Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Johntodd]

Love this thread, but haven't had time to read it all.

I'm keenly interested in NETs. Can someone throw me a link to a page/site that subjectively describes what all the tobacco and preparations are like? Taste, room note, etc. I like tobacco vapes and am going to DIY my juice soon. Need more tobacco knowledge!

Thanks!
-Johntodd

 

[boomerdude]

You can't do any better than to read Part One and Part Deux. Also checkout the NETTY awards thread.

Love this thread, but haven't had time to read it all.

I'm keenly interested in NETs. Can someone throw me a link to a page/site that subjectively describes what all the tobacco and preparations are like? Taste, room note, etc. I like tobacco vapes and am going to DIY my juice soon. Need more tobacco knowledge!

Thanks!
-Johntodd

 

[love coffee]

I have also been absent from this thread, but not from my NETs! I just have to chime in here and give some love to EV for Confederate. OMG, WHY did I wait so long to try this??? Nectar of the tobacco gods, this one is.

So, I must have missed the dissing on Burley. Need I remind you all that the best use of burley can be found in NET.com's Uncle BJ's Blackberry Burley??? THAT is the NET that started this all for me, and one I still keep on hand, no matter what.

Finally, I must have missed the NETTY awards thread - where might I find it?

Edited to add: NVM - I found the NETTY thread.

 

[AnthonyB]

I have confederate and other EV liquids on the steep while I try to vape up some older liquids, but I think it might time to start ploughing into the considerable Ethervapes liquids I have, especially confederate.


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[boomerdude]

I've been using sub-tanks and KV4's at .5 - 1 ohm exclusively for the past 10 days. Almost all of my NET's taste different and better for the most part. I can pick up the subtleties and tobacco notes much better. It's great going back to some of the NET's I gave up on, only to find them a lot better than I originally thought.

I've always used Kanger products but after watching Phil and Dimitri's video of the Kanger factory and using their Subtanks, I have a fan-boy attitude going.

I use the Kayfun 4's with the ICig sub-ohm kit and nickel wire with a DNA40 with .18 ohm 420F settings.. Very nice but not better than the Kanger Sub-tanks. Maybe equal but the Kanger is a lot easier to set up and use. The coils can be re-wicked in place or rebuilt in total very easily.

Today I'm trying the Kanger dripping coil. Charlemagne, Mellow Mack, Burma Road and several cigar juices I previously gave up on are in the Que.

I was really impressed with MacBaren's Danish Burley. Best Burley vape I've experienced hands down. Subtanks .8 ohm at 22W. Burley heaven.

 

[MikeNice81]

Agreed on the La Jugada. Very strong flavor profile and an excellent candidate for extraction. I wonder how the Curivari Reserva Limitada Cafe Noir would do, it's like smoking a chocolate bar.

I smoke a cigar every evening after dinner. I've pretty much become a Habanos snob and only smoke a handful of Nicaraguans any more, but there are a few that I still adore. For anyone interested who still isn't against an occasional stogie since they picked up vaping, I strongly recommend the following. Cubans: San Cristobal de La Habana El Principe, Saint Luis Rey Regios and Serie A, Trinidad Reyes, Cohiba Robusto, Ramon Allones Specially Selected, and Punch Punch. Nicaraguans: Illusione Original. I love these. Really good in Churchill and Lonsdale formats, the 888 Slam and f9. Maybe the one Central American cigar I feel can stand proudly with the Cubans. Also a fan of Curivari, Casa Fernandez and Viaje, which surprise, all use tobacco from the same farm as the Illusione line. Good stuff. Sorry guys, didn't mean to derail.

Oh, so glad I'm not the only one. I've gotten back up to a cigar nearly every day and some times two a day. I can't believe you left out the Partagas Serie D No.4. That and the H. Upmann Half Corona both blew my socks off. A friend was nice enough to send me some that were already two years old. I'm not risking an order though. That would be some major coin to lose in customs or to get fakes.

