My Experience With Electronic Devices

[ShaneBlack]

My first couple of months were not so great, sure they stated out fine for the first month. But after that things progressed the second month brought great problems. For me I quite smoking cold turkey, I think It would have been better to slowly stop smoking while gradually increase vaping. Alot of people say it is safer and will yield less side effects then just quiting suddenly.

1. Bad headaches --Too much nicotine
2. Depression -- withdraw from cigarettes
3. Insomnia --- vaping high strength liquids before bed
4. Highly addicted to nicotine -- getting carried away on 36mg strengths
5. Heart problems --- Too much Nicotine
6. Bad mouth sores associated to warm vapor. ---- Warm vapor maybe but also Dehydration causes this.
7. Extreme Tiredness --- Nicotine Poisoning
8. Loss of Smell ---- allergies maybe to blame not vaping
9 Loss of Taste --- Vapors tongue
10. Spending alot of money on parts. ---- People new to vaping will spend money finding what they like
11. Parts failing. ------ It happens, some thing are made cheap
12. Heartburn --- Dehydration
13. Spending alot of money on E-liquid --- It can happen if you get carried away.
14. Addicting Flavors ----- We all love certain flavors, if this does happen get a lower does so you can vape more of it and not get too much nicotine.

I quite vaping and went back to cigarettes. After two days I tried vaping again since a company sent me some replacement atomizers for my ego battery. Now I can tell the difference because it was harsh, I was vaping 24mg and vaping it like crazy. I was vaping too much. These liquids are highly concentrated nicotine. I got carried away. I still vape and it helps cut down on smoking so I do still like it but now I'm very careful about how much I use.

-----------UPDATE------------
These side effects were due to getting to carried away with high strength e-liquid, withdraws from quiting smoking, and Dehydration. I urge new people vaping to please treat vaping carefully and take care of yourself by drinking fluids and taking breaks in between vaping. I still love to vape and do so with more moderation. Nicotine can poison you if not used with care. From the many people who have gave advise I know now that I did make mistakes and that is why all of these side effects happened. If you are interested in vaping please give it a try and just remember to play it safe when selecting nicotine strengths, and also how much you vape. Thank you.

 

[Butters78]

 

[crxess]

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you blindly take advice without careful consideration.
I constantly see people giving bad advice Here and elsewhere.
Study and research are the proper way to make choices, not listening to individuals as to what THEY prefer.
Did you study WTA additives? Some people are actually addicted to things in cigarettes besides Nicotine. No one answer fits all.

I truly hope you find your way, whether it is Vaping, Hypnosis, cold turkey............anything that works for YOU to keep you away from smoking.

Best of luck!

 

[yzer]

Sorry to hear that you relapsed to smoking. It is possible to get too much nicotine from vaping just as it is possible to get too much nicotine from smoking.

You don't say how much e-liquid you vaped per day. The nicotine strength alone is only part of the story.
I smoked 1.5 packs a day of Camel Blue 99s (Lights) for 35 years, I started with 24mg juice and did fine but I didn't vape more than 2 ml per day. Most people like me find that 18-24 ml is good to start with. I vaped about as often as I smoked each day but spent about twice the time doing it. I cut down to 18ml juice last fall, again with a daily use of about 2 ml. Ill be cutting the nicotine some more in a few weeks while maintaining 2 ml per day.

Given your list of symptoms I would suggest seeing a doctor soon, regardless of your plans to vape or smoke. Take care.

 

[ShaneBlack]

Thanks guys for your help. I think the worst was the mouth sores and tiredness plus insomnia. The day I relapsed that night I went to bed early and slept fine. The next day my mouth sores were gone. For the first month I thought the sores would go away but they didn't and kept coming back, sometimes they were pretty bad. But this could be from warm vapor, when I vaped cooler vapor I didn't get any sores. I was up to 5ml a day on liquid. With this relapse its made me look at how I got carried away, wanting to see plums of vapor when real cigarettes don't even produce much smoke. On youtube its all about plumes of vapor, which made me take bigger draws, which made me over nicotine often. Which doing so on a daily basis for two months straight caused all these side effects. I'm still vaping, I'm not done yet. But this time I'm going to be smarter. And I will take your advise and research WTA and ask a doctor next time I go for a checkup.

