Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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jerms suggestion is right on!
When I first started vaping I wanted tobacco. I got and enjoyed Highbrow's Menthol Tobacco and the regular tobacco it's based on so much so that I thought I'd "found" my tobacco and could move on. Then I wandered in to this thread and things changed. As a company I really like Highbrow's service, responsiveness and how true their Ahlambra Peach is. But, after reading through here and getting some good suggestions I found another world and realized that there are complexities to be had from NETs that weren't being experienced with the Highbrow.
So, enough about me (hehe) Take jerms' suggestion and list others you've tried and thought of. Big buncha knowledgeable folks here with good experience and taste buds.
I cant even remember the make of the ones I have tried. I am thinking about ordering from High Brow. I do know I like Vanilla/Nut/Caramel highlights to my tobacco so maybe a nice RY4 will work for me.
Jerms and 67Tele both provide good suggestions. Another vendor to try is NET.com as you can select the PG/VG ratio all the way up to 100 percent VG. I have had non-NETs that are 100 percent VG and as a general rule IMO the taste is more subtle and it was an adjustment I made for the few that I liked. NET.com has their own custom RY4 (tRY4.1). Although I have not tried it yet, I do have a bottle that I am steeping.
MikeNice posted this article on the different types of tobacco recently and it's helped me identify what I'm tasting and should look for:
Tobacco – A Rough Guide | The Pipe Smoker
Dusty posted a spreadsheet of different blends he's tried with reviews but, I can't seem to find it. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1folBvDP5F7PaCi1gg4SWiX0uEdhE-zBfyOck_9Y80JQ/edit?usp=sharing)
Some vendors have affordable sample packs:
Ether Vapes (plus a discount for first order. see home page): Tobacco Sample Pack : Pick Five
My Vape Juice: https://www.myvapejuice.com/product_info.php/cPath/32/products_id/121/osCsid/3461e4e7e105a22b6349b62a5d23df7b
NET that notso mentioned: Sampler Packs
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you can try small amounts like Jerms told you to do in all 100% VG at MVJ ,MyVapeJuice. Be sure to order the natural tobacco flavors if that's to your liking. Diane has some great flavors to offer....
MyVapeJuice, LLC
Go small with Highbrow, there's a reason they're listed in the C section. I'd suggest trying some of the 100% vg offerings in the A or B tier before them, or Ahlusion or another artificial tobacco vendor. Highbrow-bacco is straight-up weird. For me it's vile, and like I said I'm rarely repulsed by vape flavors. If your gut is saying to try them go ahead, but just one bottle.
Boba's Bounty from avejuice is an all VG artificial tobacco you may want to try. It's been a favorite of VG vapers for years, a true classic.
Hi all,
It's nice to see this thread all alive and well
I haven't been vaping NETs for a while but I've been working on vendor DIY flavorings for realistic tobacco vapes. Some of you might be interested in these.
I tried couple of Inawera tobaccos and they are pretty decent. INW also has several tobacco absolutes. The Virginia TA has a fresh mild tobacco taste and gives an "oily" tobacco character which is similar to some of the aromas you'd smell off your fingers after smoking an analog. It has the "sweeter" part of that aroma without much of the funk. The Cuban Cigar TA has a mild cigar taste to it, more like the wrapper of a cigar.
INW S'Camel mixed with both of the Virginia and Cuban Cigar TA is a very good analog simulation after 2-3 weeks of steeping. It's also easier on the coils than an average NET. INW Am4a is on the pipe side of the spectrum with interesting notes in it. It's very pleasing mixed with Virginia and Cuban Cigar TAs. Although it is harder on the coils than the S'Camel mix but better than an average NET. EcigExpress has a good description of it : Am4a is a pipe tobacco flavor with hints of caramel, coffee, licorice, and a mild aftertaste of tea biscuits.
I also got myself an itaste VV3 -- now I can use the VW mode and read the resistance of coils
I'm also experimenting with adding Distilled/Demineralized water into my juices. I've been using 46/46/8 PG/VG/DW and I'm happy with them. The vape feels less dense than 50/50 and I don't get as parched. No problems with wicking. It's perhaps dimming the flavor a bit it but it can be compensated with a tad bit more flavoring. I need to experiment with this more.
