Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Jerms]

It's 60/40 based on what Brian mentioned in an email to me months ago. I used it pretty much all evening yesterday in the kayfun, just making sure that I gave it the occasional dry hit without firing it. See the bubble make it's way through the tank..all good!

I have to say though, the flavour is definitely more pronounced in the Magma than in the KFL which kinda makes sense I guess. I'll re-wick it differently next time to see if I can enhance the flavour a bit more via the KFL.

Sure doesn't seem like 60/40 to me.

Yeah as great as the Kayfun is with flavor for a tank, it still falls short of dripping for me. I'm very happy with it because of it's ease of use, and reliability for using on the go (never leaks, always works until empty), and how close it gets to dripping with flavor, but at home I'm always using a dripper for maximum flavor.

 

[regal55]

He probably did PP one time for you... but PP doesn't allow e-cig transactions so it would have been a single one time event...

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5...-e-cig-sales-being-banned-by-Paypal/td-p/2454

I don't know what you are talking about.

 

[regal55]

[To explain the post above the VTR go my off cigs, 13 hr days, ultra reliability. Only let me down once and that's just cause I didn't have any coils. Its tough to walk away from that. The last thing you want is to be at hour 8 and have a break down. Its like blowing 2 tires in the middle of the night on a family VA.




We were speaking about the magma, does anyone know of other bottom air hole fed RDA's?

 

[rdsok]

I don't know what you are talking about.

I guess you didn't read the linked page... It is against PayPal's own rules to use it for selling/taking payments for certain tobacco related products including e-cigs and e-liquids. If PayPal finds out, they will close the account of the person/company doing it. So Clay may have been able to slip some transactions through that way but he can't make a habit of it or will risk having his account closed.

Your suggesting using PayPal didn't take that into account...

 

[regal55]

I guess you didn't read the linked page... It is against PayPal's own rules to use it for selling/taking payments for certain tobacco related products including e-cigs and e-liquids. If PayPal finds out, they will close the account of the person/company doing it. So Clay may have been able to slip some transactions through that way but he can't make a habit of it or will risk having his account closed.

Your suggesting using PayPal didn't take that into account...

If I told you I'd have to kill you. Understand now? Go back and look at my original post I suggest you do the same.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I guess you didn't read the linked page... It is against PayPal's own rules to use it for selling/taking payments for certain tobacco related products including e-cigs and e-liquids. If PayPal finds out, they will close the account of the person/company doing it. So Clay may have been able to slip some transactions through that way but he can't make a habit of it or will risk having his account closed.

Your suggesting using PayPal didn't take that into account...

He's being factious..

 

[rdsok]

If I told you I'd have to kill you. Understand now? Go back and look at my original post I suggest you do the same.

Changing your post to not include mentioning PayPal now... doesn't alter what I mentioned or the reasoning for it. I didn't dispute what you mentioned about not sending your CC through an email since it isn't encypted... I disputed your seeming to mention PP as a possible alternate which it isn't for the reason I stated.

 

[regal55]

Changing your post to not include mentioning PayPal now... doesn't alter what I mentioned or the reasoning for it. I didn't dispute what you mentioned about not sending your CC through an email since it isn't encypted... I disputed your seeming to mention PP as a possible alternate which it isn't for the reason I stated.

I didn't know and was covering my tracks we have to look out for our suppliers which is what I was trying to do, I don't know what your motives were. But we are both guilty off blowing convenience for a lot of folks. At least I got mine edited out.

 

[rdsok]

He's being factious..

That's not what I'd say he is being...

 

[Midniteoyl]

That's not what I'd say he is being...

LOL.. Stupid autocorrect.. (On my phone ATM)


Facetious.. He's being facetious

 

[regal55]

I'd say rdosk needs some help from the mods cleaning up his posts and quotes within. I should have been more explicit I guess.

 

[papabogart]

Deleted by papabogart.

 

[boomerdude]

I don't get it. Paypal is an eBay company. Ebay sellers have been selling RDA's and Mods for quite awhile now and there are direct links to Paypal as does Fasttech. Are you talking about tobacco and NET's not being allowed?