I also think the Man O' War Puro Authentico Maduro would be a good candidate for extraction. The Perdomo Champagne Noir would be as well. The issues with those would be their consistency. Perdomo puts out tasty sticks but the consistency of construction and flavor are a little spotty. The Diesel Unlimited Maduro is another good stick at a low price that might make for a good extraction if it was aged a bit before maceration.

There are a lot of good sticks out there at decent prices.

 

[Vapenstein]

I can't believe you left out the Partagas Serie D No.4.

Not a Partagas fan. On paper I should like them, but I don't. I'm happy with SLR, RA, Punch, Cohiba, Trinidad, ERdM, and SCdLH.

 

[MikeNice81]

Not a Partagas fan. On paper I should like them, but I don't. I'm happy with SLR, RA, Punch, Cohiba, Trinidad, ERdM, and SCdLH.

So, it is about the same as me and RA. I just haven't had one that was more than okay. Like vaping certain things just don't hit certain palates.

I wonder if anybody has actually tried extracting a Habanos for our purposes. I wonder if a juice made outside of the US would be illegal to import.

 

[Vapenstein]

I wonder if anybody has actually tried extracting a Habanos for our purposes. I wonder if a juice made outside of the US would be illegal to import.

I wouldn't hold any hope for a Habano extraction. You can't recreate the complexity and subtlety that Habanos offer without flame. My feeling is that your best chance for cigar extractions with any depth come from Nicaraguans, whose big flavors have a better chance at translating in an extract.

 

[AnthonyB]

I've been using sub-tanks and KV4's at .5 - 1 ohm exclusively for the past 10 days. Almost all of my NET's taste different and better for the most part. I can pick up the subtleties and tobacco notes much better. It's great going back to some of the NET's I gave up on, only to find them a lot better than I originally thought.

I've always used Kanger products but after watching Phil and Dimitri's video of the Kanger factory and using their Subtanks, I have a fan-boy attitude going.

I use the Kayfun 4's with the ICig sub-ohm kit and nickel wire with a DNA40 with .18 ohm 420F settings.. Very nice but not better than the Kanger Sub-tanks. Maybe equal but the Kanger is a lot easier to set up and use. The coils can be re-wicked in place or rebuilt in total very easily.

Today I'm trying the Kanger dripping coil. Charlemagne, Mellow Mack, Burma Road and several cigar juices I previously gave up on are in the Que.

I was really impressed with MacBaren's Danish Burley. Best Burley vape I've experienced hands down. Subtanks .8 ohm at 22W. Burley heaven.

I wish I could vape some of my older liquids in a sub ohm coil but being 12-18 mg I would get nicced up pretty quickly.

The only juices I have which I can, and have vaped at the lower end of the ohm spectrum are the remaining extracts you sent me a little over 12 months ago. I have mixed a couple of bottles at 4-5 mg Nic and allowed them to steep for 9-10 days. I have been vaping your Carolina ribbon cut (I think it's Carolina.) in my magma with a 0.9 ohm coil at about 13 watts. Very nice indeed at this wattage and Nic level.


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[AnthonyB]

So, it is about the same as me and RA. I just haven't had one that was more than okay. Like vaping certain things just don't hit certain palates.

I wonder if anybody has actually tried extracting a Habanos for our purposes. I wonder if a juice made outside of the US would be illegal to import.

I have extracted a few Cohiba Siglio II's.

Initially they tasted a bit dull but I expected that. There could be more than a solitary reason for my extracts of cohibas not turning out as I expected in my pre steep sampling. Those reasons include my limited experience of extracting, the potential age of the cigars given I picked them up duty free at the airport and the characteristics of the cigar may not lend this particular cigar to a good extraction.

At that time I smoked a couple and they were strong and ashy, more suited for a seasoned and adjusted cigar smoker.

The extracts have now been steeping for 5 months and I haven't revisited them in about 3 or 4 months. I think it's time I did. I made enough extract to share some but if they don't turn out to be good I don't see any point. The NET community has been spoilt by some very good home made NETs and my mediocre offering would likely end up in the back of the liquid inventory.

Now that you've brought this up I am keen to go back and try them again.



