My Fear and questions.

[~Jo~]

It's not all about the money in taxes, though. It's about the freakin' power, and the hubris to believe that only they can make the right decisions for us. C. S. Lewis said, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

I'm sure some are just after increased tax revenue, and some are just "protecting" us from our own decisions, and some share traits with both of those particular breeds of asses.

Gah! HTH am I supposed to vape and complain about the government at the same time?! Drew too hard as soon as I started getting worked up, and got a mouthful of nasty. Which I guess isn't entirely inappropriate considering the topic at hand.

 

[CaptJay]

If flavors are an issue for age-requirement substances I fail to understand why flavored alcohol is not subject to the same investigations and media hoo-hah.
Why are the FDA not hot on the trail of those too?
I fully accept taht individuals within the FDA are genuine caring people, wanting to protect citizens from unscrupulous companies who might try and peddle soemthing dangerous. Their bark however is all they have due to the fact their teeth have been removed by the Govt - if the FDA were truely an organisation to prevent harm to us eevryday folks then cigarettes would be allowed under their purview and have been banned years ago. Because they were allowed to be sold before the FDA came into being, they cannot now affect them much. What they ARE allowed to do is piecemeal at best.
This is one reason I think they go after PVs with rabid viciousness. ALmost a 'not on MY watch' deal. They are 'like' cigarettes but not actual ciggies - close enough though I think to trigger that response. Americans seem to think they lve in a country that isn't a nanny state but if you check your taxes(and insurances), esp on goods, and see what it is you get taxed ON, I think you'll find you're mistaken. Your nanny state is just less obvious than it is in, say the UK, but its there alright. That's my view anyways

I seem to have wandered wildly OT, sorry about that.
Stockpiling - yes, sort of, I think I'll be building my collection for a while lot of it though is trying new things and seeing what I like and don't like. Getting the nic strength right tends to generate a lot of bottles also
I probably should look into getting more hardware but I have 2 x 2 joye510 kits right now, (a PT and 2 chargers too ), and I'd hate for all my attys to die at once and leave me at the mercy of Big T again

 

[Iammoonie]

LOTS of grrrrrrrrrrreat information here! and sorry my posts are short, im using a PS3 to access the web these days and, unfortunately, I have to highlight EACH letter and select it. ughh... took like 8 mins. to type this

 

[DC2]

If flavors are an issue for age-requirement substances I fail to understand why flavored alcohol is not subject to the same investigations and media hoo-hah.

My guess is that alcohol is mainstream and even the anti-tobacco nazis have a drink or two every now and then, most likely flavored in some way, shape or form. But we tobacco users are looked down upon and in the minority, and so we are a valid target to go after.

 

[CaptJay]

Alcohol was subject to prohibition when tobacco was not, and anyways if they make a precdent in law about flavorings and age restricted substances, regardless of the user base - providing it is a legal substance which both are - this is dangerous ground. Producers of spirits should take note because if this goes through they will be next on the list for the same reasons given for doing this to tobacco/anything related to tobacco/containing the WORD tobacco/suspected of being tobacco/associated with tobacco. I'm actually surprised big tobacco rolled over on the flavoring from cigs thing tbh.
I believe there are more kids drinking these days than smoking.

 

[DC2]

Alcohol was subject to prohibition when tobacco was not, and anyways if they make a precdent in law about flavorings and age restricted substances, regardless of the user base - providing it is a legal substance which both are - this is dangerous ground. Producers of spirits should take note because if this goes through they will be next on the list...

They very well might be, should be interesting.

I'm actually surprised big tobacco rolled over on the flavoring from cigs thing tbh.

If I understand correctly, not only did Big Tobacco NOT roll over on this one, they helped.
They didn't really make much money from flavored cigarettes, mostly their competition did.

I could be wrong, but that's what I've been hearing.

 

[CaptJay]

Oh well the rolling over makes sense then - came down to cash. Figures lol

 

[GPWill]

Totally agree on the tax angle...

Worse case scenario is a total ban from China.

a.With all the mod makers out there I don't think there will be an issue with hardware. b.PG and VG perfectlly legal. (Fat chance getting these into a class of drugs)
c.Plenty of places to get flavor.

Boils down to what will happen to the nicotine. Banned or taxed to lower hades?

40 years pack a day. Now.. 2 snus and a cart of 12 mg.

My 2 pennies.. And thanks to all the great people on the forum!

 

[DC2]

I've always maintained that they are messing with the wrong people this time.

Our numbers are too great and our passion is far too strong.
They are playing with our very lives.

I definitely think we will prevail, and take down anyone in our way.
But it will take coming together as one, which won't happen until it needs to happen.

But we all have to keep on spreading the word and getting more people behind us.

 

[highping]

My predictions:
- Big Tobacco WILL get into ecigs within the next year.
Just too much profit shifting away from them right now and it's only going to get worse for them. Vaping is going to continue to grow exponentially. Everyone that starts vaping is turning 2,3 (20) more people on to it. A very high percentage of smokers that see it (or more importantly are allowed to take a hit to try it) are going to make the switch and an even higher percentage of those people are going to stick with it and in turn, spread it.
- BT will NEVER sell juice
Just no money in it (at least not the high profit money they are used to). They are going to sell 2-piece carto systems, or more likely, 1piece, non-refillable disposables.

These are just my predictions, I have been wrong before. (once a few years ago )

 

[CartHeadMod]

The conventional wisdom here is that we only absorb around 10-40% of the nicotine from vaping.

there is another factor that doesn't get much discussion....I know that the current desire is for lots of vapor, but obviously any vapor you can see contains nicotine that isn't ending up in your system.....basically you are taking pleasure in watching your eliquid go to waste.....