 

[yzer]

I believe that there are addictive and psychoactive compounds in cigarette smoke beside nicotine. I cut down smoking gradually until I was down to three to six cigarettes per day. I vaped during the cut down period to replace smoking. Still, I was very uncomfortable when I stopped smoking entirely and relying completely on vaping. I didn't use WTA juice, just nicotine. I toughed it out. The worst of those withdrawal symptoms were over after three days.

 

[zapped]

Sounds to me as if you are grasping at any straw you can find to go back to analogs. Either that or youre trying to post blatantly untrue and misleading information for the other side.

In 4 years posting here Ive never once heard of someone losing their sense of taste or smell to electronic cigarettes....quite the opposite in fact.

I'd suggest visiting a doctor or psychologist and seeing if you have an untreated underlying condition before blaming something thats been a godsend for many of us.

 

[ScottP]

First off, let me say that for most people the best thing to do which switching to vaping is to first pay attention to when they smoke, how often they smoke, and how much time on average it takes you to smoke 1 cigarette. Then when you start vaping, STICK TO YOUR NORMAL SMOKE SCHEDULE and only vape per session for the amount of time it would take you to smoke 1 cigarette. If you switch to vaping and do it 1000000000000 times more than you smoked then sure you might have some problems.

Then again if you try to quit drinking soft drinks by shoving a water hose down your throat on full blast, you will encounter problems as well. It's not the water's fault, nor the hoses fault, it is the user's fault.

As to your specifically mentioned "dangers", please see my responses in blue

1. Bad headaches
2. Depression
3. Insomnia
5. Heart problems
7. Extreme Tiredness
8. Loss of Smell
9 Loss of Taste
12. Heartburn

ALL of the above are associated with quitting smoking PERIOD...regardless of the method you use. Vaping probably did not cause this, more than likely the lack of the 4000 chemicals in regular smoke caused this.

4. Highly addicted to nicotine - You were a already smoker thus by definition already addicted to nicotine and yet you blame vapor for hooking you on nicotine? Really?!?!

6. Bad mouth sores associated to warm vapor. - Associated by whom? Did a doctor tell you this was the cause or did you just "decide" on your own it was.
Also, what kind of sores? Bleeding gums is also a side effect of quitting smoking regardless of the method used. Using mouthwash at night just before bed helps.

That leaves us with the points below. Now I will say that yes vaping does have some cost to it, but if it is costing you more than smoking, then you probably have a spending problem. My wife and I have spent exactly $306.77 on vaping since January (hardware AND juice). In that time we would have spent just over $1000 on cigarettes if we were still smoking. So once again this is not an issue with vaping but an issue of self control.

10. Spending alot of money on parts.
11. Parts failing.
13. Spending alot of money on E-liquid
14. Addicting Flavors

Bottom line: really nothing in your post is a "Danger of Electronic Devices" but is more the results of quitting smoking for someone that cannot control their spending, or their consumption of something they enjoy.

 

[Horselady154]

Wow.

No comment.

Just wow.

 

[MurphysMuse]

I'm no doctor, but from all I have read, that sounds a lot more like the symptoms of hypervapeing, not enough water, and too high nic content.

Short and sweet. Nic poisoning.

And yes, that can indeed happen with analogs too.

 

[Clearo-Mizer]

Sounds to me as if you are grasping at any straw you can find to go back to analogs. Either that or youre trying to post blatantly untrue and misleading information for the other side.

In 4 years posting here Ive never once heard of someone losing their sense of taste or smell to electronic cigarettes....quite the opposite in fact.

I'd suggest visiting a doctor or psychologist and seeing if you have an untreated underlying condition before blaming something thats been a godsend for many of us.

Zapped...I was also thinking this was a "subject plant" now if a search on the net is done people will find this...hopefully they will read the whole thred.

 

[gthompson]

Someone suggested recently in another thread that many of these types of threads are created by ANTZ so that search engines will find them on ECF. I wonder.......