I also got inspired by Bill's post below about simple BCCs and rayon and got myself a Protank II and I'll rewick it with Rayon:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ural-tobaccos-part-deux-258.html#post14568137
I paid $12 shipped Protank II with extra 5 coils -- I had a $5 off coupon from VapingMe. I was considering RTA clones from fasttech but I couldn't decide on one yet. Most of the clones seem to have some quirks and the ones that sounded good for me didn't have glass/pyrex tanks.. I felt like the Protank II will be OK for me for now especially with Rayon. It'll give me time to experiment with recoiling the heads.
By the way, Bill a question for you... I was wondering why you preferred the premade FT coils with silica wicks rather than this style of coils without wicks since you don't use the wicks:
$2.16 Pre-Coiled Welded Wires - NR-R-NR (50-Pack) 50-pack - 33 AWG / 2.4ohm / 32*32mm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
It's nice to see this thread all alive and well
I haven't been vaping NETs for a while but I've been working on vendor DIY flavorings for realistic tobacco vapes. Some of you might be interested in these. I tried couple of Inawera tobaccos and they are pretty decent. INW also has several tobacco absolutes. The Virginia TA has a fresh mild tobacco taste and gives an "oily" tobacco character which is similar to some of the aromas you'd smell off your fingers after smoking an analog. It has the "sweeter" part of that aroma without much of the funk. The Cuban Cigar TA has a mild cigar taste to it, more like the wrapper of a cigar.
INW S'Camel mixed with both of the Virginia and Cuban Cigar TA is a very good analog simulation after 2-3 weeks of steeping. It's also easier on the coils than an average NET. INW Am4a is on the pipe side of the spectrum with interesting notes in it. It's very pleasing mixed with Virginia and Cuban Cigar TAs. Although it is harder on the coils than the S'Camel mix but better than an average NET. EcigExpress has a good description of it : Am4a is a pipe tobacco flavor with hints of caramel, coffee, licorice, and a mild aftertaste of tea biscuits.
I also got myself an itaste VV3 -- now I can use the VW mode and read the resistance of coils
I'm also experimenting with adding Distilled/Demineralized water into my juices. I've been using 46/46/8 PG/VG/DW and I'm happy with them. The vape feels less dense than 50/50 and I don't get as parched. No problems with wicking. It's perhaps dimming the flavor a bit it but it can be compensated with a tad bit more flavoring. I need to experiment with this more.
I also got inspired by Bill's post below about simple BCCs and rayon and got myself a Protank II and I'll rewick it with Rayon:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ural-tobaccos-part-deux-258.html#post14568137
I paid $12 shipped Protank II with extra 5 coils -- I had a $5 off coupon from VapingMe. I was considering RTA clones from fasttech but I couldn't decide on one yet. Most of the clones seem to have some quirks and the ones that sounded good for me didn't have glass/pyrex tanks.. I felt like the Protank II will be OK for me for now especially with Rayon. It'll give me time to experiment with recoiling the heads.
By the way, Bill a question for you... I was wondering why you preferred the premade FT coils with silica wicks rather than this style of coils without wicks since you don't use the wicks:
$2.16 Pre-Coiled Welded Wires - NR-R-NR (50-Pack) 50-pack - 33 AWG / 2.4ohm / 32*32mm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
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Dark Honey Berry (DHB) by River Bottom Fog Sauce (RBFS) available online at www.vapingwatch.com
The Juice: Site description; "Dark Honey Berry is made with Green River Black Cavendish, which has a mild brown-sugar flavor, blended with smooth honey to up the sweetness.. The sweetness is reined in some by a tart berry essence."
The Hardware: Mech with Atomic dripper, 1ohm micro coil of 28ga Kanthal, Koh Gen Do wick.
