My first four puffs - HORRIBLE PANIC ATTACK!
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Of course they do. It's their job to infiltrate, speak the lingo, and then zap the public with their lies. The antis are well-funded lobbyists after all. They stop at nothing. If you don't believe this, read their training manual Tobacco Control Strategy Planning - Guide 2
Personally....I think the primer that was probably not blown out as it should be...plus you probably
inhaled like you do a regular cig..(don't do that the first few days-just inhale into the mouth and
blow out and gently increase into the throat over a few days) and combine that with the panic
aspect, and the combo probably set you off.
Take it easy, blow out the carts, then slowing inhale into your mouth, not throat and blow out.
Let us know how it goes, we are here to help.
inhaled like you do a regular cig..(don't do that the first few days-just inhale into the mouth and
blow out and gently increase into the throat over a few days) and combine that with the panic
aspect, and the combo probably set you off.
Take it easy, blow out the carts, then slowing inhale into your mouth, not throat and blow out.
Let us know how it goes, we are here to help.
Whoa. Thanks for sharing that.
I suppose I've gotten used to less competent and motivated "activists" locally. I need to keep my eye on the bigger picture.
Thank you! I'm trying to convert a buddy from analogs to vaping. I've loaned him a couple of 510 PT's (3.7 & 5.0 volts)
I want to be able to direct him to vendors that sell prefilled 510 cartos if he decides to pursue it beyond the cartos I pre-filled and gave to him.
I'd vote for 3. No way you ODed on nicotine from four puffs and getting a bit on your hands. Sounds to me like a psychosomatic response.
Having been diagnosed and treated for panic disorder myself (successfully, I would like to add), I think it is quite possible that you got a bit of a flush for some reason, and I know from all too much experience that any body symptom that mimics in any way the symptoms you experience during a panic attack, will tend to set off a panic attack. The catastrophic thinking that occurs during or immediately prior to the attack doesn't help either, frequently prolonging and worsening it.
Of course, I hope you don't go back to analogs. Heck, the reason I started smoking was the panic disorder. Just hang in there, and of course, work with your doctor/psychiatrist/therapist on this. Just my non-MD opinion, of course.
Of course, I hope you don't go back to analogs. Heck, the reason I started smoking was the panic disorder. Just hang in there, and of course, work with your doctor/psychiatrist/therapist on this. Just my non-MD opinion, of course.
Hey Bodytech. The exact same thing happened to me the first time i vaped. Were you thinking at all about "oh my god, what if i get a nicotine OD," etc before you took the first puffs, even subconsciously? I also am prone to panic attacks, and I found myself subconsciously thinking those things my first time. My buddy picked up a J118 with prefilled marb carts. I took a few drags and started to feel light headed, which set the panic in motion and caused it to snowball into a full on panic attack. Had you had any nicotine that day yet? My first exposure to nic each day is definitelly more powerfull than subsequent vape sessions throughout the day.
Long story short, I eventually got my own 510 (and now an eGo) and I ordered some american-made low nic juice from Johnson Creek. I vape all day no problems now, although sometimes if i puff too much too fast I'll start to feel light headed. Ive learned to recognize it, however, and simply lay off the ecig for a bit.
So my recommendation to you is don't give up! I agree with many of the other responses to your post. It could have been the coating on the atomizer that tastes like crap and makes me feel like im inhaling burning plastic. Vaping is also a different feeling from smoking, and when I let smokers try my ecig for the first time, many cough and choke since it is a vapor and not a dry smoke. Remember the first time you smoked an analogue? Not usually a fun time. Your body just has to adjust to the feeling and see it as "normal." I was still a little panickey for a while, but less and less each time until my baseless worries completely subsided.
Also, prefilled carts for the most part are crap, imo. Brows the forums here about ejuice and pick a quality american made brand you think looks good. Also experiment with different PG/VG mixes to see what you like best. My buddy refused to fill his own until I started, and then couldn't believe he ever didn't fill his own after that.
Long story short, I eventually got my own 510 (and now an eGo) and I ordered some american-made low nic juice from Johnson Creek. I vape all day no problems now, although sometimes if i puff too much too fast I'll start to feel light headed. Ive learned to recognize it, however, and simply lay off the ecig for a bit.
