Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[boomerdude]

That GH AK Dark Rolling TB sounds interesting. Think I may give that one a go. Their Black Irish X is pretty good and the Brown Bogie vapes suspiciously close to BBMP.

hi net folks.
been enjoying dipping into this huge thread on and off , no so much ready made stuff in the UK so was a bit jealous.
I am a great fan of house of liquids nets, but curiosity got the better of me so I decided to have a go at doing some of my own extractions.
Very enjoyable results too
too impatient to wait weeks so i simply heated the tobbaco in the small pan with pg for a short period then decanted the mix into jars.
at the moment i simply syringe the fluid through a teabag strait from the jar, and dilute or not to taste.

1, Cigar ,Partagus Habana no 6 is very nice delicate and sweet , much much sweeter than i expected. vaped neat with maybe a touch of nic for a bit of pepper .
would be nice to achieve a more concentrated flavour with this one.
2, Gawith Hoggarth black cavendish so many nuances , reminds me of a dark porter ale, delicate but sturdy fruits, vaped diluted with 40%pg plus nic for pepper.
3, Gawith Hoggarth AK dark rolling tobacco, not given this a proper outing yet but much more savoury pungent a hint of ash almost , dry too but still with a hint of sweetness. 40%pg plus nic to taste,

One thing on vaping style unlike what seems 99% of people i do not inhale just let it roll around mouth and nose.

what a sublime experience vaping nets is

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[MikeNice81]

1, Cigar ,Partagus Habana no 6 is very nice delicate and sweet , much much sweeter than i expected. vaped neat with maybe a touch of nic for a bit of pepper .
would be nice to achieve a more concentrated flavour with this one.
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A 45 day soak in PG before filtering will help. With cigars more time is better. Also, letting the finished juice mix age will take some of the bright, sweet, hay, and grassy notes out.

 

[Ohio Points]

I've been surprised by how sweet many of the NETS I have are, especially the pipe tobaccos, they also seem to get sweeter as the finished juice ages...eg.my MM Great Dane is now like a Candied Cherry Vanilla Dessert tobacco.

Anyone else notice this?

 

[Jerms]

I've been surprised by how sweet many of the NETS I have are, especially the pipe tobaccos, they also seem to get sweeter as the finished juice ages...eg.my MM Great Dane is now like a Candied Cherry Vanilla Dessert tobacco.

Anyone else notice this?

NETs truly run the entire range from completely dry to sickly sweet.

The ingredients used for casing tobacco often include things such as sugar, corn syrup, and flavorings. Those ingredients are easily transferred during extraction to the NET. The biggest factor in how sweet a macerated NET is depends on how the tobacco used has been cased.

Cavendish cured tobacco makes for by far the sweetest NETs, as Cavendish is heavily cased. I'm vaping Caven Fever from RBFS, a black cav NET, and it's very sweet. I'm enjoying CV much more than I have in the past. The sweetness is a nice change of pace from the drier tobaccos I've been vaping lately and I'm really appreciating the creaminess of it.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

In regards to the NET vapors that actually seem to "bother" people, it seems like really spicy or woodsy tobaccos can lead them to think it smells like tobacco smoke. I believe this to be a direct result of the "Smokey" or "Woodsy" characteristic of smoked tobaccos or Latakia (depends on what wood it's smoked in, amongst other factors) seem to be the quickest triggers to people that something smells like smoke. The tobacco scent accompanying it might also bother folks? I don't know.

One of my friends told me that his wife complained he smelled like cigarettes whenever he had been hanging around me. ...I was vaping Latakia.

Then again, whenever I vaped anything with a modicum of Cavendish in it, regardless of vendor or source, he'd tell me that he didn't mind; It didn't smell like tobacco at all to him; just a pleasant aroma of vanilla, chocolate and spices in the background. Really haven't had any other comments, to be honest.

What actually brought this to my attention was running out of everything except Cavendish for a whole week; I may never have noticed otherwise.

