Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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That's what I am thinking. The cold Mac windowsill extractions seemed to be the worst of the bunch.
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But "windowsill extraction" is a very cool name.
You really must try the nuclear power burning extraction.
No steeping required !
You really must try the nuclear power burning extraction.
No steeping required !
I have tried my pueblo burley today. No steeping needed, only one week. I am wondering. Its great ! Burley is a interesting taste because it has not much sugars as my other rolling tobaccos. Its strong at 10% reduced ethanol extract. Wow...
Maybe try boosting the extract ratio to 15-20%. Don't give up on them until you have tried several mixing ratios.
Why ? I am very satisfied with the rolling tobaccos at 10 percents. 10 percents is a lot because all extracts are made by hot ethanol with reducing factor 4. A 30 gramm tobacco package is producing only 20-30 ml extract.
A few months ago i have made my first extractions with over 20 expensive pipe tobaccos, each at 10, 15 and 20 percent and nothing was good, only the turkish. Anthony would say "lifeless".
Perhaps its my personal taste that i prefer rolling tobaccos. They are stronger and have the kind of smokiness a little bit like real cigarettes. Its not the same but all of them have more smokiness as the pipe tobaccos that i have tried.
I have 9 new rolling tobacco extracts in the freezer and than i get a package from leafsonly. This will be my next experience.
A few months ago i have made my first extractions with over 20 expensive pipe tobaccos, each at 10, 15 and 20 percent and nothing was good, only the turkish. Anthony would say "lifeless".
Perhaps its my personal taste that i prefer rolling tobaccos. They are stronger and have the kind of smokiness a little bit like real cigarettes. Its not the same but all of them have more smokiness as the pipe tobaccos that i have tried.
I have 9 new rolling tobacco extracts in the freezer and than i get a package from leafsonly. This will be my next experience.
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So, the promised follow up on the RBFS Latakia.
This is the juice to finally nudge me from the land of the Tootle Puffer into the Mod Womper territory (I never spoke like this before joining this forum, like a foreign language...)
I built a single spaced coil at about 2.5 ohms in the Lemo and played around with the wattage. I finally settled in around 19 watts.
The initial experience was a bit overpowering. I attribute that to coil/wick "break-in".
Since then, I've found it to have a "rich" yet "neutral" tone. I'm still trying to figure out how those two characteristics go together.
The richness is the complex sensation one may find in other addictions, like coffee or chocolate, hard to describe, but most understand it. The neutrality, I suspect comes from the fact that this is one of the few "pure" tobacco's I've tried, aka no foreign tones, like rum or vanilla etc.
I remember decades ago, my parents' landlord was a pipe smoker and he allowed me to sample a latakia in a pipe that turned me green. A memorable flavor that I immediately recognized when first sniffing this opened bottle.
I think I could enjoy this as an ADV. Satisfying and unobtrusive. At just over twice my normal vaping wattage, of course, the juice is disappearing at twice the normal rate.
Did anyone find this RBFS guy yet? I may have to post a bounty....
Jay
This is the juice to finally nudge me from the land of the Tootle Puffer into the Mod Womper territory (I never spoke like this before joining this forum, like a foreign language...)
I built a single spaced coil at about 2.5 ohms in the Lemo and played around with the wattage. I finally settled in around 19 watts.
The initial experience was a bit overpowering. I attribute that to coil/wick "break-in".
Since then, I've found it to have a "rich" yet "neutral" tone. I'm still trying to figure out how those two characteristics go together.
The richness is the complex sensation one may find in other addictions, like coffee or chocolate, hard to describe, but most understand it. The neutrality, I suspect comes from the fact that this is one of the few "pure" tobacco's I've tried, aka no foreign tones, like rum or vanilla etc.
I remember decades ago, my parents' landlord was a pipe smoker and he allowed me to sample a latakia in a pipe that turned me green. A memorable flavor that I immediately recognized when first sniffing this opened bottle.
I think I could enjoy this as an ADV. Satisfying and unobtrusive. At just over twice my normal vaping wattage, of course, the juice is disappearing at twice the normal rate.
Did anyone find this RBFS guy yet? I may have to post a bounty....
Jay
I do not get it either. He goes through all the trials and troubles to start a business, succeeds and then gives up when a distributor backs out! The kicker is many folks still want his product!!
Oh well, what do I know..........
Who knows the story? Maybe the distributor bailed because he was quitting. Maybe there were health problem or family issues. Maybe it just wasn't that profitable. Let's not assume we know his motivation. Stuff happens.
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you are absolutely right. there can be any number of things that are going on or went on. still there is the page that says "website coming soon," and yet nothing, nada for months!
that is what I don't get.....
I am looking for something to kill the sweetness of pg and vg or which has a very bitter taste referring to the bitter biting taste of a real cigarette.