Ratings are from 1-5 depending on where a juice falls in an attributes spectrum. Only the last rating, "overall", is based on 5 being the best. (For sweetness 1 equals very dry and 5 equals very sweet. For tobacco impact 1 equals very mild tobacco and 5 equals very aggressive and/or complex.)
Sweetness: 3. DHB is a fairly sweet vape, but less than a few of the other new RBFS like KillrY4, Count Caramel, and Admiral's Pipe. The Green River Black Cavendish is drier than the other Black Cav heavy blends from them. The sweetness also has a different feel here with less of the fuller, smooth sweetness, and the berry flavor providing a brighter fruit sweetness. As the description says, there's also a berry tartness in play which reigns the sweetness back.
Tobacco Impact: 3. The tobacco in this blend is Green River Black Cavendish, which is made using Green River Burley. This tobacco plays quite different than the Black Cav used in Caven Fever. The flavor of the tobacco is less buried in casing and presents itself stronger. Closer to a straight Burley tobacco with some nuttiness and a touch of leafiness. I find it more complex and, well, tobacco-y here.
Vapability: 3.5. DHB works when desiring a good fruit tobacco, which admittedly hasn't been that often for me these days. I've always enjoyed fruit tobaccos, but it's not a category I vape for long sessions. The flavor holds up very well though, the notes don't fade or become tiring. There's a fair amount of complexity with the berry, tobacco, and honey, and the interplay between them morphs and keeps it interesting. It sort of demands my attention, so not workable for me as a background vape.
Flavor Accuracy: 4. Petty much as described on the site with one exception; it's not a berry 'essence', it's a berry flavor. That's good though, I'm glad the berry makes a strong showing and I don't have to search for it. The berry is tasty, natural, and a little tart. Honey makes a very small showing here, more of a modifier than an obvious presence.
Overall: 3.5. Berry is certainly a unique flavor to compliment tobacco, a nice change from the more common cherry, apple, and peach. It's a strong showing in the fruit tobacco category. DHB isn't a juice I really want to grab for often though, more for when wanting to mix things up a bit.
The Juice: Site description; "Dark Honey Berry is made with Green River Black Cavendish, which has a mild brown-sugar flavor, blended with smooth honey to up the sweetness.. The sweetness is reined in some by a tart berry essence."
The Hardware: Mech with Atomic dripper, 1ohm micro coil of 28ga Kanthal, Koh Gen Do wick.
Ratings are from 1-5 depending on where a juice falls in an attributes spectrum. Only the last rating, "overall", is based on 5 being the best. (For sweetness 1 equals very dry and 5 equals very sweet. For tobacco impact 1 equals very mild tobacco and 5 equals very aggressive and/or complex.)
Sweetness: 3. DHB is a fairly sweet vape, but less than a few of the other new RBFS like KillrY4, Count Caramel, and Admiral's Pipe. The Green River Black Cavendish is drier than the other Black Cav heavy blends from them. The sweetness also has a different feel here with less of the fuller, smooth sweetness, and the berry flavor providing a brighter fruit sweetness. As the description says, there's also a berry tartness in play which reigns the sweetness back.
Tobacco Impact: 3. The tobacco in this blend is Green River Black Cavendish, which is made using Green River Burley. This tobacco plays quite different than the Black Cav used in Caven Fever. The flavor of the tobacco is less buried in casing and presents itself stronger. Closer to a straight Burley tobacco with some nuttiness and a touch of leafiness. I find it more complex and, well, tobacco-y here.
Vapability: 3.5. DHB works when desiring a good fruit tobacco, which admittedly hasn't been that often for me these days. I've always enjoyed fruit tobaccos, but it's not a category I vape for long sessions. The flavor holds up very well though, the notes don't fade or become tiring. There's a fair amount of complexity with the berry, tobacco, and honey, and the interplay between them morphs and keeps it interesting. It sort of demands my attention, so not workable for me as a background vape.
Flavor Accuracy: 4. Petty much as described on the site with one exception; it's not a berry 'essence', it's a berry flavor. That's good though, I'm glad the berry makes a strong showing and I don't have to search for it. The berry is tasty, natural, and a little tart. Honey makes a very small showing here, more of a modifier than an obvious presence.