So my recommendation to you is don't give up! I agree with many of the other responses to your post. It could have been the coating on the atomizer that tastes like crap and makes me feel like im inhaling burning plastic. Vaping is also a different feeling from smoking, and when I let smokers try my ecig for the first time, many cough and choke since it is a vapor and not a dry smoke. Remember the first time you smoked an analogue? Not usually a fun time. Your body just has to adjust to the feeling and see it as "normal." I was still a little panickey for a while, but less and less each time until my baseless worries completely subsided.
Also, prefilled carts for the most part are crap, imo. Brows the forums here about ejuice and pick a quality american made brand you think looks good. Also experiment with different PG/VG mixes to see what you like best. My buddy refused to fill his own until I started, and then couldn't believe he ever didn't fill his own after that.
Nicotine can trigger panic attacks, and if you're using a high nicotine cartridge then that definitely may be the culprit. I myself have panic attacks and while nicotine is usually soothing, too much of it can lead to the smothering sensation associated with panic attacks, especially if it comes with a new inhalation sensation. And as soon as your breathing gets screwed up, it's hard to stop the onslaught. Try a lower nicotine cartridge or try taking just a few short puffs again to get the feel of how a PV feels. It bites your throat in the way that an old lucky strike or rollie does, and if you're not used to that, I can only imagine how jarring it must feel.
Hope you feel better.
Hope you feel better.
I also agree that it was probably a panic attack. Some other things to remember are that your body is used to inhaling smoke and I know for myself that simply taking big breaths when I smoked analogs would make me feel light-headed because my body wasn't used to getting pure oxygen. It is very important to remember as you keep vaping that your body is addicted or relies on just more than the nicotine in cigarettes. As dekalbave pointed out, you want to work with your health provider so that you can adjust medication accordingly. My concentration has been shot since I quit the analogs and many people have problems with depression when quitting analogs. I know when I quit cold turkey before the anxiety was through the roof.
If you felt lightheaded and had rapid heartbeat, it could have been the nicotine since the cart also spilled on your hand. What kind of cigarettes do you smoke? You should find out what nicotine level is in the carts.
Did you guys clean the primer off the atomizers? That stuff is nasty too. I might panic if I thought that was what quitting cigs was going to taste like.
But I don't really trust your carts - do you have some juice of known nicotine? You could try to slip the stuffing out of a cart, rinse and part dry well with paper towels, and rinse the empty cart plastic cup and dry. Then put a bit of juice in the cart, then the stuffing then top off with more juice until it looks moist but not a puddle on top,
Did you guys clean the primer off the atomizers? That stuff is nasty too. I might panic if I thought that was what quitting cigs was going to taste like.
But I don't really trust your carts - do you have some juice of known nicotine? You could try to slip the stuffing out of a cart, rinse and part dry well with paper towels, and rinse the empty cart plastic cup and dry. Then put a bit of juice in the cart, then the stuffing then top off with more juice until it looks moist but not a puddle on top,
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I promise you, I'm not at all an "anti" or anything like that!! I think it sucks that there seems to be a smear campaign against e-cigs, esp. since they help so many people quit analogs and there are other nic products out there that are perfectly ok with the FDA. No, no no. I'm a real live person who wants to quit analogs very badly and enjoy the success that you guys have with e-cigs. But I understand that you guys have to be wary of "anti's" so no worries. 
That said, I thank you all for the advice and understanding. This is a genuine and caring group and I feel better knowing you guys are there to help. I very much appreciate those of you who have experience with panic attacks sharing your experience and guidance. Yes, I do not think it is the vaping itself that is the problem, just my inexperience and tendency to "freak out" over every little thing.
That said, I thank you all for the advice and understanding. This is a genuine and caring group and I feel better knowing you guys are there to help. I very much appreciate those of you who have experience with panic attacks sharing your experience and guidance. Yes, I do not think it is the vaping itself that is the problem, just my inexperience and tendency to "freak out" over every little thing.
Hi Bodytech....Welcome to the ECF!
I was a smoker for 25 years. I started vaping last March, but didn't put down the analogs until late August. I went through all kinds of denial and drama over making the switch. Looking back, I know that for me, I was having a terrible time letting go of the analogs. Those analogs were the only thing I could depend on no matter what to help get me through tough times. The thought of letting them go was like the thought of kicking your child out of home, telling your spouse its time for a divorce....it was really upsetting to even consider it. For me, the dependancy I had on the analogs was way worse than I had anticipated. But you couldn't tell me that before I made the switch on my own. It is possible that the stress from changing your habit, could very well cause a panic attack. Feeling flush and a little wierd is normal to a degree for some, but it is a feeling that passes. I would suggest, taking this slowly.
