My Fear and questions.

[MsSki]

I am pretty new to the vaping, Like most i wanted something to help kick the cig habit, I FOUND it with my 510!!!!! My fear is this , Im afraid that the Goverment is going to take my 510 and the juices away, the one thing that has helped me kick the anologs.

JMO i feel that the only reason the Goverment is acting concerned is because of all the money and Taxes they are not collecting from each and everyone of us that kick the habit and turn to ecigs.

So now my questions are

1. Is anyone stock piling juices and batts and cart and atty's?

2. Can some one tell me if i have 5ml bottle of juice what is that equl as far as packs of smokes? How much does the large 30 ml equl in packs or carton?

3.What is the self life for juice?

Thanks for any advice in advance, im ready to start stock piling!!!!

Tara

 

[mwahle1]

I have already stockpiled juice (about 1.5 liters) and cartomizers (250). Batteries, I have an SB so I do not ever need to worry about these (rechargeable). Depending on the juice, they usually say it has about a 1-2 year shelf life (store in cool, dark, dry place). Unflavored juice probably has the longest shelf life. As for the amount of juice equaling a carton; I really have no idea. A quick GUESS would be 5-10ml equals a carton. It really is hard to compare the two.

 

[highping]

1. Stockpiling?? Not me

2. It's hard to estimate pack-of-smoke-wise, but most vapers will use 1-3ml a day.

3. the shelf life has been stated to be 2 years if stored in a cool dark place.

 

[FrogHat]

1. Stockpiling?? Not me

2. It's hard to estimate pack-of-smoke-wise, but most vapers will use 1-3ml a day.

3. the shelf life has been stated to be 2 years if stored in a cool dark place.

Nope....not you

 

[gasp]

1. Stockpiling?? Not me

2. It's hard to estimate pack-of-smoke-wise, but most vapers will use 1-3ml a day.

3. the shelf life has been stated to be 2 years if stored in a cool dark place.

lol obsessive much?

/ducks

ok, for what it's worth i don't see it taking me all that long (finances with holding) to get a pile like that too.

 

[highping]

lol obsessive much?

more like picky I don't like the flavor of a lot of those, just glad I bought 3 and 6ml bottles instead of 30ml bottles for a few of them. (lesson to new users)

 

[MsSki]

1. Stockpiling?? Not me

2. It's hard to estimate pack-of-smoke-wise, but most vapers will use 1-3ml a day.

3. the shelf life has been stated to be 2 years if stored in a cool dark place.

OMG that is so funny, im gonna be following in your vapor cloud soon

 

[lightinup]

1. Stockpiling?? Not me

2. It's hard to estimate pack-of-smoke-wise, but most vapers will use 1-3ml a day.

3. the shelf life has been stated to be 2 years if stored in a cool dark place.

I am so jealous! NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCE!

 

[CartHeadMod]

you will probably know for yourself within a week, but I find that keeping up with my previous pack a day habit uses up a bit more than 5ml a week....

 

[ellisera]

Actually I just started experimenting with making my own after my favorite US e-juice maker changed formulas on me (and I wasn't able to find one who's stuff I like). I now just use VG and LorAnn candy oil flavorings. A lot cheaper that way too. I am considering stock-piling on attys and batteries though and am looking into mods which might have easily replaceable (in hardware store/HomeDepot) rechargeable batteries.

 

[DC2]

1. Is anyone stock piling juices and batts and cart and atty's?

Yes, lots of people are, including me.

2. Can some one tell me if i have 5ml bottle of Juice what is that equl as far as packs of smokes? How much does the large 30 ml equl in packs or carton?

Hard to say, but the average around here is about 2-3ml per day.

Very heavy vapors who never put them down might use around 4-5ml per day.
Very light vapors might use 1ml or less per day.

3.What is the self life for juice?

There are some very good threads on this question.
But, the answers you have already gotten in other posts above are the consensus.

 

[highping]

Mods are an excellent solution for a (possible) ban. If you have a good BB mod, you only need to worry about attys and juice. If you're technically inclined you can make your own attys. And there are some that make their own juice (from scratch).
So really a ban is just not going to stop some of us
I aint sceered

 

[OH Tommy]

The most extreme case I've read about on here was someone who said they vaped heavily all their waking hours and used close to 5ml per day.