Overall: 3.5. Berry is certainly a unique flavor to compliment tobacco, a nice change from the more common cherry, apple, and peach. It's a strong showing in the fruit tobacco category. DHB isn't a juice I really want to grab for often though, more for when wanting to mix things up a bit.
I have both styles---wicked and not wicked---in about 8 packs of 50 coils acquired over the last year or so. Different gauges, different coil diameters, different resistances, some micro-coils, some spaced coils, some regular nichrome, some NR-R-NR. I've even gone sub-ohm on some of my bottom-feeders with a pack of big honking 26ga pre-wound coils that were supposed to be 1 ohm but always meter out to about 0.5. Wow, with a fresh 18650 that's 35 watts of power and 8.4 amps of current draw!
Recently on the Kanger head rebuilds,I've been using a pack of the NR-R-NR coils with single silica wicks because they're spaced coils, 32ga, with a slightly larger inner diameter, which is easier to wick and lets me use a bit more rayon without choking the coil. I'm not convinced that NR-R-NR coils are better, and sometimes one of the solder joints breaks, so I might change to a different style tomorrow.
I still wrap my own coils for my Kayfuns, Orchid, and Erkonigin, however.
Bill, with those 0.5 ohm coils and a with 35 watts of power and 8.4 amps of current draw, your hardware will be lighting up like a lighthouse on the Oregon Coast
Thank you for the further info on these coils. I might get both styles and see which one(s) I can make it work better with my fat fingers
I agree with you on the great taste of Westminster! I also am enjoying Mavrodaphine, Capitol stairs, Sasieni, Artisan's, and Meat Pie, all in 100%VG, while I await the macerations I began last week at room temperature
I didn't include the meat pie in my order. Being Australian means I identify a meat pie strongly with a traditional iconic food here so the idea of getting a meat pie liquid addled my brain even though I know 'meat pie' denotes the strength of the flavour or its body.
Oh well, there is no such thing as a perfect order.
The liquids I am looking forward to the most in my order are as follows:
Home and Hearths Louisiana Red
Home and Hearths Stogie Pipe
Captain Black Dark Pipe
Ashton's Rainy Day
Man'o'war Ruination (I also have this extract from Walkers Tobacco Alternatives)
Hudson
Actually.. Scrap that. I am looking forward to all of them.
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Give them 3 weeks to steep. They don't merely get better during the steep, they transform.
That said, my experience with HHV is that they have changed and the liquids aren't as flavorsome as they used to be, either that, or my taste buds changed.
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I always feel like I forgot to order something the moment I hit confirm order. That's with every order I have ever placed...lol
However, I'm actually diggin the H&H Stogie Pipe at two weeks old; vaping it as I type. Tried it in the Origen then filled up a small tank. Can't really pinpoint anything other than the sweetness of the cigar leaf but like I said, really liking how it is now. Will let it steep a little more to see how it develops though.
This was my first order from MVJ and I can tell they are good quality. Even at their young age, they have some surprisingly good flavor from them. Now if I can just wait till they (especially the cigar ones) develop more, I'll be happy...lol
Jerms said:
I concur regarding Highbrow- I have a family member who ordered a large number of e-juices from them.
I even tried a couple of the menthols, being a former menthol combuster (and my relatives vape mostly all menthol) myself.
They did not re-order from Highbrow; next order was Goodejuice: However, their NETs are mixed to 50/50, so that's a negative for those sensitive to either.
Myvapejuice and Naturally-extracted-tobacco additionally offer NETs in 100% VG, in addition to Heather's Heavenly Vapes (though take care to read the descriptions as a few of them contain PG in the extractives).
Additionally, while I have not tried Boba's Bounty, I have heard highly overwhelmingly positive reviews of it.
While Highbrow didn't deliver the results my family was looking for, the bottle sticker and descriptions were thorough on the website...
...Others may find them to be the best around.