RE: VB-

When I enjoyed Vita Bella, it was when I ordered 10ml bottles. The first bottle was amazing. I could vape it and the entire room would smell great. Same with the second. So, when I placed an order for a 30ml bottle and found it to be considerably disappointing compared to the smaller 10ml bottles I had previously received.
I ordered again- some time later, and after I'd been vaping different liquids in the meanwhile. 30ml bottle again, thinking maybe I just didn't use it properly. Same result.

Now.....this was all in the EVODs and such with the wicks being the way they are, I last vaped VB on readyxwick using a VAMO v5 in an EVOD.

Unfortunately, this is where my relationship with VB ended.

I have not, however, given it a shot in the Magma.

...and I probably won't have to, considering my desire to start home-brewing tobacco tea extracts.

One of these days, though...

I'd love to toss some vanilla beans in a maceration [in the distant future, obviously] but am unsure how they'd fare.

It has been said that GeJ uses a very unique vanilla that they worked quite hard to source. It has a very nuanced and natural flavor, at best as I can recall.

...wow...that was a while ago.

 

[UnclePsyko]

I've been surprised by how sweet many of the NETS I have are, especially the pipe tobaccos, they also seem to get sweeter as the finished juice ages...eg.my MM Great Dane is now like a Candied Cherry Vanilla Dessert tobacco.

Anyone else notice this?

Yeah... What Jerms said! I've noticed that some are quite sweet as well. There have been a few that are just a bit much when it comes to being cloyingly sweet.
The Black Cav from NET.com is still one of my favorites, it has a smokiness that for me tames the sweetness and brings it down a notch or two. The smokiness seems to develop and round out over time without "drying out" the sweetness... I think it's fantastic stuff.
jeez, I'm such a NETcom fanboi!

NETs truly run the entire range from completely dry to sickly sweet.

The ingredients used for casing tobacco often include things such as sugar, corn syrup, and flavorings. Those ingredients are easily transferred during extraction to the NET. The biggest factor in how sweet a macerated NET is depends on how the tobacco used has been cased.

Cavendish cured tobacco makes for by far the sweetest NETs, as Cavendish is heavily cased. I'm vaping Caven Fever from RBFS, a black cav NET, and it's very sweet. I'm enjoying CV much more than I have in the past. The sweetness is a nice change of pace from the drier tobaccos I've been vaping lately and I'm really appreciating the creaminess of it.

Good to know! The Cavendish styles are so complex and the range of flavor profiles makes them very intriguing.

 

[UnclePsyko]

In regards to the NET vapors that actually seem to "bother" people, it seems like really spicy or woodsy tobaccos can lead them to think it smells like tobacco smoke. I believe this to be a direct result of the "Smokey" or "Woodsy" characteristic of smoked tobaccos or Latakia (depends on what wood it's smoked in, amongst other factors) seem to be the quickest triggers to people that something smells like smoke. The tobacco scent accompanying it might also bother folks? I don't know.

One of my friends told me that his wife complained he smelled like cigarettes whenever he had been hanging around me. ...I was vaping Latakia.

Then again, whenever I vaped anything with a modicum of Cavendish in it, regardless of vendor or source, he'd tell me that he didn't mind; It didn't smell like tobacco at all to him; just a pleasant aroma of vanilla, chocolate and spices in the background. Really haven't had any other comments, to be honest.

What actually brought this to my attention was running out of everything except Cavendish for a whole week; I may never have noticed otherwise.

Yeah, I hear that. Latakia is the only vape that I'm shunned for at home... my wife HATES the aroma. She thinks it smells like a musty wood stove. Can you believe that!?!
I rarely vape out in the wild so I don't get much feedback, but when I do, I get compliments from others nearby on the occasion I break out the Cavendish. I can see them out of the corner of my eye sniffing the air trying to figure out where that is coming from. Fun little experiments to do while acting like I don't see them and don't care...

RE: VB-

When I enjoyed Vita Bella, it was when I ordered 10ml bottles. The first bottle was amazing. I could vape it and the entire room would smell great. Same with the second. So, when I placed an order for a 30ml bottle and found it to be considerably disappointing compared to the smaller 10ml bottles I had previously received.
I ordered again- some time later, and after I'd been vaping different liquids in the meanwhile. 30ml bottle again, thinking maybe I just didn't use it properly. Same result.

