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There is a concerted campaign by the ANTZ to equate vaping with smoking and vaporizers with cigarettes.
Here's a recent example: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...d-define-ecigs-cigarettes-2.html#post13522728
Whereas I do understand the points made in favor of the "e-cigarette" label, I'm starting to think it's having a more of a negative impact than expected, and serving to fuel the public opinion shift in the direction that ANTZ want it to. I don't think changing the name of the forum is realistic or viable, but changing the way we speak about our gizmos will likely have a positive imapct on the public perception of vaping. So, as far as I'm concerned, I'm "vaping using a vaporizer", rather than "e-smoking an e-cigarette".
Here's a recent example: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...d-define-ecigs-cigarettes-2.html#post13522728
Whereas I do understand the points made in favor of the "e-cigarette" label, I'm starting to think it's having a more of a negative impact than expected, and serving to fuel the public opinion shift in the direction that ANTZ want it to. I don't think changing the name of the forum is realistic or viable, but changing the way we speak about our gizmos will likely have a positive imapct on the public perception of vaping. So, as far as I'm concerned, I'm "vaping using a vaporizer", rather than "e-smoking an e-cigarette".
Dear Dr,
There have been more posts about this than I can possibly imagine - and they all reach the same lack of conclusion imho. We could call it an electric zimmer - but people will have the same irrational or rational dislikes or likes for electronic cigarettes no matter what we call them.
Dear Dr,
There have been more posts about this than I can possibly imagine - and they all reach the same lack of conclusion imho. We could call it an electric zimmer - but people will have the same irrational or rational dislikes or likes for electronic cigarettes no matter what we call them.
....and good luck finding a name everyone in this community will agree on.
That's is an interesting post. I use the terms vaping and vaporizer and never e-cigarette. After all my VTR, Groove 2 and Beast don't have anything that relates to cigarettes. My hades and E-huge are cylinders but so is my can opener. My zeuz really look like cigars, people often refer to them as electronic cigars, I explain to them that they are vaporizers, ....etc.
I think this is the first time I've disagreed with what you have written DrMA.
In another of your posts you wrote: "In my own view, if we let the anti-nicotine inquisition (ANTZ) affix us with the same shame label that they've plastered over smokers, we've already lost the war. We must reclaim our own image and fight against the "re-normalization" nonsense. And there is no better way to do that than adopting the «the vape everywhere, with respect» policy."
But now you are saying you're concerned about the use of the word 'cigarette' as a component of the compound 'e-cig'!
No Sir. I myself am vaping on an e-cig. I think it's better to highlight the social engineering/manipulation of the ANTZ rather than to cave and try to avoid. Better to expose the manipulation rather than be timid I think.
Just wait until they label e-cigs as drugs and then we won't be able to talk about them. I see this coming. Names make a big diff. Vendors with the name ecig. vapor etc will be blackballed. It is already starting. Credit cards are already being declined by those they don't like. Companies won't sell legal products. All joking aside I think things will get worse.
There are lots of interesting comments here, and I've enjoyed reading this thread.
When people who are old timers get out of patience with something being brought up again, and again:
We need to remember, the folks who come and read on the internet are not a captive audience, but rather a moving parade. I think it's always good to revisit subjects. Not everyone has read about them before.
When people who are old timers get out of patience with something being brought up again, and again:
We need to remember, the folks who come and read on the internet are not a captive audience, but rather a moving parade. I think it's always good to revisit subjects. Not everyone has read about them before.
Indeed, it's something people maybe didn't know about until now. This post pretty much lays it out though.
Love the quote Buggainok "Be Kind whenever possible. It is always possible" Dalai Lama - good stuff
Love the quote Buggainok "Be Kind whenever possible. It is always possible" Dalai Lama - good stuff
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Interesting point of view, FourWinds. Here's a tl;dr answer: vaping everywhere is an opportunity to educate people about vaping and dispel the ANTZ propaganda that vapor=smoke. In this framework, calling it "e-smoking" only serves to confuse the message, and I'd rather call it vaping. Philosophically speaking you're right, but practically I believe it's easier to make no reference to tobacco or smoke when talking about vaporizers or vaping.
When I found my new copy of the Yellow Pages (YP) on the porch, prior to tossing it in the trash I attempted to look for sellers of e cigs and vapor.
What I did find was a few B&Ms listed under "Vaporizers."
I just thought how ineffective those listings are and to my surprise, none of the vendors had any paid for ads in the book at all.