There's always two sides to the same coin, and that's my
.Absolutely, the problem with the NR-R-NR wires and coils offered is that solder melts at a significantly lower temperature than it would take to make a coil pop. (I've had it happen once. Breaking them is more common, IME)
I have a bag of 4Ω NR-R-NR wires that I was using to wrap coils for my Magma (since it was cut to the perfect length for me to adjust the resistance and straighten out kinks and loose legs that fail to contact the wick) by feeding or applying tension to the coil from the rear tail of wire sticking out of the negative post, with the bit/screwdriver inside of it still.
The NR-R-NR wire became really bothersome when fed into an EVOD classic coil head (which are sadly becoming harder to find, but the classic EVOD does have its own share of random leaking problems and condensation accumulation), because dry burning (even short pulses) was/is a gamble as to whether you would melt the solder or not. However, there are still some devices that are impossible to rebuild properly without the use of NR-R-NR wire, at least for me.
At those power levels, it doesn't surprise me that the solder would melt and snap the join apart.
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ALSO, I would like to thank whomever it was that first mentioned the Eleaf iStick.
I found a seller (vapenw sold out before I could get one; search for vapeoutlet on eBay if they're still out of stock) that offered the iStick at a comparable price (less, with option to add USB cable [I don't think it cost me anything extra to do this], with a 3' pretty solid and low-gauge micro-usb cord. Pretty much, its my late birthday present to myself
Also, the seller allowed me the opportunity to donate some dollars to help out military veterans, with 100% of the proceeds collected being donated.
I felt that was a great thing to include as an option during checkout, besides, my birthday is pretty much a few days apart from the Marine Corps birthday / Veteran's Day; Pay it forward, make a difference. Not trying to inflate myself here, that's just how I feel about....well, pretty much everything.
So, how does it vape?: Well, those of you who have read...well, pretty much mostly all of my posts mentioning a VAMO... way, way better. I had a 1.8Ω build, perfectly spaced; no hot legs, wick the perfect thickness for the coil...
...this thing starts heating the juice so quickly, that at 3V (forget the specific wattage displayed on the device at the time) it was not only vaporizing the juice in the Magma extremely quickly, but it was almost burning it. Rebuild time.
Hit 2.2Ω, chucked the nichrome NR-R-NR and stuck 32awg A-1 TEMCO Kanthal in there, Ko-Gen-Do wick.
Holy. Crap.
Not only was the flavor like a sucker-punch, it was actually crisp and flavorful and there was a whole heck of a lot of it.
Loads of vapor, too...
But, I'm talking about FLAVOR, here.
The Magma: Good on the VAMO, AWESOME on the iStick.
Battery: Supposedly a 2200mAh 18650, as tear-downs of the device show. Passthrough capability pretty much eliminates the need for a second battery to carry around- a big plus. While one can charge this device while vaping with a 1A wall-plug, a 500~ mAh phone charger seemed to get the job done, but I can't recommend (or advise) vaping and charging on a phone charger.
Other: 510 adapter was included. No idea if it's necessary to fire the device, but I just stuck it on there and used it that way. Top and bottom of device uses T5 star bolts. (or at least, it fits a T5 star-bit from my kit) If you don't have markings on your bits, it's the one a little bigger than the tiny bit you can still identify with a star-like shape. I'm not going to tear mine down unless it stops working, but at that point I will be trying to MacGyver a VTC5 into it.
Pbusardo's breakdown of the iStick shows the wiring section that connects to the battery. Seems pretty straightforward. If any of you decide or ever attempt to do such a thing, please let me know the results.
Power: I've probably had the iStick plugged in for maybe around 3-4 hours (between while vaping and just leaving it sit there) since I got it on Saturday. This is seriously freaking me out. I've gone through way more juice than with the VAMO, but I've been enjoying it more slowly per vape session... but I still haven't ran this battery empty, I really have no idea about capacity and all that.
BUT.... This thing is amazing me. The money I spent on the VAMO v5 from Fasttech, a pair of VTC5's, another pair of 'Fire' batteries that were retired, I could have gotten two of these.