I guess you didn't read the linked page... It is against PayPal's own rules to use it for selling/taking payments for certain tobacco related products including e-cigs and e-liquids. If PayPal finds out, they will close the account of the person/company doing it. So Clay may have been able to slip some transactions through that way but he can't make a habit of it or will risk having his account closed.

Your suggesting using PayPal didn't take that into account...

 

[Midniteoyl]

I don't get it. Paypal is an eBay company. Ebay sellers have been selling RDA's and Mods for quite awhile now and there are direct links to Paypal as does Fasttech. Are you talking about tobacco and NET's not being allowed?

And eBay will kill some ecig posting too.. why some and not others, I dont know..

 

[rdsok]

I don't get it. Paypal is an eBay company. Ebay sellers have been selling RDA's and Mods for quite awhile now and there are direct links to Paypal as does Fasttech. Are you talking about tobacco and NET's not being allowed?

Well... I guess that is now up in the air again but at one time not long ago, it was against their terms of use. It was causing quite the stir at that time.

papabogart PM'd ( in order to not debate it here ) me their current terms https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full

I did mention that if stretched... part 2 section A may still allow them to depending on their own definitions they use... but I think it may be a stretch since tobacco products and e-cig stuff isn't specifically defined now as it once was.

 

[Dusty_D]

And eBay will kill some ecig posting too.. why some and not others, I dont know..

Might be similar to here. Clean up when you come across an actionable item.

With the 12 - 15000 posts made on a daily basis, it's kinda tough to moderate every single one as it's happening. We action stuff when we come across it or run searches through the system.

 

[Dusty_D]

KillRY4 from RBFS in a KFL at 1.3ohms and 4V.

I approached it with some trepidation due to having read the seasoned reviews of it on here. As I took my first hit of it, my sweet-tooth went into overdrive, sending subliminal messages to my brain and glands. ZOMG!! Instant drooling idiot.

The tobacco presence is stronger than FVFRY4 from MOV and yet the casings or whatever magic went into the sweetness is more pronounced. The flavours are very similar to what I would term as an RY4 and thus I think the name is well suited to the juice.

To me, as somebody that loves heavy hitters in small vape sessions but really appreciates a mild-mid hitter over the course of the day, this is a Killer RY4. Love it!!

 

[Brobdingnagian]

EDIT:

NET.com has finally come back online... Clay's added a ton of taste looking new NET's and hybrids

What's funny is that the store actually did come back up before I woke up, like I wrote that morning.

No, I had no advance knowledge of this. I just thought it was hilarious that my gut feeling was right.

How are you paying them?

Cash in mail or Western Union.

You can also wire the money to a guy in Switzerland, who will then send the money to him.

LOL j/k.

I couldn't help but respond to that. I just couldn't help myself. Sorry. Still,
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Original Posts/quotes follow:

Well... I guess that is now up in the air again but at one time not long ago, it was against their terms of use. It was causing quite the stir at that time.

papabogart PM'd ( in order to not debate it here ) me their current terms https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full

I did mention that if stretched... part 2 section A may still allow them to depending on their own definitions they use... but I think it may be a stretch since tobacco products and e-cig stuff isn't specifically defined now as it once was.

Hypothetically, were it (Part 2 section A) to be stretched.... (Which I highly doubt, due to the fact it appears as if this section is meant to prohibit/avoid any transactions involving illicit drugs and similar items, which from a business standpoint is understandable- they'd become liable if they allowed them, knew it was going on, and did nothing at all)....

I wonder whether such hypothetical PV/E-cig restrictions would only apply to:

Paypal->Paypal transactions (ie., person A sends person B for product C), or Paypal Debit/Business Debit card transactions (which I used to use at the convenience store to purchase actual tobacco products).

I've used PayPal to purchase things to avoid using my actual CC number at a lot of places in the past.

I don't believe there's going to be an issue, but Part 5, section B may be an issue in the future when it comes to direct paypal processing by businesses (where you're redirected to a Paypal sign-in to complete the purchase) if (and if so, when) Big Tobacco and the FDA have their way in attempting to label e-cigs [I guess you could say 'Personal Vaporizers', because they're not even remotely close to being 'cigarettes'] as "Tobacco Products."