 

[mare ze dotes]

Someone suggested recently in another thread that many of these types of threads are created by ANTZ so that search engines will find them on ECF. I wonder.......

You got me wondering too now. Maybe I am nieve but I wonder why would someone put so much energy into something that is easy enough to ignore? I have not even met another vaper that I am aware of. I dont see it as a problem to society.

 

[gal66stang]

My first couple of months were not so great, sure they stated out fine for the first month. But after that things progressed the second month brought great problems.

1. Bad headaches
2. Depression
3. Insomnia
4. Highly addicted to nicotine
5. Heart problems
6. Bad mouth sores associated to warm vapor.
7. Extreme Tiredness
8. Loss of Smell
9 Loss of Taste
10. Spending alot of money on parts.
11. Parts failing.
12. Heartburn
13. Spending alot of money on E-liquid
14. Addicting Flavors

Know you may give the advise of, well you didn't use your stuff right. But the truth is that I did exactly what everyone else said. Followed instructions on parts, treat them with care. When I wasn't getting satisfied with vaping people told me to up my nicotine strength so I did. I'm not saying vaping is bad because I really think its a great alternative to cigarettes. I maybe a rare case were vaping isn't enough for me and I experience more side effects then others. If it works for you then I say stick with it. I quite vaping and went back to cigarettes. After two days I tried vaping again since a company sent me some replacement atomizers for my ego battery. Now I can tell the difference because it seems too harsh, I was vaping 24mg and vaping it like crazy. I may have been vaping too much. These liquids are highly concentrated nicotine. I urge everyone to play it safe and not get carried away. I still vape and it helps cut down on smoking so I do still like it but now I'm very careful about how much I use.

Shane, I am sorry that you had a bad experience. When I first started vaping I caught myself chain vaping and staying up late...then I realized this was a "self-moderation" thing.

I am not sure if this is a timely plant or what - but I think that the greatest thing (for now anyhow) is that we all have a choice when it comes to vaping. We make a choice as to the MG of nicotine, the delivery system, the ability to DIY and or better control the chemicals we choose to put in our bodies. When I make a bad choice with respect to staying up late and chain vaping, I get headaches and have trouble sleeping. For me, personally, 24 MG was a good transition from a pack and a half a day smoking to vaping. I carefully considered ALL of what I had read in my research - weighted individual opinions in posts and information - and tried to find what I thought would work for me. Again - ALL choices I made with respect to what I was going to put in my body, how much I would put there and how often I would vape...

I know for a fact I was addicted to nic LONG before I started vaping. Vaping has absolutely improved my quality of life and has had health BENEFITS thus far. I think this is the same for many people on ECF and those that I know who vape and aren't members of the forum.

Again I am sorry that you had these experiences - I would suggest though that you carefully consider your options with respect to smoking/vaping or what ever. Accept that it is your choice to do any of the things and that if you are going to vape more than your body is telling you that you should, adjust something in the mix. I also hope that we ALL continue to have the number of CHOICES that we do now with respect to juice, delivery systems, etc. I think the one commonality for everyone here who once smoked - we all struggled with the task of quitting smoking. I think, based on what I have read, most everyone is thankful that vaping is an alternative and that it provides so many options for personal preferences and needs.

I think it is unfortunate that you chose the title that you did and that your insinuation is rather inflamatory toward vaping, while you and your experience is one and there are thousands (if not more) that have had absolutely positive results and health benefits. And while you seem to maybe acknowledge that there was potentially some poor choices made on your part with respect to amount and nic content, your post still seems to blame vaping.

In my opinion, its pretty important to understand when we post on this site that many people may come here looking for help. It is important that we clearly communicate what is our opinion and what is based on some sort of evidence based fact/research. Anything less is, well, irresponsible. (in my opinion).

Good luck to you!

 

[J.R. Bob Dobbs]

Yeah good post...except for the part where most of the symptoms you list are actually associated with withdrawal and not vaping. You are getting your self off the other 3,996 toxic chemicals in cigarettes(most of which are addictive) and picking the 4 that are far safer.

vaping is a "Safer alternative" that is all it is. if you choose to use it to quit by reducing nicotine over time, as many have done, that is your decision.