Which, I suppose, is because so many of us that receive them toss their Yellow Pages in the trash as soon as they're received.
What I did find was a few B&Ms listed under "Vaporizers."
I just thought how ineffective those listings are and to my surprise, none of the vendors had any paid for ads in the book at all.
Which, I suppose, is because so many of us that receive them toss their Yellow Pages in the trash as soon as they're received.
It's the medium. What was once a power in the land has been supplanted by the internet imho.. The written word has never been more important - but we do tend to prefer electronic copy these days. Why? Because info can be updated much more quickly. This is especially so of business listings.
Having owned 2 businesses I can assure you, the return o investment for yellow page ads is REALLY LOW! That's why they don't have paid for ads. The last year I put ads in the yellow pages in Dallas area about ten years ago. I had 5-2 inch tall 1 column wide ads and it cost me $12,000 a year.
It's a good topic to debate because it's timeless. It'll never die. If we change to PV or something, then people will start posting, "Why don't we call it e-cigarette, that would work much better" )
We've been here since 2007 and it's hard to change stuff like this now. It could be done, but is there any point? The two best arguments IMO are:
1. The average person (non-smokers, that is) will be better informed if we call it a PV or whatever. They won't think we're still smoking. We won't get the same level of disapproval. It's OK, in their view, to use a doodad like an asthma inhaler to quit smoking, or as an alternative, because there is clearly no relation to a tobacco cigarette. We should change the name because as far as the gen pop is concerned, it will be a win.
2. If we're taliking about regulations / bans etc., then it doesn't matter what we call it. They need to kill us off any way possible, so if we called it an 'Organic Pure e-Inhaler' or 'e-Clean Nicotine Delivery System' it would make no difference: they'd just change the wording of the laws to suit. They need us gone and one of the least relevant factors is the name. More relevant is that many of them will be out of a job if they don't get rid of us any way they can.
I think that each argument has merit: to improve our public image we should indeed change the name now; but don't think that will have the slightest effect on the war on vaping - it won't.
My preference (as you can see from my personal site, linked in a couple of posts above) is the term EV or electric/electronic vaporizer. I'm not even going to bother pushing it here though
)We've been here since 2007 and it's hard to change stuff like this now. It could be done, but is there any point? The two best arguments IMO are:
1. The average person (non-smokers, that is) will be better informed if we call it a PV or whatever. They won't think we're still smoking. We won't get the same level of disapproval. It's OK, in their view, to use a doodad like an asthma inhaler to quit smoking, or as an alternative, because there is clearly no relation to a tobacco cigarette. We should change the name because as far as the gen pop is concerned, it will be a win.
2. If we're taliking about regulations / bans etc., then it doesn't matter what we call it. They need to kill us off any way possible, so if we called it an 'Organic Pure e-Inhaler' or 'e-Clean Nicotine Delivery System' it would make no difference: they'd just change the wording of the laws to suit. They need us gone and one of the least relevant factors is the name. More relevant is that many of them will be out of a job if they don't get rid of us any way they can.
I think that each argument has merit: to improve our public image we should indeed change the name now; but don't think that will have the slightest effect on the war on vaping - it won't.
My preference (as you can see from my personal site, linked in a couple of posts above) is the term EV or electric/electronic vaporizer. I'm not even going to bother pushing it here though
I believe this is the heart of the matter. It's certainly why I came here and began writing my wild, blathering, moderately rousing bits of random prose on the topic of vaping.
At first, I had hardly heard of the term "vaping", and knew the products involved only as "e-cigarettes" and not "vaping devices" or "APVs". My newfound interest in the activity of their use meant that an "e-cigarette forum" seemed like just the right place for me.
Today, I built my first Kayfun atomizer. And after having become this involved in vaping, I don't call them "e-cigarettes" any more. I do agree that logic would suggest that we should move away from using any form of the word "cigarette" when describing this activity which has become such an effective nemesis of tobacco smoking. But alas, inclusion of the term "e-cigarette" is how I found this place. And I dare say it's how almost all of us found this place. And it'll be how most future members will find this place as well.
You see, visibility is paramount in a venture as important as that of the E-Cigarette Forum, so I must defer to a well established axiom of successful marketing...
Once you've found popularity, DO NOT CHANGE YOUR NAME, lest you wish to lose it all.
That's an interesting story....people ask me "is that an e-cigarette?" regardless of the device I'm using at the time. (see signature) I say "sure is". Then I get to explain, too.
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