I only know the following possibilites:
1. bitter wizard - i am still trying, but seems not be the way
2. citic acid - havent tried
3. more nicotine - dont want more
4. more pg - okay, but still sweet
5. tobaccos with less sugars - will try some new ones, must learn more about tobaccos and the sugar content. Burley seems to be better as virginia for example
6. seperating the sugars from tobacco - i know only hot ethanol with freeze
filtering for seperating a few sugars, but still sweet
Have anyone found a working solution for the sweetness ?
I only know the following possibilites:
1. bitter wizard - i am still trying, but seems not be the way
2. citic acid - havent tried
3. more nicotine - dont want more
4. more pg - okay, but still sweet
5. tobaccos with less sugars - will try some new ones, must learn more about tobaccos and the sugar content. Burley seems to be better as virginia for example
6. seperating the sugars from tobacco - i know only hot ethanol with freeze
filtering for seperating a few sugars, but still sweet
Have anyone found a working solution for the sweetness ?
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Uh, just what brand of cigarettes did/do you smoke anyhow?
jonnydoe, you may want to try extracting from Cigars, I find them less sweet, and the Acid/ Drew Estates make tasty juices. My favorites are Kuba Kuba & Isa del Sol, the former compliments beer very well and the latter makes a good morning vape with my coffee.
I had one problem with my first windowsill extraction, once I sterilized my containers before use and used Vodka as my liquid, all my extractions have been fine... been brewing like this for two years without a problem. I also do a heat reduction of 70-80% after straining my extract, takes 2-3 hours @ 130-150 F.
I had one problem with my first windowsill extraction, once I sterilized my containers before use and used Vodka as my liquid, all my extractions have been fine... been brewing like this for two years without a problem. I also do a heat reduction of 70-80% after straining my extract, takes 2-3 hours @ 130-150 F.
American Spirit organic and pueblo white. Its only a little bitter taste, its typical for all cigarettes. The taste a smoker makes to spit, you know what i mean ?
Yes, thanks. I have extracted some but i am still waiting. I have some burleys from leafonly in my sous vide at the moment.
They are smelling like cigars too. Next weekend my acid blonde, my fire cured drew estate and some others are ready but i dont know how much time i have to invest for steeping the juice after mixing. It was a 96 hours hot pg extraction with 6 weeks steeping cold after this. If this will not be good, i give up extraction cigars.
Some Tobacco juices are good after a day of steeping, most all tobacco's get better with a longer steep. I usually mix a couple 5ml bottles and two 30 or 50 ml bottles, letting the bigger bottles steep a minimum of two weeks and vaping the smaller ones immediately.
Most times I let them steep 3-4 months since I have a large supply of NET juice ready to vape. I also use different mixing %, I mixed Kuba Kuba @ 5, 10, 15 & 20%, all enjoyable with different flavor profiles.
I'd suggest using a lower temperature on the hot steep, too high a temp. and you could be caramelizing the sugars and altering the flavor of the tobacco. That's a big reason I Cold Macerate, and use a low heat during reduction, hot enough to reduce my liquid, but cool enough not to burn my finger when inserted into the water for ~7-8 seconds... that's my thermometer.
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Cool thermometer. I have burleys in my sous vide at the moment and the temperature is 130° F. It could be your finger thermometer temperature but i dont know your fingers ? Anthonys temperature would be 400°F.
How long do you the pg extraction ? Do you have a real clock or are you looking in heaven waiting on a sign of Thor ?
Anthonys temperature would be 400°F.How long do you the pg extraction ? Do you have a real clock or are you looking in heaven waiting on a sign of Thor ?
I dont know what to think about caramelizing because i have found this temperatures for caramelizing at wikipedia:
Fructose 110 °C
Galactose 160 °C
Glucose 160 °C
Saccharose 160 °C
Maltose 180 °C
Could caramelizing happens under this temperatures ? These temperatures are only in our clearomizers but not at the extractions.
I think, that we havent much knowledgement of chemical or physical actions and have to learn more.
Fructose 110 °C
Galactose 160 °C
Glucose 160 °C
Saccharose 160 °C
Maltose 180 °C
Could caramelizing happens under this temperatures ? These temperatures are only in our clearomizers but not at the extractions.
I think, that we havent much knowledgement of chemical or physical actions and have to learn more.
Cool thermometer. I have burleys in my sous vide at the moment and the temperature is 130° F. It could be your finger thermometer temperature but i dont know your fingers ?
How long do you the pg extraction ? Do you have a real clock or are you looking in heaven waiting on a sign of Thor ?
I love my thermometer, it hasn't failed me yet. My extractions are done with Potato Vodka, once the extract has been reduced, I add a 50/50 mix of PG/VG as a preservative, equal to 1/2 of the reduced extract. 30ml of extract will get 15ml of the PG/VG, and that is my Flavor Extract, and I mix this between 10-20% for vape ready juice.
I macerate all my Tobacco's for 90 calendar days, that's my real clock... Thor has other things to worry about, I keep it fun and simple.
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Any heat will cook juice, doesn't have to be too high when it's going for 96 hours. I keep it simple and Cold Macerate with very few rules, trial & error has worked for me.
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