 

[Orobas]

Someone suggested recently in another thread that many of these types of threads are created by ANTZ so that search engines will find them on ECF. I wonder.......

You know, I have been wondering the same thing, since we have a sudden influx of newfriends all starting threads like "I STUBBED MY TOE, IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF VAPING!!!!"

 

[KeithB]

My first couple of months were not so great, sure they stated out fine for the first month. But after that things progressed the second month brought great problems.

1. Bad headaches
3. Insomnia
7. Extreme Tiredness
9 Loss of Taste
12. Heartburn

These are all things that could simply be too much nicotine. Some of them, like the heartburn, might be helped by drinking more water. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the fatigue is linked to the insomnia. Nicotine is a stimulant, like caffine, so either cutting your nic or not vaping close to bed time might help with that.

2. Depression
5. Heart problems

Things that you may want to talk to a doctor about. The heart problems may be related to too much nicotine but I wouldn't rely on an internet forum for advice here. The depression may be linked to quitting smoking as the tobacco contains some compounds that may act as MAOIs. There is nothing wrong with seeing a professional about this but if you insist on self medicating, you may want to look into some WTA juice (Whole Tobacco Alkaloids). These do contain some of those compounds that seem to help some of the people that just can't seem to make the switch.

6. Bad mouth sores associated to warm vapor.

This may be just a result of quitting smoking. A lot of new vapers seem to go through this. It may be something in your juice,possibly a flavor or the PG or VG. Maybe you need to drink more water.

8. Loss of Smell

I'm at a loss here. Could be the same as for #6. Most seem to notice a greatly improved sense of smell. It is allergy season. Could that be a contributing factor?

10. Spending alot of money on parts.
11. Parts failing.
13. Spending alot of money on E-liquid

Sadly, this is part of the game. It can be expensive in finding what you like but once you do the cost should go down. I've learned not to buy the hot new product that everyone is raving about. Once it's been out for a little while the flaws and tweaks for those flaws start to get discussed and I can make a more informed decision about whether or not to take a chance. Some equipment is built better than others and some things require a learning curve to find out how to use them to their best performance and get them to last longer. Some things are just plain a waste of money. Getting into DIY liquids can drastically cut your costs. Some juice vendors are much cheaper than others and buying in bulk will help too. Rebuildable atomizer can be cheaper in the long run.

14. Addicting Flavors

Not sure I see the problem here so I have nothing to contribute.

4. Highly addicted to nicotine

Maybe yes, maybe no. Some say nicotine is about as bad for you as caffeine and about as addictive. Certainly, Big Tobacco adds lots of things to make cigarettes more addictive. I am on of those vapers that doesn't really have a plan to quit nicotine. I'm happy to have quit the ammonia, formaldehyde, urea, tar and everything else contained in the smoke of burning, processed tobacco. If you do want to eliminate nicotine from your life, there are plenty of people here on ECF who would be happy to support you in that and offer helpful advice.

 

[Whosback]

You know, I have been wondering the same thing, since we have a sudden influx of newfriends all starting threads like "I STUBBED MY TOE, IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF VAPING!!!!"

Well I'm having problem with my water heater . I think the the vapor in my home must have damaged the pipes.

 

[Ravensfan]

I think lowering your nicotine would have helped immensely. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I actually think many people vape at a nicotine strength that is too high. I started on 24mg, I got a lung infection after two weeks. After recovering from that I dropped to 18 and then 12mg in the matter of a week. I think the higher strengths are fine in a cigalike, where you really aren't pulling as much vapor, but when you get into mods, I think it could be too much. I don't believe the nicotine addiction with cigarettes is nearly as strong as the physical hand to mouth and smoking sensation. Your body is over the nicotine in about 2-3 days. A cigarette only contains about 1mg of nicotine and most of that is burnt off.

 

[LeAnn]

Your symptons sounds like what I had when I was smoking analogs, not vaping. You have to give it a month or so before you stop craving all those chemicals in cigarettes, also you need to drink lots of water to hydrate your system. So sorry you had a bad experience, wish you would try it again!