Feeling Strange and Major Panic Attacks

[Doc]

In regards to the new evidence that nicotine may not be absorbed readily while vapping, consider the possibility of nicotine withdrawal despite a high nic dosed liq. Try a nicotine free liquid and use a patch or gum while vapping if symptoms persist (after consulting your doctor of course).

 

[Elle]

to the OP- i know what you're going through- panic attacks are no f*#&n picnic.

lowering your nic content i think is a good start, and also see if youre taking in too many stimulants, especially caffiene (coffee, soda, otc painkillers, etc.). make sure you get good sleep at night and get enough to eat.

being prone to high anxiety we have to be more careful about the most simple things

 

[Tallgirl1974]

so , e-smoking can cause panic attacks and heart palps? That is def not good for me because I hate heart palpitations and I do have some anxiety problems. I really really wouldnt want to excacerb ate any of those problems! Any others can chime in on this e smoking and heart palps and/or anxiety??


I also find it fascinating how information continually contradicts on this forum. Everyone is saying you get too much nicotine, OD OD becareful nicotine poisening. then on the other hand, tests are saying you get 1/5th the amount. wtf is going on here? Is it really the nicotine then?? Some are saying e smoking is too weak others say its too strong.. like which is it?

I had frequent heart palpitations on cigarettes- and they say its a side effect of nicotine (smoking)...anxiety issues can stem from *lack of nicotine- its proven to calm us down, and its proven that it helps us deal with stress. Its *why we are addicted to it. (Duke just finished a study that implies dropping liquid nicotine in a drink before a test can improve test results, calm a person down, and even cheer them up.) Just as I cant pick up a pack of marlboro reds and start puffing my head off without getting sick, you cant just have a one size fits all vapor. It seems logical that we will all have different nic needs, doesnt it? Our habits are all so unique.

 

[rescueme]

Maybe someone can help me. I am also a newbie. I wan to try the Johnson Creek sample however I am afraid the 18mg is to strong for me. How many drops of the nonpg would I add to get it to about 11mg level or should I just add distilled water. I am so confused. I have been experiencing headaches from the pg so I figured I would try the non pg. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

[paladinx]

I realize everyone is diff with diff nicotine needs. But it seems like thats not the only variable with this. We really do not seem to know what or how much we are getting with the vaping. Someone had a good point, with cigarettes, U kind of know what ur getting. Cigs have similar nicotine levels and when a cigarette is done it is done, like someone else mentioned. If you are a light smoker, then after one cigarette you might not need one for a long time, a heavy smoker will light up again, but the nicotine is consistent. With this you choose how much, and how long you vape for. Not only that, the sensations and feelings of it seems to be different then smoking, so u really never know when you are satisfied.
on top of that no one knows exactly how much nicotine they are getting.

 

[Liberate_Yourself]

1. Discontinue use immediately and go see a doctor.

2. 36mg is insanely high, no matter how many cigs you were smoking per day. I would start with 11mg, and if that does not float your boat, move up to 24mg or a mix of the 11mg and 24mg (18mg roughly).. either way, start low and gradually increase until you hit your sweet-spot.

3. It could also be withdrawal symptoms from the thousands of other chemicals that are in regular cigarettes, that you are not getting from your eCig. The only way to find out is to stop smoking cigs altogether (both analog and eCigs), and if you get the panic attacks again, I think you may have found the culprit.

4. It could be something inside your head, or another more serious medical condition. The only way to find out is to talk to a medical professional.

Please go and talk to a doctor.

 

[jbbishop]

Yeah, the 5 minutes a doctor spends with you is about worth as much as spending a buck on the fortune telling machine.

But if you're having problems discontinue and if you consider trying again use a lower dosage i.e. 18mg or 24mg. I don't have any problems with the 24mg. vg. I'm still having panic and anxiety problems off and on in the case when I'm not on my medication with as much as a 50% solution of the 36mg. pg. mixed with the 24 mg. vg. I'm strongly unconvinced this is solely due to the nicotine, for I can go smoke a regular cigarette at these points with no additional problems while just a single inhalation from the e-cigarette will send it over the edge. I'm still of the belief that for me the panic attacks has something to do also with the pg, but it is also better to "adjust" to a lower nicotine content and make do with it as it may be that in the pure form this is significantly a part of the problem.

 

[taz3cat]

I read a study on in the National library of Medicine the other day and it said they think that anxiety attacks are the first' real early, signs of heart trouble. I was having panic attacks before they finally decide that my artery had gone bad from inflammation, Don't have much junk in my artery's.