Overall: Great device, but I would not advise building it at 1Ω unless you're using some sturdy wick. Like I said, 1.8Ω was too high for me (and I like a warm vape) and I had to step it down. No idea if it's just the cotton rejecting such high pulses of heat around that level, the way I'm wicking it, or what, but that's just been my experience.
My Opinion: I can no longer recommend the VAMO, in good conscience. If you decide to get the eLeaf iStick, please get a decent sized and appropriately flexible USB cable. If you're using your computer to plug in and use as a passthrough/charger, please make sure the computer's power supply has enough voltage to supply the USB port with enough power.
Most newer computers will not have any issues, but the power supplies in some computers are woefully inadequate. If you're not sure, a powered USB hub or appropriate wall-plug charger will be sufficient.
Also: Anyone seen those Spinner 2's? Not bad for the price, even on eBay. 1600mAh around ~14$ shipped, not bad for a VV device with a fixed battery. They've even made improvements to the wheel at the bottom to make it easier to turn; looks more level at the base so you can place it standing up more easily.
Good point! I haven't thought about melting the solder when dry burning. I'm planning to dry burn these coils when rebuilding them for the PT2.
I got some EVOD rebuild parts from Lightning. The silicon grommets are great. Using 1.5 ohm NR-R-NR wire on Ekowool is my standard rebuild for 30+ EVODS I have. Always a fresh one at hand. The one problem I have is snapping the air tube off at the glue joint when cleaning. Since switching to tapered pipe cleaners it's become less of a PIA. FT still sells the 10 pack of clones for less than $20USD which is a good buy in my book. the small 1.6 ml juice volume is great for lining up five of them with different juices I want to try.
Great choices! Love Johni's Louisiana Red, Diana's Stogie and do NOT forget a small order of Meat Pie from MVJ..... the crust is outstanding!
That is what I am going to do. I just went to a local shop today and bought a 34 ml bottle of 'Smokeless Symphony' which is an RY4 variant. It is pretty good...but the highest Nic level is 12 mg. I usually vape 18 mg.
You should be ok, TBH. Just keep the wattage/voltage way down when dry burning and cook off the gunk, I don't think I quenched them in water when they were glowing (obviously after I let off the button and with extreme care) hot still, but I do that with my kanthal. What's funny is that gunk burns itself off of there pretty much on its own when it builds a significant layer.
After you've dry-burned it a few times, though- try not to bend or shift the coil position a whole bunch. (kanthal loves being moved while it's scalding hot)
What broke coils for me (aside from maybe two where the solder just unjoined suddenly during a quick pulse to check the heat distribution of the coil) was just making the wick too darn big. If you get resistance when you start to feed the wick through, stop. Sometimes a twist will get it through, but if it doesn't pass in with just a light one, you've got too much cotton. So, at least I've figured that bit out. The problem is when one continues to try and just barely get that wick in there.
This causes a curious situation: when/if the gunk builds up to a certain extent, you will have a very tough time removing the wick from the coil without some work; it's only happened to me once or twice, but the wick actually became encapsulated inside of the gunk and became one with the coil... or something.
Anyways, if it's non-contact and you try to force the barely-small-enough-to-fit wick in there, it's going to smoosh your coils like an accordion and possibly snap them when you pull it out.
I even had a stint where I absolutely could not figure out the optimal wick and coil diameter for an EVOD, while my old readyxwick pretty much just stuck in one place and rarely leaked juice. The air tube condensation was, however, still present- possibly a result of not clearing vapor out of the EVOD and allowing it to accumulate.
To this day, I am not able to perfectly master the leaking problem with the EVOD. I've found 1.5Ω versions of the prebuilds sucked and had no flavor. Spacing the coils out helped a little, but non-contact, higher-resistance coils seem to produce more flavor. However, blind luck and guessing actually managed to get me through. That leaking on the contact problem I keep having... it reminds me of when I used to buy the packs of coils: some coils would leak, others would have absolutely no problems.
Then again, some of this (or all of it) may be redundant, re-stated information.