Now.....this was all in the EVODs and such with the wicks being the way they are, I last vaped VB on readyxwick using a VAMO v5 in an EVOD.

Unfortunately, this is where my relationship with VB ended.

I have not, however, given it a shot in the Magma.

...and I probably won't have to, considering my desire to start home-brewing tobacco tea extracts.

One of these days, though...

I'd love to toss some vanilla beans in a maceration [in the distant future, obviously] but am unsure how they'd fare.

It has been said that GeJ uses a very unique vanilla that they worked quite hard to source. It has a very nuanced and natural flavor, at best as I can recall.

...wow...that was a while ago.

Careful... Bringing up VB will draw the ire of a certain Mod!
I've tried home extracts with varying degrees of failure... The very first one I threw together (Borkum Riff Bourbon) was stellar! Everything else since then has been dismal. I admire those who can do it repeatedly.

 

[Influence]

Received 2 days ago my order from TPR, including Candied Cavendish, Honey-Fig and Burley Candy. Lovely packaging For my taste, their place is definitely in the A-tier list...
Vape them straight from the mailbox and really enjoyed the flavor right away, but I'll let them aging a bit as I suspect huge potential in those 3 Nets

 

[Jerms]

Received 2 days ago my order from TPR, including Candied Cavendish, Honey-Fig and Burley Candy. Lovely packaging For my taste, their place is definitely in the A-tier list...
Vape them straight from the mailbox and really enjoyed the flavor right away, but I'll let them aging a bit as I suspect huge potential in those 3 Nets

Good stuff! I've had all of TPR's 'baccos except their newer Dutch Cocoa NET, which I'm meaning to try. Not all winners for me, about 50/50, but the good ones were quite enjoyable. They were one of my earlier NET purchases. The only reorder I've made is for the Smooth & Mild, my favorite arti-bacco, but I can see picking up the 3 you ordered again sometime.

 

[Influence]

Received the Dutch Cocoa Tobacco as freebie, not tasted yet but smells fantastic, but it's not a NET. The Creamy Chai Latte, the banana pudding and pistachio pudding are yummy lol
Was expected that the NETs would be quite sweet, surprising they aren't. The tobacco extract is well present in the juice. By steeping them I guess they'll get naturally sweetened

 

[Jerms]

Received the Dutch Cocoa Tobacco as freebie, not tasted yet but smells fantastic, but it's not a NET. The Creamy Chai Latte, the banana pudding and pistachio pudding are yummy lol
Was expected that the NETs would be quite sweet, surprising they aren't. The tobacco extract is well present in the juice. By steeping them I guess they'll get naturally sweetened

Dutch Cocoa is a NET, according to the site anyway.

 

[Influence]

You're right. Was confused by the fact that it is not listed in the House Extracted (NET) section. If I know about that before, I would probably ordered 30ml...

 

[Jerms]

You're right. Was confused by the fact that it is not listed in the House Extracted (NET) section. If I know about that before, I would probably ordered 30ml...

Let me know what you think when you try it. Chocolate can be really hard to do well. I've had two very good choco-NETs though: Cocoa Blend from Ahl-s now defunct aro line and Admiral's Pipe from RBFS.

 

[Smocian257]

how should I be storing this for long term? I have a silly amount of NET's at this point, freezer? fridge?

 

[Jerms]

how should I be storing this for long term? I have a silly amount of NET's at this point, freezer? fridge?

Dark place and sealed juice stores for quite a while. Glass or PET plastic stores better than soft plastic. Fridge is an option, as long as it's not exposed to light often. I'd consider that overkill though unless you plan on storing for a couple years.

 

[AnthonyB]

I've experienced exactly the same misadventure not with HHV but with few other well known vendors. I think many of us did. IMO it's a lack of control/taste at the final batch. If the bottle is 5 or 6 ml I don't bother but if the bottle is 30 or more, I write an email to the shop explaining the issue and several days later I receive a replacement bottle with the same juice, perfect this time + an extra gift eliquid + few words of excuses.

