

 

[swedishfish]

Check this thread I posted. Since you do smoke...it's a no-brainer if you're looking for an alternative to quitting cold-turkey, patches, gums, drugs, etc. I make some valid points to support this ascertion.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/154521-still-fence.html#post2516343

That was a fabulous post! I printed that!

 

[swedishfish]

I've had concerns and still do. There are a lot of changes your body goes through while transitioning from cigs to vaping. No one knows what the consequences will be 20 years out...

My personal evaluation, only a few weeks into this journey, is that it's 1000X better for me than smoking. If nothing else it's freed me from arranging my whole life around smoking. That in itself is like a million pounds lifted off my shoulders.

Yes, I'm still an addict... just a healthier addict.

Oh God, ditto times 1,000! It does feel like a million pounds lifted off my shoulders. Plus the embarassment of it all.

I walked in the gym once (after spraying a ton of Febreze all over myself) and somone said "Ew, I smell cigarettes." I was mortified. ......, but still mortified.

 

[Rosa]

I walked in the gym once (after spraying a ton of Febreze all over myself) and somone said "Ew, I smell cigarettes." I was mortified. ......, but still mortified.

What I hated was that I had to walk half a block away from my workplace to smoke away from any entrances to any buildings or human life of any kind and then someone would stand twenty feet away from me at the cross-walk glaring and fake-coughing over their shoulder at me.

And they say smokers are ill-tempered people, I wonder why???!?

 

[swedishfish]

That fake coughing- I felt like grabbing them by the lips.

 

[Rosa]

That fake coughing- I felt like grabbing them by the lips.

well.... I wanted to grab something....

 

[ScottinSoCal]

What I love is the fake coughing now, then the look of total confusion as the lack of cigarette smell hits them. LOL.

 

[mlinky]

That fake coughing- I felt like grabbing them by the lips.

OMG, me too. I actually came really close to grabbing some prissy ....* that outweighed me by a good 100 pounds and taking her down.

 

[CarolT]

Your lungs are already a warm, moist environment, so don't fret about the e-cigs.

Anti-smokers deliberately commit scientific fraud to falsely blame smoking for diseases that are really caused by infection. Look at these quacks: "Our finding of increased CD4(+)CD28(null) T cells in COPD indicates that chronic antigen exposure, e.g. through contents of smoke, leads to loss of CD28 and up-regulation of NK cell receptors expression on T cells in susceptible patients." (T cell senescence and contraction of T cell repertoire diversity in patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. C Lambers et al. Clin Exp Immunol 2009 Mar;155(3):466-475.)

T cell senescence and contraction of T cell repertoire diversity in patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease

They're quacks for blaming smoking, because CD4(+)CD28(-) T cells are the smoking gun of cytomegalovirus infection! "In this study, we show that in primary CMV infections, CD4(+)CD28(-) T cells emerge just after cessation of the viral load, indicating that infection with CMV triggers the formation of CD4(+)CD28(-) T cells. In line with this, we found these cells only in CMV-infected persons. CD4(+)CD28(-) cells had an Ag-primed phenotype and expressed the cytolytic molecules granzyme B and perforin. Importantly, CD4(+)CD28(-) cells were to a large extent CMV-specific because proliferation was only induced by CMV-Ag, but not by recall Ags such as purified protein derivative or tetanus toxoid. CD4(+)CD28(-) cells only produced IFN-gamma after stimulation with CMV-Ag, whereas CD4(+)CD28(+) cells also produced IFN-gamma in response to varicella-zoster virus and purified protein derivative. Thus, CD4(+)CD28(-) T cells emerge as a consequence of CMV infection." (Emergence of a CD4+CD28- granzyme B+, cytomegalovirus-specific T cell subset after recovery of primary cytomegalovirus infection. EM van Leeuwen et al. J Immunol 2004 Aug 1;173(3):1834-1841.)

Emergence of a CD4+CD28– Granzyme B+, Cytomegalovirus-Specific T Cell Subset after Recovery of Primary Cytomegalovirus Infection

They commit the same type of fraud with every disease they blame on smoking, including heart disease.

http://www.smokershistory.com/SGHDlies.html

 

[keelalagirl55]

Well, I found only a few points that I can address that have not yet been addressed or at least not with my first thought....going backwards

3. I watched a bunch of You-tube videos about e-cigs. Seeing someone take a big hit and then exclaiming how good it was reminded me very much of drug users getting a dose. It was as if they were having a little too much fun. LOL. I have to wonder from a psychological point of view if "behavioral addiction" can really be that intense. I mean, many of them weren't even using nicotine. There was no physical addiction involved. That's kinda freaky. Or, could it be that a really intense aroma/taste can overload receptors and actually cause the brain to emit enough endorphins to get high, even just a little? Fascinating if true! That would be a good study!

There are all kinds of studies supporting what you would call a "behavioral addiction"...exercise can be an addiction and release endorphins, eating for others can release endorphins....basically anything that you REALLY enjoy....

The other thing I wanted to comment on was from the opening post about the unregulated liquid.....The meat industry is FDA regulated and how much (especially recently) has been found to contain ecoli.....also tobacco companies are FDA regulated and look at all the REALLY BAD stuff they put in traditional cigs!!! Totally unnatural ingredients MANY of which are proven poisons! And now they have to add yet ANOTHER chemical that makes the cigs extinguish if not almost continuously puffed on...I typically find that I trust the average person over ANY government regulatory agency!!! Oh and let's not forget the highly regulated Pharma!!! How many drugs, yet again FDA approved, have been pulled off the market because of the highly negative effects all the way up to DEATH they have inflicted on the very people they say they are trying to keep safe and healthy! I am about to the point that I will trust anything NOT FDA approved (not really, but it's gettin there).

 

[egor3e]

Better in general to smoke nothing... But if to smoke that electronic cigarettes

 

[slappy]

I am about to the point that I will trust anything NOT FDA approved (not really, but it's gettin there).

Second that, excluding the "not really" part.

I think it's presumptuous for the FDA to take on the role of "what we say is good". Granted in the past the FDA has done a lot of good. But now they are nothing but lobbyist money grubbers. IMO

Bottom line, Analogs, very, very, very bad for you. Vape, 1000x's better. Quit if you can otherwise VAPE ON!