 

[paladinx]

I hope people here who might have anxiety take taz's comment with a grain of salt. I honestly think it is a very dumb thing to say to people who have anxiety to put more fear in their head. The truth of the matter is, Most doctors will tell you, most people with anxiety who believe they have heart problems or other problems have nothing wrong with them. Anxiety is usually mental not physically related. in some cases those who have physical problems might trigger panic attacks because they are prone to anxiety. But as far as anxiety being a predictor to disease, that is really rubbish. The thing anxiety people must becareful about, is that doctors might be quick to misdiagnose anxiety patients. There was a big study done on how doctors were diagnosing anxiety patients with mitral valve prolapse, and it turned out to be a conspiracy, and that most of these people did not even have the condition. They went from saying 40 percent of the population had MVP to only 3 percent because of these reasons

Oh and ps, My whole family has a history of anxiety disorder, I think everyone in my family thought they had heart trouble or brain tumors or whatever, none of them had any real physical problems.

 

[waywardsister]

*jumps in to thread* As a former panic attack sufferer, I'll just add this briefly - sometimes, it absolutely is physiological. Gluten (in wheat) is a huge factor for some people. It was for me *jumps back out*

 

[taz3cat]

What are pre-heart attack symptoms?

Pre-heart attack or prodromal symptoms are symptoms that occur before a heart attack, generally from about 4 to 6 months to 1 week before (though some people report these symptoms up to 2 years before their heart attack).

Common pre-heart attack symptoms include 5:

•Unusual fatigue
•Sleep disturbance
•Shortness of breath
•Chest pain
•Indigestion
•Anxiety
•Pain in shoulder blade or upper back


http://www.hearthealthywomen.org/index.php?view=article&id=83&Itemid=1&option=com_content

 

[paladinx]

Once again what you are saying is very misleading. There are many more people who have anxiety who think they have a heart problem when they DO NOT, than there are anxiety sufferers who have heart problems with anxiety being a predicting factor. I think any nurse, EMT, doctor would verify this.

Thats like saying dizziness is a symptom of a heart attack. Sure it can be, but the majority of dizziness cases are not related to heart attacks.

So why even make this kind of point to people who already are nervous and worried or who have anxiety disorder on this thread. I think its ......ed. Most anxiety sufferers need reassurance not putting out of context fears out there. So if you do have anxiety, The odds of you having it due to some kind of health problem, are much lower than the most common reason of it being genetic, or a psychological reason.

 

[taz3cat]

I may be ......ed but, I am not spouting my personal opinion. I provided the link so people could read the rest of the information.

People who have anxiety disorders know that is what they have and have been check by their doctors.

People who suddenly develop anxiety need to see a doctor, is the only point I really want to make.

 

[paladinx]

I am not spouting my personal opinion. I cannot send a link to validate what I am saying because there are a billion links on anxiety disorder. Anyone who is interested just research anxiety disorder, or health anxiety and you will find the answers.

All I am doing is elaborating on your blanket statement because it can be interpreted in a way it shouldnt. Im not really arguing with you, you have a personal experience that shows this could happen. All i am saying is that if you look at all of anxiety sufferers, anxiety is USUALLY not the result of a medical problem, but more of a hormonal, genetic, pyschological one.

 

[ladyraj]

Once again what you are saying is very misleading. There are many more people who have anxiety who think they have a heart problem when they DO NOT, than there are anxiety sufferers who have heart problems with anxiety being a predicting factor. I think any nurse, EMT, doctor would verify this.

Thats like saying dizziness is a symptom of a heart attack. Sure it can be, but the majority of dizziness cases are not related to heart attacks.

So why even make this kind of point to people who already are nervous and worried or who have anxiety disorder on this thread. I think its ......ed. Most anxiety sufferers need reassurance not putting out of context fears out there. So if you do have anxiety, The odds of you having it due to some kind of health problem, are much lower than the most common reason of it being genetic, or a psychological reason.

The biggest symptom to rule out in a diagnosis of heart attack is anxiety and panic attack. There is a tiny case to be made for mitral valve prolapse as an organic system underlying anxiety but those cases are few and far between. The literature is very clear...the more somatic complaints one reports...the more likely their diagnosis is complicated by anxiety or misplaced fear wrongly associated with mundane events. Anxiety is part of the human condition and is natural in it's pure form.

 

[paladinx]

I really believe the truth about mvp and anxiety as being linked has to do with the exploitation of anxiety patients. There is a big reason the figures went from 30 percent to 3 percent. It means many were misdiagnosed, and many of those misdiagnosed were anxiety sufferers. So it became almost a symptom of MVP. I think these people continually went to the ER thinking they had a heart problem and were searching for an answer, and these doctors gave them one and did what they do best, prescribe some pills.

its almost like what dentists have done with wisdom teeth. Any excuse to pull t hem, even if it was not necessary they will pull them. They also used to do the same thing with people tonsils, but not anymore.