The only thing that is critical (no easy DIY) is the atomizer; everything else can be "worked around."

There is no question in my mind that THE concern of our FDA is money.
What do you suppose the major tobacco industry lobbyists are being paid to do these days re: eCigs?

Follow the money . . .

.

 

[martha1014]

It's in the forum somewhere that:

2ml of 36mg eliquid is around 72 average cigs.

I use to smoke 3 packs a day of Marlboro reds and I vape 36 mg and use approximately 3-4 ml of eliquid

Yes I have obtained enough atomizers and mods and 1200 ml of eliquid. I felt like the FDA would ban ecigs and bought way too much. Better safe than sorry.

 

[DC2]

2ml of 36mg eliquid is around 72 average cigs.

That is how much nicotine there is in 2ml of 36mg juice, however...
The conventional wisdom here is that we only absorb around 10-40% of the nicotine from vaping.

I think it is more likely that 2ml of 36mg juice is equivalent to around 30 cigarettes.
And it also depends on how much nicotine was in those cigarettes, which can vary quite a bit.

 

[jace]

Is there some new ban looming on the horizon that I am unaware of? Thought that the court ruling slapped the power to ban PV's away from the FDA...

 

[Garnoch]

Lets face it... the government simply wants us to smoke with the way analogs are taxed these days, not to mention that the less people on social security, the better - for the government. The tobacco companies have powerful lobbyists and you know they don't want ecigs around either. I actually doubt a ban will happen in the U.S., but I do believe that the tobacco industry will act as the music industry did and as the film industry is now (analog vs digital). Companies are scared of change. They will fight it as long as possible (but in this case behind the scenes) and then at some point give up and join in (if you can't beat 'em, join 'em), mass marketing Camel or Marlboro ecigs and juice, at which point the government will tax the crap out of this emerging market and be as happy as they are now.

 

[DC2]

Is there some new ban looming on the horizon that I am unaware of? Thought that the court ruling slapped the power to ban PV's away from the FDA...

The court ruling was in favor of a preliminary injunction to stop the FDA from seizing shipments from NJoy and Smoking Everywhere until the trial is over and a final judgement has been entered. That ruling in favor of the preliminary injunction is under appeal by the FDA right now. After the appeal is over the trial will begin once again to see if the FDA can seize the shipments or not.

 

[Metstoo]

I would think that, the primary ingredient of concern being nicotine, that if they ban e-cig sales, they would have to ban ANY nicotine delivery system, including analogs, nicoderm, etc. Wouldn't lawyers argue that logic?

So the real issue is not "Nicotine is bad for you! It causes cancer!" as the ignorant would claim... The issue, as always, is money. They will wrangle and mess with us and, in the end, probably waste more money in court costs... but they'll make that up later in regulating e-cigs and taxing the pieces and parts. Hey, it worked for cigarettes.

Of course the drug companies may grumble because not so many people will be dying of smoking and that would lessen our needs for exorbitantly priced meds and chemo. Money out of their pockets.

(Ooooh... who's a cynical little vaper tonight?! Me! I may need a glass of wine.)

 

[DC2]

I would think that, the primary ingredient of concern being nicotine, that if they ban e-cig sales, they would have to ban ANY nicotine delivery system, including analogs, nicoderm, etc. Wouldn't lawyers argue that logic?

It's way more complicated than that, but your conclusions are just about right.

The FDA wants to treat electronic cigarettes as drug delivery devices.
That would mean they would be subject to lengthy and expensive testing and approval process.

That would in essense mean they would be "banned" until someone with big money stepped up.
And still "banned" until that process has been completed, which is estimated to be many years.


We are hoping that they are forced to treat them as tobacco products.
They will still be able to regulate them, but it is a better fate supposedly.

They will tax them of course.
And they will regulate how much nicotine they may contain.
And they will almost certainly ban all flavors other than tobacco and maybe menthol.


There is still hope of treating them as "reduced harm tobacco products" but I'm not clear on that.