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Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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EtherVapes has a new Honey NET, and I hope to be awesome Raspberry NET online... Gonna try some Honey in a few when it gets here.. Love me some Honey 
Where do most set the wattage of their vaporizer when vaping nets? The reason I ask is I ordered a DNA30 Tube and just find out it has some limitation on the low end. I use a KFL at abot 1.4 ohms or an aerotank at 2 ohm. Both 9-10watts. I know a fresh battery can run 4.5 volts and the dna30 can handle anything below 7 watts, but I don't know if it has a low voltage limit. I should have looked into this further before I bought it but never hears of a limit on the low side.
I guess I am curious as to what wattage others smoke their nets at?
I guess I am curious as to what wattage others smoke their nets at?
I kind of disagree with this. I think you want the plunger to push all the way down and press out "the good stuff", just intuition but I like using my big stainless steel turkey injector. And really unless you are supplying a small amish community you don't need something the size of a French press
I went on your recommendation and ordered a sample pack from HHV (Dark Horse, Legend, Shadow, Dragons Fire). With names like those there has to be a chosen one! Analog from Gej is amazing but i am looking for something cleaner on coils. Do you think they will ever improve on that downside?
I kind of disagree with this. I think you want the plunger to push all the way down and press out "the good stuff", just intuition but I like using my big stainless steel turkey injector. And really unless you are supplying a small amish community you don't need something the size of a French press
Well, Bill has been knocking out home runs longer than some of us have been on this thread (myself included). So, I take his word for it working well. Plus, even if you're only using 3-4 ounces of the capacity it is worth it for the convenient press, pour, and done nature. You can put a 5 micron filter on there and get a good filtration without waiting for gravity to take it's sweet time.
Also, if you use the cheaper press it allows you to get even closer to the bottom. It also allows you to pass the extract through again for a double filtration at 5 microns. I'm still wondering if a 1 micron felt filter would work. It seems a bit unlikely without creating pressure issues. Too bad we can't all afford vacuum assisted filtration systems. Sub-micron filtering for the masses!
Carbon crusting on coils and wick gunking are more of a problem with NETs than with synthetic-flavored juices, especially NETs made with PG/VG macerated extracts. Sensitivity to these negative effects varies across the spectrum of NET vapers and vendors. Some people hate it; others don't mind much. The difference between MyVapeJuice's first- and second-generation NETs, especially in Diane's cigar line, was like night and day. She obviously devoted considerable effort to better filtering, with cleaner performance the result. On the other hand, Donley at Want2Vape makes and sells some relatively famous NETs that, while praised for their flavor intensity, are notoriously hard on coils and wicks. Obviously, squeaky clean performance from his NETs is not high on Donley's list of concerns. GoodEJuice's NETs lean in that direction also.
Steam-distilled or alcohol-based extractions (using PGA/Everclear) yield cleaner performing extracts than PG-VG macerations, so Ahlusion and HHV NETs made with extracts from those processes are usually kinder to coils and wicks, but filtering still plays a major role. RBFS NETs are typically macerated extractions, as are MVJ's, but both brands of NETs are superior performers.
For those of us who are sensitive to the issue, the Holy Grail is full and authentic natural tobacco flavor with minimal coil-crusting and wick-gunking. As an avid home extractor, I've worked to improve both ends of the scale with my extracts.
For filtering, I began using Melitta-type cones and paper coffee filters for my macerated extractions, but I've now developed a superior filtering method using French Press carafes fitted with polyester felt pad filters that have a 5-micron pore size. (Typical paper coffee filters have a 15-30 micron pore size). Some home extractors have turned to lab-quality vacuum-filtering down to 2 microns. I'm happy with 5 microns, though, and feel no need to invest more in sophisticated and expensive equipment.
On the extraction side of the process, I've also begun experimenting with PGA-based cold macerations that not only yield cleaner-performing extracts, but also provide a different flavor experience. Rather than the potent impact of heat-assisted PG/VG macerations, PGA-based macerations produce extracts imbued with "open" and "expansive" flavors of greater subtlety. My initial reaction is to be delighted, but time will tell...
I'd forgotten all about those. Maybe the $1 per ml price tag helped me forget quickly lol. Sounds like you got a good deal with the sale though, I would have bit too if I was buying at the time.
Thanks for trying them and reporting on them! If the Turkish stands out, I'm willing to spend a bit more for a really good Turkish.
I don't think I've heard of Smug Juice, have they been mentioned in this thread yet? Can you give some more info on the flavor and performance of Hump and Branded?