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[AnthonyB]

I wouldn't hold any hope for a Habano extraction. You can't recreate the complexity and subtlety that Habanos offer without flame. My feeling is that your best chance for cigar extractions with any depth come from Nicaraguans, whose big flavors have a better chance at translating in an extract.

I agree. One thing I've learnt in my tentative attempts to extract cigars is that price has little correlation to the quality of the extract.

Some $5 cigarillos could easily turn out a better extract than a $50 Cohiba.


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[checkum]

I agree. One thing I've learnt in my tentative attempts to extract cigars is that price has little correlation to the quality of the extract.

Some $5 cigarillos could easily turn out a better extract than a $50 Cohiba.


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your IPhone using Tapetalks spellchecker seems to be on the fritz, lol. "spoilt" "learnt" ??

 

[AnthonyB]

your IPhone using Tapetalks spellchecker seems to be on the fritz, lol. "spoilt" "learnt" ??

Bad grammar? I used spoilt and learnt intentionally? Should it be spoiled and learned? Maybe it's an Aussie thing ?


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[Dusty_D]

Bad grammar? I used spoilt and learnt intentionally? Should it be spoiled and learned? Maybe it's an Aussie thing ?


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British vs American English. Trips me up too. It's worse after having been on this side of the world for so long, I start to confuse myself and end up with a hodge podge of British and American English.

 

[rdsok]

MyVapeJuice.com Single Varietal Extracts

Using an Infinite Magma dripper at 1.6-1.7Ω… with 3 weeks of steep time... 70PG/30VG 6mg 20% extract

Havana 7 CT Broadleaf

At the lower power settings of about 15w, the initial inhale into the mouth… it’s a smooth but mild in strength flavored vape with a dark to medium dark robust flavor. During the inhale into the lungs the spicy bite is evident at the back of the throat. At power levels over 15w up to 20w, the flavor strength comes up nicely and a robust flavor starts to really become apparent. The spiciness makes for a really nice set of top notes that linger nicely in the mouth. Obviously makes a nice addition to a cigar blend.

Indonesian Bezuki

A classic Indonesian flavor that is complex, full and dark in flavor. It includes added flavor notes on the tongue similar to a spice but without the bite in the back of the throat. The power level doesn’t change the taste much but, the fullness and robustness of it does increase. Makes an obvious cigar blend that is rich, dark and luxurious.

Indonesian Sumatra

A classic Indonesian flavor that is complex, full and dark in flavor with a slight natural sweetness to it. It includes added flavor top notes on the tongue to a spice and has the bite in the back of the throat that is commonly found with spicy notes. The power level doesn’t change the taste much but, the fullness and robustness of it does increase. Makes an obvious cigar blend that is rich, dark and luxurious along with a bite from the included spicy notes.

Cameroon Seco

A cigar filler type of flavor with a smooth medium toned that is still full bodied… at lower power settings there is just a hint of a bite on the back of the throat which increases as the power increases… the flavor stayed consistent from 15w up to 20w without adding any other flavor notes to the taste. The fullness is most noticeable on inhale while the cigar flavor qualities show on exhale more.

Broadleaf

A cigar filler or wrapper type of flavor with a slightly earthy, slightly sweet medium tone that is medium bodied with a hint of bite in the back of the throat. The flavor is consistent at lower 15w to higher 20w power levels but does become richer with the higher levels. The flavor of the vape remains almost the same on both inhale and exhale.

Med CT Broadleaf

Compared to Broadleaf, this is a little more sweet and much smoother with no sign of bite in the back of the throat. This still has the slight earthiness that you also find in Broadleaf. The flavor remains consistent with the power level only becoming richer as the power increases. Inhale and exhale flavors also remain the same. As with Broadleaf this works well as a filler or wrapper for a cigar but the smoothness would also lend it to some unique pipe or ryo blends to bring them a medium full vape.

1LS Broadleaf

Compared to Med CT Broadleaf, this vape is earthy and deeper in flavor so it’s more of a medium dark flavor that is richer and fuller that has a natural sweetness to it. There is a slight spicy bite in the back of the throat that increases with the power level with a slight bite at about 15w and a little more pronounced one at around 20w. This lends itself more towards a wrapper cigar flavor.