It's been my experience and my opinions, though.
....but, I'm the guy sitting over here wondering why everything manufactured is going dual-coil, (and then when it comes to the RBAs/RDAs) quad-coil, octo-coil, bambalam-coil or whatever they're using these days. I attempt to blank my mind of all preconceived notions I might have towards any specific piece of vaping equipment, then take a short vape off the Magma... and just think, "Why? One coil is like a cannon."
...then I remember that not everything works like a Magma.
However, when I was exclusively using EVODs and my MAPP Kayfun Lite clone, I found that the wick material made the biggest impact to vapor production. So far, KGD has been the best, silica the worst. Utilizing KGD cotton (or equivalent) can pull off flavor production that's quite similar (it's been a little while since my KFL broke, so it might be more similar than I recall) to the KFL without having a whole bunch of liquid to vape in a huge tank.
The whole multi-coil thing reminds me of the iClear16 in a way. Didn't really taste different to me, but gobbled up juice way faster than my EVODs, while rebuilding one iClear16 coil head with a single-coil NR-R-NR (time consuming and frustrating. just trust me
) wire and KGD cotton produced better flavor and vapor than the dual-coil silica head, according to the person I gave the rebuilt head to.In fact, they were so surprised they started trying to hand others their PV just to show them what they weren't tasting in their e-liquids...
Anyways...
Since you guys last saw me post (not counting the previous one) I have done significant damage to my e-liquid stash.
I have a few Cavs I was saving, timing was right because apparently I'm developing vaper's tongue again; Latakia and Burley taste almost exactly the same, and that just ain't right.
I'm not brave enough to vape 24mg in this thing. I remember how I felt vaping a single puff of 36mg in an EVOD, and it was repulsive.
My thoughts:
(Warning: Heavy Snus Discussion)
How some people vape at 48mg is really, really beyond me, and while I realize this may be an unfair comparison: I was a fairly frequent snus user in the past (for reference, 1 portion of Thunder snus [very strong snus] generally contains 16mg, or 1.6% per portion = about ~3/4 gram, give or take) and I'm fairly certain heavy nic users could step down those levels with a Magma, KFL, or similar.
Suppose a 48mg vaper vapes 1ml per hour. That's over 2 times what a snus user consumes, if they have a portion per hour, but many don't.
Often, portions will be used several hours apart, but varies. When it comes to Lös (the loose form of snus), you've got too many variables to contend with, such as prilla size (pressed piece of loose snus, as opposed to a pre-measured portion) and different nicotine strengths.
However, there is a growing demand for even lower nicotine pieces of snus than are currently available. Thunder is considered one of the stronger 'Extra Sterk (strong)' brands.
"Traditional" brands may contain 10% per gram (Ettan has 8.5%) or less
Though this thread is dedicated to Natural Tobaccos and NETs, I will end my snus discussion at this point (unless it pertains to snus as a NET) just to keep the OT-ification down a notch.
& RE: AnthonyB: Where in the heck did you find this Man-o-war tobacco at? Due to its name, I must have it.
Thanks in advance.
That's all for now.
EDIT: Ok, I have to say this before I forget: Throughout all of our experiences with Latakia, and the different vendors, blends, and reviews.... there appear to be several different types of predominant Latakia flavors;
#1: "Burnt Tire"
#2: "Campfire"
#3: "Camptire" (Somewhere between the first two)
#4: "Smokey"
#5: "Woodsy"
#6: "Spicy"
Finally, we have...
#7: "Whatakia?", which I am currently experiencing. I can't really taste the Latakia due to the vaper's tongue, hence "What Latakia"? = "Whatakia?"
Here are some proposed ideas for naming lacks of specific flavors in blends/juices that ought be there:
-Whurley
-Wherginia
-Wherique
-Whervendish
-Whurkish
No offense to Virginia, Virginians, Turkish, or working people intended [say the last one out loud]. Seriously, though, I don't think anyone will use this system; "I'm getting a bit of Cavendish and Turkish, but Wherique
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