#1, order some additional juices in a variety of flavors and nic levels, and get pg and vg so you can test to see what works best (sample kits) and get them coming. Order from a US supplier/manufacturer like Mrs T's, FSUSA, Alien Visions E-juice, Backwoods Brew to ensure quality clean juice.
#2, don't give up....take this slower....take one or two drags, then set your pv down and walk away. Find something else to do.
#3, remember to drink hydrating fluids while vaping to help with any dehydration that may occur.
#4, remember that many of us go through a "transition" when learning how to use our pv, and every pv we order afterwards. I made it...so can you!
Please keep us posted on your progress!
I was a smoker for 25 years. I started vaping last March, but didn't put down the analogs until late August. I went through all kinds of denial and drama over making the switch. Looking back, I know that for me, I was having a terrible time letting go of the analogs. Those analogs were the only thing I could depend on no matter what to help get me through tough times. The thought of letting them go was like the thought of kicking your child out of home, telling your spouse its time for a divorce....it was really upsetting to even consider it. For me, the dependancy I had on the analogs was way worse than I had anticipated. But you couldn't tell me that before I made the switch on my own. It is possible that the stress from changing your habit, could very well cause a panic attack. Feeling flush and a little wierd is normal to a degree for some, but it is a feeling that passes. I would suggest, taking this slowly.
#1, order some additional juices in a variety of flavors and nic levels, and get pg and vg so you can test to see what works best (sample kits) and get them coming. Order from a US supplier/manufacturer like Mrs T's, FSUSA, Alien Visions E-juice, Backwoods Brew to ensure quality clean juice.
#2, don't give up....take this slower....take one or two drags, then set your pv down and walk away. Find something else to do.
#3, remember to drink hydrating fluids while vaping to help with any dehydration that may occur.
#4, remember that many of us go through a "transition" when learning how to use our pv, and every pv we order afterwards. I made it...so can you!
Please keep us posted on your progress!
Hi, Pandatera:
Yes, I did. In addition to the pre-filled carts, I got 30ml juice (pg/vg, I think) at 24mg and 20ml (VG) at 18mg. I have an additional order on the way of other flavored juice from FMUSA at 30mg (a review here of "Thin Mint Cookie" intrigued me), plus some plain VG to cut it with, since I know 30mgs is way too high.
By the way, my BF is continuing to vape and loving it! He switched out the pre-filled kit cart for an empty cart which he filled with the juice we purchased and said it was much better.
I talked to my doc today and, after reading all of your good counsel and thinking it over myself, we concluded that my panic attack was the result of a "perfect storm" of stuff going on in my life (stress over money, grieving for my dad who recently passed) and my over-reaction to the initial, slightly unusual feeling of vaping to a newbie.
So, I'm gonna wait 'til I get my FMUSA order, mix a batch of VG (or mostly VG), lower nic juice, vape once (gently!), put it down and walk away and see how I feel. I'm hoping I can really make this happen, and I'm gonna be patient. I know you all have my back and I thank you for that!! I'll report back next week.
hi bodytech, i am familiar with the panic attacks, so i know what you feel like. many times if some new or strange feeling came over me it would precipitate full-blown panic like you had. so maybe you felt a little tingling or something from the e-cig and in that split-second your body and mind reacted and you had that massive adrenaline surge. i would also assume it was caused by the e-cig, but it's doubtful it was. i hope you are able to continue with the vaping.
Rachezee, you make an excellent point. Panic attacks do tend to snowball with a little provocation. Being panic prone, when I introduce something new into my system and have some kind of odd feeling, I get into "uh oh!!" mode and start the panic ball rolling. I'm gonna try to take it slow and build up to a point down the road where I can hopefully quit analogs. Thank you so much
I was about to mention something along these lines. A lot of panic and anxiety can also come from change with anything. It's the change to something new that could have made it worse. Do you have a problem with changing other things like upgrading phones? My teenage daughter is tech savvy but has anxiety with new phones and computers, those are the only things I initiate change with. Was it your boyfriends idea or your idea?
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