If this is a problem at such point in time, I will find other means of transferring funds or purchasing items (alternatively, I could use Masked cards through Abine's MaskMe, but I only use the free service at this time) on pretty much all websites and I'd pretty much impose a personal boycott in using the service elsewhere, thus limiting my PayPal usage to eBay transactions only.

Might be similar to here. Clean up when you come across an actionable item.

With the 12 - 15000 posts made on a daily basis, it's kinda tough to moderate every single one as it's happening. We action stuff when we come across it or run searches through the system.

Man, that's gotta be rough.

Not that I wouldn't have my hands full, but I would probably attempt to make humorous reasons for removing things.

....gotta be careful with that ban-hammer, though.

The ban-hammer weighs strong.

...but the powah.....moar, moar powah!

EDIT (again): Currently enjoying NETCom's Sun-Cured Turkish mixed with Chris' Blend in the KFL. Keeping it horizontal rather than vertical seems to reduce the gurgle-factor.

 

[billherbst]

KillRY4 from RBFS in a KFL at 1.3ohms and 4V.

I approached it with some trepidation due to having read the seasoned reviews of it on here. As I took my first hit of it, my sweet-tooth went into overdrive, sending subliminal messages to my brain and glands. ZOMG!! Instant drooling idiot.

The tobacco presence is stronger than FVFRY4 from MOV and yet the casings or whatever magic went into the sweetness is more pronounced. The flavours are very similar to what I would term as an RY4 and thus I think the name is well suited to the juice.

To me, as somebody that loves heavy hitters in small vape sessions but really appreciates a mild-mid hitter over the course of the day, this is a Killer RY4. Love it!!

Dusty,

As far as I know (and I mean that seriously, as I'm not 100% certain), RiverBottomFogSauce KillR Y4 is the only NET-based RY4 that uses no additional flavorings (i.e., caramel and vanilla). My understanding is that Brian selected tobaccos for extraction that were cased or topped with caramel and vanilla during the tobacco's processing for retail sale, and the juice is made entirely from the extracts made from macerations of those aromatic tobaccos. QuickNic extracts a tobacco cased/topped with vanilla for their ouR whY qu4tro, but then adds caramel flavoring during mixing. So, no added vanilla in ouR whY qu4tro, but added caramel. Every other NET-based RY4 I've had apparently uses three flavorings---the natural tobacco extract, plus either synthetic or natural caramel and vanilla flavorings.

My caveat is that I can't say for sure that "no added flavorings" might not mean that Brian infused his macerations with caramel and/or vanilla flavorings. That wasn't my understanding, but you never know about tricky wordings. Is there a difference between infusing a flavoring during maceration and adding it during the final mix? Technically, they're both "added" flavorings, so it's possible that "no additional flavorings" refers only to adding flavors during the final mix.

Judging from taste alone (always a dicey proposition), I'd take Brian at his word and presume that he didn't use any additional flavorings either as infusions to the macerations or during the final mix. The caramel and vanilla in KillR Y4 taste so subtle to my palate that they seem like part of the tobacco. To me, this is what gives KillR Y4 its special niche among NET-based RY4s---the extraordinary blending of the three flavors.

That said, the jury is still out on how I judge KillR Y4 relative to the other NET-based RY4s. I like it, but QnJ ouR whY qu4tro, Clay's new tRY4.1 from N-E-T, and my own diy NET Burley Kake RY4 strike me as better "bonafide" or "full-flavor" Custom RY4s, while KillR Y4 seems more like a sweet aromatic tobacco blend that's a kissin' cousin of RY4. I'm not suggesting that KillR Y4 isn't yummy---it is. But I tend to experience it more as a delicious dessert tobacco than a "true" RY4. Nonetheless, I've included it on The Big RY4 List.

 

[clnire]

Hum.... I will have to try mixing my Sutliff Dulce de Leche with my Sutliff Vanilla Royalle.... Or one of the other vanilla tobaccos I have. Never know!