So it's not just me.

I might write them an email. I'm not so much concerned at the lost money back to lack of fidelity in the product and a desire to get a booty that would be befitting of Nicki Minaj!

Size 6 booty ain't doing it for me.


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[AnthonyB]

A 45 day soak in PG before filtering will help. With cigars more time is better. Also, letting the finished juice mix age will take some of the bright, sweet, hay, and grassy notes out.

Extracting cigars is a challenging art that requires the patience of a poker player or fine wine fermentation.

Those who can do it right are in a very select breed of extractor. I'm about to go back and sample a batch of cigar extracts I macerated 6 months ago with a 48 hour warm bath heat assisted method.

I am not afraid to turn the heat up on cigar extractions because cigars have much fewer sugars that could caramelise unlike a pipe tobacco which are more heavily cased.


If they are any good I am keen on sharing them.


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[MikeNice81]

Extracting cigars is a challenging art that requires the patience of a poker player or fine wine fermentation.

Those who can it right are in a very select breed of extractor. I'm about to go back and sample a batch of cigar extracts I macerated 6 months ago with a 48 hour warm bath heat assisted method. I am not afraid to turn the heat up on them because cigars have much fewer sugars that could caramelise unlike a pipe tobacco which are more heavily cased.


If they are any good I am keen on sharing them.


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If you're not careful though you can muddy everything up. It tastes like "barnyard" soup and grass. Not a pleasant combination. Everything about a cigar is a matter of balance, patience, and aging. A good piece of tobacco for a ciga is already at least a year old before it is used, most of the time. When dealing with cigars patience is the best virtue. Everything is a game of time and artistry. Even the way you smoke a stick is a precise thing. You never puff it like a cigarette, one puff every 45 - 60 seconds is the prefered pace. Trying to rush it when you get down to the extraction stage is pretty counter productive and goes against the basic nature of the cigar.

I think that is one of the biggest problems that net extractors run in to with cigars. They ignore the nature of the cigar experience. From birth to nub, cigars are a game of time and artistry. Try letting the next one rest in a "tupperdor" for about three weeks with a 69% Boveda pack and then chop it up for processing. If you're doing something like a Carlos Torano try giving it six weeks. As the cigar relaxes and reaches balance you will notice the grass and other things disappear. The "blender's intent" will shine through and you may just end up with something better than you expected.

 

[Smocian257]

If you're not careful though you can muddy everything up. It tastes like "barnyard" soup and grass. Not a pleasant combination. Everything about a cigar is a matter of balance, patience, and aging. A good piece of tobacco for a ciga is already at least a year old before it is used, most of the time. When dealing with cigars patience is the best virtue. Everything is a game of time and artistry. Even the way you smoke a stick is a precise thing. You never puff it like a cigarette, one puff every 45 - 60 seconds is the prefered pace. Trying to rush it when you get down to the extraction stage is pretty counter productive and goes against the basic nature of the cigar.

I think that is one of the biggest problems that net extractors run in to with cigars. They ignore the nature of the cigar experience. From birth to nub, cigars are a game of time and artistry. Try letting the next one rest in a "tupperdor" for about three weeks with a 69% Boveda pack and then chop it up for processing. If you're doing something like a Carlos Torano try giving it six weeks. As the cigar relaxes and reaches balance you will notice the grass and other things disappear. The "blender's intent" will shine through and you may just end up with something better than you expected.

Has anyone tried extracting the individual constituent tobacco types and then mixing those to flavor? Get wrapper leaf and do a seperate extraction from the filler leaf?

 

[UnclePsyko]

Has anyone tried extracting the individual constituent tobacco types and then mixing those to flavor? Get wrapper leaf and do a seperate extraction from the filler leaf?

I've considered it, but never did it.
I was wondering myself if the wrapper, binder and filler were extracted separately, left to age individually and then mix fresh before vaping.
I'm not very consistent with my extractions so I didn't want to waste a decent cigar.