 

[edlogic]

I got some 36mg and put it in my 510.

Brilliant.

Never doing that again. You could have popped my head with a pin.

The thing about high strength liquid is that even that won't provide all the physical cues you get from smoking an analog, so you have to relearn what your body is telling you. You'll get a nicotine buzz, sure, but your body won't protest and say "enough" by making you immediately feel queasy and "smoked out". It's hard to describe, but take it easy on the high strength and you'll soon know to recognise how you feel when you've vaped enough.

"strayling"

You WILL feel it if it's too high. No other way to explain it. Think of it this way: have you ever smoked an unfiltered cigarette or inhaled cigar smoke into your lungs? You know like right now whether you are comfortable with it. No two ways about it.

Low is good. This way you can also cut it with some store bought PG or VG if it's not. Or you know what to buy next time, for sure.

<- roger and roger and roger that er those 3 quotes

haha - i got my 510 and a bunch of juice about 3 weeks ago - i started out with the high strength nic juice and got a buzz right away - way too much -
that surprised me because i smoke bugler non filter - heavy tar - heavy nicotine and about 20 or 30 a day for more than 10 years - regular high filter analogs for 25 years before that - ( winston - camel etc )
so after 35 years of smoking high tar / nicotine cigs
the 36 mg juice was too much -

that makes me think that there are a lot of variables about each person - maybe some people absorb much more of the nicotine from the vapors than other people etc - i cut my juice with glycerin and 24 mg juice and now i vape that for a while then after a spell i vape even lower cut juice so that i don't keep vaping too much nicotine - so far since those first couple of days i haven't gotten the nic buzz any more and sometimes it takes 30 minutes of vaping to get enough nic but even so - after those 30 minutes and i still want to vape - i go to the low nic level juice for a while

haven't even hardly wanted an analog yet - a couple of times i just wondered how it would taste but then i think - i smoked them for 35 years - i guess i know how much i ended up hating them - so i don't even think about it any more - i just start vaping again

Once again what you are saying is very misleading. There are many more people who have anxiety who think they have a heart problem when they DO NOT, than there are anxiety sufferers who have heart problems with anxiety being a predicting factor. I think any nurse, EMT, doctor would verify this.

Thats like saying dizziness is a symptom of a heart attack. Sure it can be, but the majority of dizziness cases are not related to heart attacks.

So why even make this kind of point to people who already are nervous and worried or who have anxiety disorder on this thread. I think its ......ed. Most anxiety sufferers need reassurance not putting out of context fears out there. So if you do have anxiety, The odds of you having it due to some kind of health problem, are much lower than the most common reason of it being genetic, or a psychological reason.

roger that there paladinx - have ecigs will vape em -

i am 52 now - but 30 years ago when i was in my 20 ' s - for several months i had trouble with panic attacks - and for no known reason at all - no heath issues ever - but after maybe about a year - i don't remember how long i had them but they went away and i only have about 1 or 2 a year now sometimes

so i agree with you that for the super vast majority of people - there is NO reason at all to think that your heart is bad or going bad - even though that is exactly what it feels like - that you are going to drop dead or something external is going to happen - that is the key to knowing that it is not your body that is really in trouble - because in my case - i felt like EITHER i was going to drop dead myself - OR something external was about to happen - there you go - the clue that it is mostly in your mind - if it was all about your body being bad then it would only be a panic about your health and you would not be thinking about external events causing your demise - at least that is what i experienced - funny that i never thought it through before - it is one of those things that after it goes away - you never want to think about it again

 

[karenwest1961]

If you are predisposed to panic disorder, 36 mg is way too effin' high for you. Chit, 36 mg, in my opinion, should not even be freakin' out there. But it is. So it is up to the rest of us vapers to pray that somebody is not going to abuse the stuff and make headline news. Sure as chit way to get our stuff banned NOW.

 

[mmosaad]

Analogue cigarettes contains MAOI "mono amino oxidize inhibitor" which when discontinued smoking tobacco can lead to depressive state, i felt that first week when vaping and i got the answer, its St.John's wart, it will relive that depressive feeling and it is a natural herb "imagine what else they add to analogue cigarettes!!!!!!"

 

[gashin]

I find that a cortisol controller will help depression - also try marijuana (for obvious reasons and because it stimulates growth in some emotional regions of the brain) and a testosterone booster (or steroids ) because smoking does depress normal testosterone levels for a long time and testosterone is necessary to feel really good.

Analogue cigarettes contains MAOI "mono amino oxidize inhibitor" which when discontinued smoking tobacco can lead to depressive state, i felt that first week when vaping and i got the answer, its St.John's wart, it will relive that depressive feeling and it is a natural herb "imagine what else they add to analogue cigarettes!!!!!!"