I was speaking strictly about Florida. Here it is all government owned buildings. Public or private no smoking.
My landlord is trying to not only ban e-cigs but even owning a mod!!!
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I was speaking strictly about Florida. Here it is all government owned buildings. Public or private no smoking.
Wow.
The % of people on assistance who smoke here is north of 50%.
There would be a riot
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The % of people on assistance who smoke here is north of 50%.
There would be a riot
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Exactly. I think that this thread has produced some very good advice. But in the end, the OP needs to determine what's best for their particular situation. I know what I'd do, but hey, it's not my life.
They just cannot smoke inside the building/house/apt.
They can smoke on screen porches or patios etc.
Just because the landlord owns the building doesn't mean he can "do whatever he wants". Renters not only have rights, but those rights are protected by law. Why should the OP hide like he's some kind of lawbreaker or doing something illegal? Perhaps we are just different kinds of people, but I feel the OP should stand up for his rights. It's the people who don't understand their rights (as a consumer, renter, citizen, etc) who are taken advantage of and get walked on by those who are abusing their authority. I agree somewhat with don't draw unwarranted attention to yourself by being rebellious just for the sake of being a d-bag, but I completely disagree with the notion that he should hide and vape like he's breaking the law or something. He needs to arm himself with the knowledge of what's legal, and what his rights are.....and if rights ARE being violated, the reaction should be firm and SMART (above all else) and stand up for those rights.
Sorry...I completely disagree with *tuck tail and hide* mentality. No offense.
Okay..rant finished.
I still think you can raise your issue at the meeting and if they ignore you continue as normal and when they try to fine you tell them to sue and explain that your e-cig isn't capable of being lighted - nor is it an electronic smoking device. Therefore it is not covered under these rules in addition I would forward this paperwork to the government agency and argue that they are trying to ban possession of a legal device not just use of said device. I imagine the landlord will be told what's what on that one.
I imagine the landlord just included ecigs because they knew they existed based on "electronic smoking devices" he probably has no idea what they actually are It is possible some education might fix this.
In addition DO NOT sign anything until your original lease is complete. I don't know of anywhere where it is legal to unilaterally change the rules of a contract without agreement between all parties (Otherwise people would make insane offers then jack the rate as soon as you've signed) e.g. "Lease this car $1 a month..." *signed* "Actually How about $400 a month? Thanks, sucker"
I imagine the landlord just included ecigs because they knew they existed based on "electronic smoking devices" he probably has no idea what they actually are It is possible some education might fix this.
In addition DO NOT sign anything until your original lease is complete. I don't know of anywhere where it is legal to unilaterally change the rules of a contract without agreement between all parties (Otherwise people would make insane offers then jack the rate as soon as you've signed) e.g. "Lease this car $1 a month..." *signed* "Actually How about $400 a month? Thanks, sucker"
I don't know if this is an option, try to get more people to resist this. It could be that the landlord is thinking that no one will understand their rights. Which makes me think some other things that are not suitable for this thread and more for the OUTSIDE threads.
You get a large enough group to resist....
Sometimes things get dropped
You get a large enough group to resist....
Sometimes things get dropped
The homeowner's association for one of my rentals no longer allows BBQs.
Was just reading about a judge's decision in DC that a homeowner for over
50 years must now go outside to smoke as the apparent duplex neighbors are
suing for damages from his smoke going through their basement ventilation
system and getting into their house thereby possibly doing harm to their
unborn baby. When does this madness stop? Ugh sorry just venting.
50 years must now go outside to smoke as the apparent duplex neighbors are
suing for damages from his smoke going through their basement ventilation
system and getting into their house thereby possibly doing harm to their
unborn baby. When does this madness stop? Ugh sorry just venting.
A wise man once said, and I'm paraphrasing, never play a game to the extent to which you cannot afford to get out of it.
We all need to realize that everybody's " game" is not necessarily the same as our own and encouraging someone in a different game to stand up for their rights or buck the system may not be in their best long-term interest.
I still believe there's some great advice here but ultimately, only the OP knows to what extent he/she can afford to play this game.
We all need to realize that everybody's " game" is not necessarily the same as our own and encouraging someone in a different game to stand up for their rights or buck the system may not be in their best long-term interest.
I still believe there's some great advice here but ultimately, only the OP knows to what extent he/she can afford to play this game.
When we expose the liars and propagandists for what they are.
Efforts like this are a good start...
E-Cigarette Industry Plans to Make Critics Pay for Misleading Health Claims | E-Cigarette Reviews and Rankings
I'm afraid this is wise advice. Lawyers, moving are expensive. Only the op knows what is reasonable for him. The safest option in this case might be to vape in the privacy of his apartment, and limit his activism to writing his representatives, taking part through CASAA, supporting his local stores, etc.
Edit: A landlord has to give the tenant some warning before entering the apartment. It'd be really good to find out the rules on that.
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Here in Mississippi, we now have an Open Carry law. The said that property owners could post signs that weapons are not allowed on their property. The land lady went nuts and hung a "No Firearms Allowed" sign. I immediately called her to come over. She showed up and I said, "Hey you gotta check out this new Kimber .45 I just bought."
Nipped it in the bud. Yes, I still live here.
Am I suggesting the OP do it this way? Absolutely not. I've been living here for 18 years and I know what I can get away with.
Nipped it in the bud. Yes, I still live here.
Am I suggesting the OP do it this way? Absolutely not. I've been living here for 18 years and I know what I can get away with.
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did they state that burning incense is forbidden too? what about humidifiers? Boiling water? and candles? are candles on the no go list too? what happens if you burn your popcorn in the microwave? or your toast? Sounds like some power struggle/control issues to me.....
and heres the loophole..... it states specifically smoking device... nothing is mentioned about a vaping device.... seems as if they want to cover electronic devices that produce smoke. Vape on...
Wow... That adds to good neighborhood fellowship and atmosphere to have BBQs!!!! And this is a reason I will -never- live in a HOA area!!! Between stuff like that, the fact you are more or less a slave, and the anger they have toward HAM Radio operators..
I despise HOA's. In the one we lived at in the suburbs of Philly a few years ago, they wouldn't let you have the charcoal grill. Gas was still ok. I guess people didn't like the smell of fuel used to light the coals. Or the smell of the coals as they were on fire. I actually like that smell. Makes the burgers tasty too!
I expect a lot of people will be violating this rule worse than you. The penalties also aren't that bad, although if you get the first 2 strikes you'd better quit for real. Your fellow tenants may be more an enemy than the landlord. As long as the landlord doesn't want to get rid of you he probably won't mind if he knows you vape, as long as no one else knows, which he cannot allow. However, if someone else wants to harass or get rid of you, they can use that info. You may want to keep track of anything they're doing too.
Yup I can see this too, neighbors turning on neighbors and everyone blabbing on
everyone else - including people you thought were your friends. What a world.
exactly...
plan A... move
plan B... stay
in the event plan B works out, your contingencies for plan A should have already been worked out.
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