EtherVapes has a new Honey NET, and I hope to be awesome Raspberry NET online... Gonna try some Honey in a few when it gets here.. Love me some Honey
Honey NET........ phphphphphphphphph
I'm excited about the Rasberry NET though!
Here's Vash's post from his thread about the 2 new NETs, and a 10% off sale today..
Both new NETs are on site and ready for sale !!!
El Dorado is our new Honey NET and Red Dawn is our fantastic one of a kind Raspberry NET
To celebrate these two new NETs we are offering 10% off all orders starting now until midnight tomorrow!
Use code NEW! during cart or check to get 10% off your order .
Both new NETs are on site and ready for sale !!!
El Dorado is our new Honey NET and Red Dawn is our fantastic one of a kind Raspberry NET
To celebrate these two new NETs we are offering 10% off all orders starting now until midnight tomorrow!
Use code NEW! during cart or check to get 10% off your order .
Should I hold off on this for now?! Also folks, I'd like to think that I read and catch up on every single post in here, however I don't think that happens as much as I would want it to.
Please PM me if there's something that requires my attention and I'll get to it post haste. Kthxbai!
Done! Have you seen the Smugglers Line? Sweet tobacco blended flavours. Hmmm!
Nope I didn't but I see it now after a search. Smuggler's Blues is something I'd want to try!
I'd like to resurrect this very funny post by Big Juicy in part one of this thread.....
"A somewhat epic vape night for me...at the very least one if the more memorable ones.
Ravyn - I...I...just don't know what to say. I read most of the thread, I asked around. This ain't unicorn milk...maybe dragon milk? This is obviously sufficiently steeped at this point. First scent and few puffs I got a berry element. Then it was clearly pushed back by that mystery funk Ravyn is famous for. The odd thing to me was that the mystery flavor bound and finished this juice. Was this by design? If this flavor was way out front pre-steep...say, like the Latakia spice element is in fresh DD...then I get how people were disgusted by this. Here it was blended somewhat. Then as I vaped it I didn't get the components at all but a whole one note, one flavor. What IS this. I know I have tasted not the parts but this exact flavor before. I was thinking it was decent, but not for me. I had a quick vision of my hippie days smoking something when we were out of weed...colored papers...what...vision disappeared. Then the bad thing came. I chain vaped it til I for sick and I simply couldn't place the taste. Burley and maybe a berry shisha? Is there some sandalwood or pachouli involved? Is the funk simply perique not playing nice with others? I was so close too. Then I got home and it compromised my Chinese food. I don't know if it shared an ingredient with orange chicken or if the orange chicken somehow activated what lingered on my palate, but it was not pleasant. I give up, I ain't taking another puff of this. Later I vaped some burley and then some latakias...and I don't know. All I know is that there is some Latakia in there. And I know they went for SOME taste that exists that I have had before and it was from my hippie days. F!!! I jut almost remembered again, but no....maybe. It was some kind of rolled smoke, from another country...oh ...., I got it just this minute AS I TYPE!!!!!!!!!! BIDI's!!!! He crap one smoke like 20 years ago. Ravyn is bidi's. I have blown my own mind.
Beedi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rest of my epic night later...I need to trip out now and then rest my circuits"
"A somewhat epic vape night for me...at the very least one if the more memorable ones.
Ravyn - I...I...just don't know what to say. I read most of the thread, I asked around. This ain't unicorn milk...maybe dragon milk? This is obviously sufficiently steeped at this point. First scent and few puffs I got a berry element. Then it was clearly pushed back by that mystery funk Ravyn is famous for. The odd thing to me was that the mystery flavor bound and finished this juice. Was this by design? If this flavor was way out front pre-steep...say, like the Latakia spice element is in fresh DD...then I get how people were disgusted by this. Here it was blended somewhat. Then as I vaped it I didn't get the components at all but a whole one note, one flavor. What IS this. I know I have tasted not the parts but this exact flavor before. I was thinking it was decent, but not for me. I had a quick vision of my hippie days smoking something when we were out of weed...colored papers...what...vision disappeared. Then the bad thing came. I chain vaped it til I for sick and I simply couldn't place the taste. Burley and maybe a berry shisha? Is there some sandalwood or pachouli involved? Is the funk simply perique not playing nice with others? I was so close too. Then I got home and it compromised my Chinese food. I don't know if it shared an ingredient with orange chicken or if the orange chicken somehow activated what lingered on my palate, but it was not pleasant. I give up, I ain't taking another puff of this. Later I vaped some burley and then some latakias...and I don't know. All I know is that there is some Latakia in there. And I know they went for SOME taste that exists that I have had before and it was from my hippie days. F!!! I jut almost remembered again, but no....maybe. It was some kind of rolled smoke, from another country...oh ...., I got it just this minute AS I TYPE!!!!!!!!!! BIDI's!!!! He crap one smoke like 20 years ago. Ravyn is bidi's. I have blown my own mind.