Organic Canadian Virginia Flue Cured

A smooth mellow light medium flavored vape which has a natural light sweet taste with a higher medium tone. It’s also has a good body with just barely a hint of a brown grassy note way in the background. I found no hint of bite on the tongue or at the back of the throat. As I increased the power from 15w up to 20w… the overall vape just became bolder. Light and complex enough to stand on it’s own but also can be used in about any blend such as cigarettes, pipes and even hookah.

American Brightleaf Virginia Flue Cured

A mellow medium flavored vape with a natural light sweetness and a medium tone. The body is a light medium with a bit of a brown grassy note in the background. There is no bite on the tongue or back of the throat. Increasing the power from 15w to 20w increases the boldness a little but not a lot. A light flavored vape that can stand on it’s own or works well in a blend such as a cigarette, pipe or hookah.

American Brightleaf Virginia Flue Cured Sweet

A smooth mellow medium flavored vape with a natural sweetness and a medium tone. The body is a light medium with a bit of a brown grassy note in the background. There is no bite on the tongue or back of the throat. Increasing the power from 15w to 20w increases the boldness a little but not a lot but the sweetness comes up a bit. A light flavored vape that can stand on it’s own or works well in a blend such as a cigarette, pipe or hookah.

American Brightleaf Virginia Flue Cured Smooth

A very smooth mellow medium flavored vape with a natural light sweetness and a medium tone. The body is a light medium with a bit of a brown grassy note in the background. There is no bite on the tongue or back of the throat. Increasing the power from 15w to 20w increases the boldness a little but not a lot. A light flavored vape that can stand on it’s own or works well in a blend such as a cigarette, pipe or hookah.

Uncut Burley

A robust medium dark vape that brings with it a slight bite in the back of the throat. There is also a dark haylike floral flavor note that really brings some interest to this juice. Vapes well from 15w to 20w with little change. Works in every situation where a bit of a bassy note is needed in a cigarette, pipe, cigar any other vape.

Dark Air Cured Fronto

A smooth bold medium dark vape with a bit of a chocolate like flavor note to it and a hardly noticeable bite in the back of the throat. The boldness increases with the power from 15w-20w. Often used as a wrapper or grappa leaf for a cigar, I believe it smooth enough for other uses also.

Aged Burley

A smooth robust medium dark vape that is wonderfully aged earthy flavor. There is a slight bite at the back of the throat on inhale. The boldness increases nicely with the power from 15w-20w without being harsher. Commonly mixed with a Virginia tobacco in cigarettes to provide a bassy note flavor but works really well in cigars and pipe blends.

Dark Fire Cured

A bold dark vape with a full smokey flavor reminiscent of a woodsy campfire. This provides a nice bite on the tongue as well as the back of the throat. The smokiness increases with the power level going from 15w-20w. Typically used as a condiment within any tobacco mixture that a dark smoky flavor is desired.

 

[checkum]

British vs American English. Trips me up too. It's worse after having been on this side of the world for so long, I start to confuse myself and end up with a hodge podge of British and American English.

so true, just so used to American English.

 

[Johntodd]

MyVapeJuice.com Single Varietal Extracts

Using an Infinite Magma dripper at 1.6-1.7Ω… with 3 weeks of steep time... 60PG/40VG 6mg

Havana 7 CT Broadleaf ...

Nice! Thanks!

 

[rdsok]

I updated my previous post with the extract percentage and corrected the PG/VG ratios...

 

[boomerdude]

Glad your enjoying them. Anytime, just ask, my friend.

I wish I could vape some of my older liquids in a sub ohm coil but being 12-18 mg I would get nicced up pretty quickly.

The only juices I have which I can, and have vaped at the lower end of the ohm spectrum are the remaining extracts you sent me a little over 12 months ago. I have mixed a couple of bottles at 4-5 mg Nic and allowed them to steep for 9-10 days. I have been vaping your Carolina ribbon cut (I think it's Carolina.) in my magma with a 0.9 ohm coil at about 13 watts. Very nice indeed at this wattage and Nic level.


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