Beedi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rest of my epic night later...I need to trip out now and then rest my circuits"
Absolutely. I might have mentioned them a few times, but haven't seen much else about them on this thread either. They're a semi-local vendor to me (NJ-based). I was initially turned off by their smug slogan, "It's That Good," but after desperately seeking a Turkish replacement for NETcom's Sun-Cured, I decided to give them a shot and discovered that they really are pretty good.
Their site describes Hump as "more than just your usual Turkish blend. Hump is made with a rare exotic Oriental Yenidje tobacco leaf blended with Virginia flue cured and aged Burley tobaccos, for a unique Turkish blend tobacco flavor." That description is spot-on. I definitely taste the Yenidje in the blend. The juice is a pleasant ADV and pretty good analog replacement. It has a nice toasted tobacco taste and produces some pretty big clouds with minimal effort. Gunking isn't too bad and comes off easily with a quick rinse and dry burn.
B(r)anded is described as "a rugged American blend. The combination of Virginia flue cured and aged burley tobaccos give you a smooth robust flavor." However, I think there's a pinch of black cav in there that gives it a touch of sweetness. It's another pleasant ADV that produces huge clouds, but it's a little sweet for me to be an analog replacement. It's a little gunkier than Hump, but not too difficult to burn off. All-in-all, a really good juice though.
They're a little pricier than I'd like ($20 for 30ml at Jersey Devil Vapors), but I think it's a quality juice I don't mind paying a little extra for.
Thanks! I'm going to add Hump to my list of juices to buy. Going to keep an eye on that Smuggler's line too.
Yeah, I was about to write them off after seeing the price tag until I found the July 4th sale. I'll be trying the others this week (Turkish definitely next) and will post my thoughts.
Hi Johni,
I wasn't challenging you, just a heads up for the wary.
I did extensive reading on perique about a year ago. Everything from university papers to newspaper articles. So my information is at least a year old or more, but I have no reason to believe it has become inaccurate. I'm writing from memory as my hard-drive crashed and burned (literally) since the time of my research.
I'm going to use a bullet format, not to appear authoritative, but in an attempt to avoid charges of violating the "Marcel Proust Clause."
1. As I think almost everyone knows, perique, the Real McCoy, is a process of pressing and aging of tobacco (Burley) grown in the specific 16 sq mile area of St. James Parish, La. If the perique isn't made exclusively of St. James Parish grown tobacco and pressed and aged according to the historic process, it isn't the Real McCoy.
2. L. A. Poche Perique Tobacco Co. has cornered the market and contracted to buy all tobacco grown in St. James Parish with one exception. That one farmer sells his tobacco exclusively to American Spirits which uses it in their black label offering. I was never able to determine who actually performs the pressing and aging process of the A.S. tobacco. Not important.
3. According to one article, quoting Mark Ryan, owner of L. A. Poche, the only sales of unadulterated casks of St. James Parish grown tobacco are to an European (German?) wholesaler. All other sales are casks containing a mixture of St. James Parish grown Burley and Burley grown elsewhere (Kentucky?). This is due to the demand for year to year consistency of the product by the tobacconist retailers.
Edit: I did some quick research and I was "reasonable accurate" in my recall for points 1 thru 3 so I'll leave them un-edited, but I cannot find any support for point 4. so I have deleted it. However, if anyone has a link to a credible source identifying any rogue manufacturers of perique that are in the market, please let me know.
New Edit: It's not the quote I was looking for but it does have some bearing on my deleted point #4 regrding faux periques.: From a Chicago Herald-Tribune 2005 article:
"Nichols, who now owns River Road Tobacco Co. and makes a perique pipe tobacco called Jewel of St. James, estimates that more than 90 percent of what is now sold as perique isn't from Louisiana.
"The industry is trying to redefine perique as any fermented tobacco," Nichols said. "I think it should be judged like wine. Champagne can only be called that if it comes from a certain area of France. Perique should be called that only if it comes from St. James Parish.' "
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20050830/NEWS/508300458?p=1&tc=pg
That is why I said, technically yes, but kinda not, and I'll add: maybe no.
I guess if you have found a perique that you enjoy, what difference does it make? (apologies to Hillary)
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